Engineer and proud?
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DieselJohn said:
ferrisbueller said:
DieselJohn said:
littlegreenfairy said:
I wouldn't ever be proud to say I'm a Materials Engineer after coming across some of the most insensitive bastards in the training of the profession.
Surely rather than insensitive you mean inert?
Erm, anyway...
I am now an Aeronautical Engineer, officially the snobbiest branch of engineering.
Contract at RR?
Staff!
Yikes. Welcome to the world of paid holidays and sick
On the pay topic, I have a theory that engineering pay, on the whole, is no worse than any other profession it is just biased by the fact that there are hardly any engineers in London.
I think an Engineer in Nottingham probably earns the same as an equivalent accountant or solicitor in Nottingham there are just no big-city megabucks types pulling the average up.
Just a thought, I've got no evidence.
I think an Engineer in Nottingham probably earns the same as an equivalent accountant or solicitor in Nottingham there are just no big-city megabucks types pulling the average up.
Just a thought, I've got no evidence.
tallbloke said:
Is the title of this thread 'Engineer and proud' or '*Professional* engineer' and proud??
Is someone who has done a 4 year apprenticeship and onc AND hnc quallies at poly and who has years of experience not an engineer because they don't have 'professional' qualifications? This sort of snobbery is what has caused the under valuation of engineering in this country in general. It's bad enough other professions looking down on engineering without 'professional' engineers sneering at those who chose the craft path to engineering expertise.
The testbed engineers at the works where I machined 5 tonne pump casings and nuclear plant coolant circulating pumps may beg to differ with you about testing not being real enggineering by the way.
Is someone who has done a 4 year apprenticeship and onc AND hnc quallies at poly and who has years of experience not an engineer because they don't have 'professional' qualifications? This sort of snobbery is what has caused the under valuation of engineering in this country in general. It's bad enough other professions looking down on engineering without 'professional' engineers sneering at those who chose the craft path to engineering expertise.
The testbed engineers at the works where I machined 5 tonne pump casings and nuclear plant coolant circulating pumps may beg to differ with you about testing not being real enggineering by the way.
TB - IIRC you can still get fully qualified (Chartered) by starting with an apprenticeship / HNC .... and then do the professioanl exams etc. ( My Dad started as a draughtsman , then went to Uni. later on and then went through all the professional training and exams )... might depend on which field of Engineering though these days .... in Civil Engineering I think the rules may have changed a few years back to mean "degree only" .
One of the reasons that Engineering is under-rated as a profession is because *anyone* who works in the Engineering Industry can call themselves an "Engineer" ... whether qualified or not.
Contrast this with Law , Accountancy , Medicine , Dentistry and Architecture.... and the Engineering professions in the USA ,and the rest of Europe .... where AFAIK only fully-qualified Engineers hold the title "Engineer".... its not "snobbery" IMO.
Professional exams and qual's are (surely ) needed to protect the interest of customers and the general public .... and also act as a "license to practice"....... which is why Bridges , Dams , Structures etc. have to be designed and built(supervised) by fully qualified Engineers .... ( I guess the same applies to other fields of Engineering like aeronautical engineering too .. )
Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 25th October 20:38
DieselJohn said:
On the pay topic, I have a theory that engineering pay, on the whole, is no worse than any other profession it is just biased by the fact that there are hardly any engineers in London.
I think an Engineer in Nottingham probably earns the same as an equivalent accountant or solicitor in Nottingham there are just no big-city megabucks types pulling the average up.
Just a thought, I've got no evidence.
I think an Engineer in Nottingham probably earns the same as an equivalent accountant or solicitor in Nottingham there are just no big-city megabucks types pulling the average up.
Just a thought, I've got no evidence.
In the spirit of the debate, and also with no evidence, I'd say that's wrong.
wheeljack888 said:
Hi DJ
Better change your name then! Congratulations on the job, couldn't be tempted into smelly dagdags then?
I'm in London(ish) and my wage definitely sucks compared to my London mates. (But it is pretty good for engineering at my lowly level)
Cheers
Phil
Better change your name then! Congratulations on the job, couldn't be tempted into smelly dagdags then?
I'm in London(ish) and my wage definitely sucks compared to my London mates. (But it is pretty good for engineering at my lowly level)
Cheers
Phil
Cheers.
Location was the killer on staying in auto sadly. Have gone from knowing something to knowing nothing...
JetEngineJohn, sounds a bit gay n'est pas?
)DieselJohn said:
Cheers.
Location was the killer on staying in auto sadly. Have gone from knowing something to knowing nothing...
JetEngineJohn, sounds a bit gay n'est pas?
Location was the killer on staying in auto sadly. Have gone from knowing something to knowing nothing...
JetEngineJohn, sounds a bit gay n'est pas?
Totally understand the location thing, wouldn't mind moving back to the midlands at some point.
JetEngineJohn does sound gay, howabout something really nerdy like JP8John?
DieselJohn said:
wheeljack888 said:
Hi DJ
Better change your name then! Congratulations on the job, couldn't be tempted into smelly dagdags then?
I'm in London(ish) and my wage definitely sucks compared to my London mates. (But it is pretty good for engineering at my lowly level)
Cheers
Phil
Better change your name then! Congratulations on the job, couldn't be tempted into smelly dagdags then?
I'm in London(ish) and my wage definitely sucks compared to my London mates. (But it is pretty good for engineering at my lowly level)
Cheers
Phil
Cheers.
Location was the killer on staying in auto sadly. Have gone from knowing something to knowing nothing...
JetEngineJohn, sounds a bit gay n'est pas?
John, you working with Tessa, Lorn et al now?
Since I am having a meldrew evening I will add my 10p worth, in a kind of slightly of topic sort of way
"You buggers don't know your born! I am (was) a scientist. I did 3 A levels (real ones mind, not the bollox they do these days), 4 (yes 4) years at university 3 years doing a PhD and a further 4 years doing post doctoral study (count it up) and at the end of it I was worth precisly the same a s F
ing London Tube driver!
As one of the previous posters said, they think that because you enjoy doing it they can pay you pork all. //meldrew// its no wonder this country is in the innovation doldrums
I will forbid my children to study science.
I am out of it now though thank God and am now earning fractionally more that said tube driver
"You buggers don't know your born! I am (was) a scientist. I did 3 A levels (real ones mind, not the bollox they do these days), 4 (yes 4) years at university 3 years doing a PhD and a further 4 years doing post doctoral study (count it up) and at the end of it I was worth precisly the same a s F
ing London Tube driver! As one of the previous posters said, they think that because you enjoy doing it they can pay you pork all. //meldrew// its no wonder this country is in the innovation doldrums
I will forbid my children to study science.
I am out of it now though thank God and am now earning fractionally more that said tube driver
Edited by astacus on Thursday 26th October 00:51
astacus said:
Since I am having a meldrew evening I will add my 10p worth, in a kind of slightly of topic sort of way
"You buggers don't know your born! I am (was) a scientist. I did 3 A levels (real ones mind, not the bollox they do these days), 4 (yes 4) years at university 3 years doing a PhD and a further 4 years doing post doctoral study (count it up) and at the end of it I was worth precisly the same a s Fing London Tube driver!
As one of the previous posters said, they think that because you enjoy doing it they can pay you pork all. //meldrew// its no wonder this country is in the innovation doldrums
I will forbid my children to study science.
I am out of it now though thank God and am now earning fractionally more that said tube driver
"You buggers don't know your born! I am (was) a scientist. I did 3 A levels (real ones mind, not the bollox they do these days), 4 (yes 4) years at university 3 years doing a PhD and a further 4 years doing post doctoral study (count it up) and at the end of it I was worth precisly the same a s F
ing London Tube driver! As one of the previous posters said, they think that because you enjoy doing it they can pay you pork all. //meldrew// its no wonder this country is in the innovation doldrums
I will forbid my children to study science.
I am out of it now though thank God and am now earning fractionally more that said tube driver
Edited by astacus on Thursday 26th October 00:51
To counter that, with my first job I have just got today I have a VERY competitive salary compared to all my friends and their management type jobs! So I am not complaining at all with what I get paid as a graduate engineer!!!!!
GavinPearson said:
Well done bales.
Enjoy the moment, please report back on how rich you feel when you want to buy a house.
Enjoy the moment, please report back on how rich you feel when you want to buy a house.
Bloody hell there's no reason to get so serious I am only 22, you don't need to start going on about all that crap already, at least let me enjoy my success for a bit yet.
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