s1 160 / 111s - diferences

[MW666]

It's hard to find information on the s1 160 - how exzcly does it differ/improve on the 111s? is it more of a track car?

[Skyman]

This is quite helpful -

http://www.elises.co.uk/models/index.html

However, not all 111Ss are equal -

Edited by Skyman on Saturday 21st July 13:48

Edited by Skyman on Saturday 21st July 19:38

[twiggie]

Skyman that looks nice, I see the 170 on the side what have you had done to it.I have just got a 111S and was planning on sending to DVA for upgrades to the head and cams but on PTP they recommend filter, full system inc manifold, and sports cat for a good 170, what route have you gone.
Sorry to hijack 160 question but the link says it all.

Twiggy

[S Works]

Will be interesting to see what that makes on a rolling road. Got any previous printouts?

To the OP, the 111S is more 'everyday' biased, the 160 is a more hairy-arsed trackday special. Don't get me wrong you can live with it, but it's pretty lumpy low down. Once it gets on cam (above 3.5k) then it goes like stink.

I loved my Sport 160. If I ever go back to S1's again and have to chop the Honda in I'll get another one. 111S's are two a penny, the 160 has a bit more kudos IMHO [flame suit on].

[Hollywood Wheels]

The Sport 160 is a far, far better car, that's all you really need to know.....

[Skyman]

160 is great car...........but just make sure you get the inadequate original ECU set up remapped.

Edited by Skyman on Saturday 21st July 19:42

[twiggie]

I think the first 50 SVA cars had 160 bhp but the rest had 150 bhp but were still called the 160
111S make 143 bhp but somtimes a touch more and have a close ratio gearbox ideal for track use.I dont think the 160 has a close ratio box but someone may correct me on that.

sport range of elises started with the 135 sport then the 111S then the 160 sport without going into the specials these were the mainstream roadcar versions.
I thinks the 111S is best option as they have a really nice powerband and are easy to tune to around 175 bhp.
111s are more common than the 160 because they were so good, no lumpy running which put alot of people off the 160 IMHO

Twiggy

[Skyman]

Spec on the car is an absolutely mint, September 2000 (X) 111S on 6,000 miles, with (most of) the following from new -

Speedline Magnesium Corse alloys - painted Mustard Yellow
Willans 4 Point Harnesses
Lotus Motorsport Springs
Lotus Motorsport Dampers
Momo Q/R Wheel
Body coloured interior door trims
Carpet Mats
160 style raised spoiler
Front mouth surround in Mustard Yellow
Bell & Colvill fitted Sprint 170BHP VVC Package (by Minister)
Different Camshafts
Vernier Pulleys
Gas Flowed and Ported Head
Stronger Valve Springs
High Grade NGK Plugs
High Performance Fuel Regulator
Green Air Filter with Minister cold air box
Improved Head Gasket
Bell and Colvill stainless rear exhaust box or Janspeed (both supplied)
Hard top
Yoko A038's

No, I have no r/r figures, but have no reason to doubt. I have been used to an Exige S which, whilst no Honda, is reasonably swift.

Edited by Skyman on Saturday 21st July 20:37

[twiggie]

Sounds like you have a friendly bank manager,
looking at DVA's website and PTP if there figures are correct yours should be more than 170, Dynos are not very accurate at the best of times so wouldn't prove exact figures anyway, good for back to back mods though.
I am planning something similar with mine but not quite sure were to spend the money, I would love to get175 without taking head off but not convinced by PTP's claims.

Twiggy

[Paul RN]

twiggie said:

I think the first 50 SVA cars had 160 bhp but the rest had 150 bhp but were still called the 160

WVTA 150bhp with standard dual airbox and exhaust, remove one of the airboxes (they used two to keep the noise down) and stick a sports exhaust and you get your 160.

[TheYeti]

Skyman said:

This is quite helpful -

http://www.elises.co.uk/models/index.html

However, not all 111Ss are equal -

Edited by Skyman on Saturday 21st July 13:48

Edited by Skyman on Saturday 21st July 19:38

Now, as I don't really like mods on cars, I am suprised at myself for saying this.........

but..........

Bloody hell!!! THAT looks stunning! I NEVER thought I would say that green and yellow would look good, but that looks utterly, utterly the mutts nuts! I am very, very impressed and very, very jealous.......

Nice one Skyman. You have a gem there. Gorgeous......

[Skyman]

Glad you like.

[twiggie]

WVTA 150bhp with standard dual airbox and exhaust, remove one of the airboxes (they used two to keep the noise down) and stick a sports exhaust and you get your 160.
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Agreed ! but all elises benefit from mods, stick a janspeed on a standard elise and you will probably find another 10 BHP, so my 111S really has 153 BHP then

Twiggy

[Paul RN]

twiggie said:

WVTA 150bhp with standard dual airbox and exhaust, remove one of the airboxes (they used two to keep the noise down) and stick a sports exhaust and you get your 160.

Agreed ! but all elises benefit from mods, stick a janspeed on a standard elise and you will probably find another 10 BHP, so my 111S really has 153 BHP then

Twiggy

I beleive you could buy a WVTA with the full 160 from Lotus if you wanted it in full track spec. Pretty much like the 177/190 on Exiges just they didn't name the models 190 I guess!

[Paul RN]

Paul RN said:

twiggie said:

WVTA 150bhp with standard dual airbox and exhaust, remove one of the airboxes (they used two to keep the noise down) and stick a sports exhaust and you get your 160.

Agreed ! but all elises benefit from mods, stick a janspeed on a standard elise and you will probably find another 10 BHP, so my 111S really has 153 BHP then

Twiggy

I beleive you could buy a WVTA with the full 160 from Lotus if you wanted it in full track spec. Pretty much like the 177/190 on Exiges just they didn't name the models 190 I guess!

[toxic frog]

having owned a S1 111S and then a S1 S160... they are just soooooooooooooooooooooo different in the way they feel... ideally you need both!

the s160 requires more perserverence & committment than the 111s... can't think of a better way to put it than that really

[S Works]

Well having had PaulRN's 160 for a year before him (without any engine fettling of the cam timing etc. at all) I can, hand-on-heart, say that I didn't find the map on there that bothersome at all. It ran like a dream, only being a bit temperamental on the odd cold wet morning when it would require a little throttle to get going. Other than that it went like stink.

As for the RR comment, they may not be 100% correct but they will give a good indication if properly set-up. I don't think anyone doubts that somewhere like Emerald isn't pretty good at what they do. If you want greater accuracy you need to get to a dyno which bolts to the hubs (like the one at Abbey Motorsport where I had my car checked).

The reason I asked Skyman was that the B&C conversions don't generally make the BHP people might think they should. The B&C 160 kit for instance generally only returns around 140BHP.

Paul's 160 was RR'd the year before I bought it and measured 158BHP - pretty good for a sheddy Friday afternoon map.

[S Works]

P.S. 111S's are the boring, sensible choice: every man-Jack and his dog have got one. If you're a Liberal Democrat, you'll get a 111S. SEOT.

Edited by S Works on Saturday 21st July 23:47

[Skyman]

S Works said:

P.S. 111S's are the boring, sensible choice: every man-Jack and his dog have got one. If you're a Liberal Democrat, you'll get a 111S. SEOT.

Edited by S Works on Saturday 21st July 23:47

[Skyman]

This sounds good (despite being a 160) - shame no picture or mileage details.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/206924.htm

Edited by Skyman on Sunday 22 July 12:23