questions on reliability
Discussion
Well well. Thanks to the "Ostrich's" for their comments along the lines of "don't think about it just do it" and "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the Tuscan".
Thanks for the considered responses from others, especially justinp1 and yzf1070. The advice of adding £5k to the price and banking it until the engine needs it is good.
What time and where exactly is this S6 presentation in Middle Wallop that you speak of yz?
BTW, the only reason for swapping Griff 500 for a Tuscan is the jaw dropping looks of the Tusc. The Griff 500 of course has all other attributes one wants from a car, including beautiful classical lines, oh, and an engine that you can fix yourself (which I do mostly).
All the best.
Thanks for the considered responses from others, especially justinp1 and yzf1070. The advice of adding £5k to the price and banking it until the engine needs it is good.
What time and where exactly is this S6 presentation in Middle Wallop that you speak of yz?
BTW, the only reason for swapping Griff 500 for a Tuscan is the jaw dropping looks of the Tusc. The Griff 500 of course has all other attributes one wants from a car, including beautiful classical lines, oh, and an engine that you can fix yourself (which I do mostly).
All the best.
Good luck with it and hope that you will join the Tuscaneers. I felt almost sick with nerves when parting with a very good, nice, reliable Chimaera to get the Tuscan. But 3 years on, I am still happy with that decision. Saying that, I really did love my Chimaera. It was a great car and will always be special as it was my first TVR. Hope you don't find it too hard to part with the Griffith.
The Al Melling S6 meeting thread can be found at: www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=189363&f=13&h=0
The Al Melling S6 meeting thread can be found at: www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=189363&f=13&h=0
It is always best to go into these things with our eyes open, and soaking up all of the advice we can to help us decide. The only fly in the ointment with that is, we don't buy these (9.9 times out of 10) great cars using our heads, do we? Otherwise we wouldn't buy them at all! 
If you really want one, you are doing the best thing you can, asking people who know, although, as it has been stated many a time before, a lot of contributers only contribute when something goes wrong, which is fair enough, but bear in mind there will always be a fair amount of bias from both sides.
I (and many, many others) had the same thoughts as you before giving up our V8 cars; from my personal point of view, the Tam puts a bigger smile on my face, hard driving and slow, than the Chim ever did, so much so , in fact, that my car's done 20K miles without any real problems, (less problems than the Chim, in fact!), and if the engine did go, I wouldnt moan too much, as the fun I've had in the car for the past year and a half has been priceless. I have set aside a few quid in case, but the car just gets better and better!
Oh yes, and I really do think the Tuscan is one of the best looking and dramatic cars in the world, it was such a painful choice for me between that and the Tam!
If you really want one, you are doing the best thing you can, asking people who know, although, as it has been stated many a time before, a lot of contributers only contribute when something goes wrong, which is fair enough, but bear in mind there will always be a fair amount of bias from both sides.
I (and many, many others) had the same thoughts as you before giving up our V8 cars; from my personal point of view, the Tam puts a bigger smile on my face, hard driving and slow, than the Chim ever did, so much so , in fact, that my car's done 20K miles without any real problems, (less problems than the Chim, in fact!), and if the engine did go, I wouldnt moan too much, as the fun I've had in the car for the past year and a half has been priceless. I have set aside a few quid in case, but the car just gets better and better!
Oh yes, and I really do think the Tuscan is one of the best looking and dramatic cars in the world, it was such a painful choice for me between that and the Tam!
chris watton said:
If you really want one, you are doing the best thing you can, asking people who know
I agree with that up to a point but I disagree that this is the place to do it.
If I had listened to the moaners and whingers on here I would never have bought one Tuscan, let alone two.
I would join the TOG on yahoo. I dont belong anymore (or at least I havent used it for about 2 years) but it was the best source of balanced information, good and bad, from people who actually owned and lived with the cars when i was deciding.
To be totally safe, I suggest doing what I have done. I reckon my Speed Six will need a 5k rebuild every 3 years or so. I just hope when my engine does eventually let go that it does so in the winter so I survive the 8 weeks or so sans TVR without going mad.
Yes it treat it with kid gloves, yes I warm it up properly, yes it gets a good thrashing when appropriate. Yes it is fantastic fun.
I see this kind of planning as the 'entry price' to Speed Six ownership. For those who won't pay it - fine. For those who can't pay it - sorry. For those who wish TVR fix the problem - join the queue, but don't hold your breath - these cars will be illegal long before then.
>> Edited by targarama on Wednesday 3rd August 14:28
Yes it treat it with kid gloves, yes I warm it up properly, yes it gets a good thrashing when appropriate. Yes it is fantastic fun.
I see this kind of planning as the 'entry price' to Speed Six ownership. For those who won't pay it - fine. For those who can't pay it - sorry. For those who wish TVR fix the problem - join the queue, but don't hold your breath - these cars will be illegal long before then.
>> Edited by targarama on Wednesday 3rd August 14:28
unrepentant said:
unrepentant said:
All TVR's are now powered by the S6.
You missed the word "new".
I'd love a Tuscan. But there's no way I'm going to buy something with a known, documented, 75-80% failure rate.
Then dont.
(But...... I've had two. They haven't failed,
Your innumeracy is your problem, not mine.
unrepentant said:
nor have lots of other peoples. So whilst you would "love" a Tuscan but are scared to buy one we're all out enjoying ours.)
"Scared" has got nothing to do with it. Why make life complicated?
This isn't to any particular person, so no whinging please.............
Set a budget, put the cost of a rebuild aside and buy a Tuscan with whatever is left. If there's not enough, save up some more or buy something else.
If your S6 concers are still too great, then don't consider buying one at all. Get something with proven V8 or whatever, and just pray that it doesn't get written of by some idiot driving into you or any other kind of expensive accident, as your 'super safe' engine will have spared you no pain whatsoever.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side, remember.
Set a budget, put the cost of a rebuild aside and buy a Tuscan with whatever is left. If there's not enough, save up some more or buy something else.
If your S6 concers are still too great, then don't consider buying one at all. Get something with proven V8 or whatever, and just pray that it doesn't get written of by some idiot driving into you or any other kind of expensive accident, as your 'super safe' engine will have spared you no pain whatsoever.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side, remember.
zumbruk said:
zumbruk said:
unrepentant said:
All TVR's are now powered by the S6.
You missed the word "new".
I'd love a Tuscan. But there's no way I'm going to buy something with a known, documented, 75-80% failure rate.
Then dont.
(But...... I've had two. They haven't failed,
Your innumeracy is your problem, not mine.
unrepentant said:
nor have lots of other peoples. So whilst you would "love" a Tuscan but are scared to buy one we're all out enjoying ours.)
"Scared" has got nothing to do with it. Why make life complicated?
Can you explain the innumeracy dig please? I dont understand it. Unless you are confusing THEN with THEY, in which case I would suggest that it is more a literacy problem, on your side.
(Last time I took a psychometric numerical critical reasoning test I was in the top 3%)
MarkoTVR said:
This isn't to any particular person, so no whinging please.............
Set a budget, put the cost of a rebuild aside and buy a Tuscan with whatever is left. If there's not enough, save up some more or buy something else.
If your S6 concers are still too great, then don't consider buying one at all. Get something with proven V8 or whatever, and just pray that it doesn't get written of by some idiot driving into you or any other kind of expensive accident, as your 'super safe' engine will have spared you no pain whatsoever.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side, remember.
But that could happen with any car...?
So i don't understand the point.
Choose a car with a V8 and maybe have an expensive accident
or
Choose a car with a suspect engine, and also maybe have an expensive accident.
It is a bit disconcerting to see that TVR power have an Nov 04 S6 car (6k miles) in for a rebuild)
So, i still think the jury is out, whetehr the 'earlier' car engine issues, issue is fixed or not.
Edited to add (rather do multiple posts)
So perversley, it might be worth avoiding the new mk 2's for a couple of years....
Getting a mk 1 REALLY cheap, and hoping the Autocraft/A J Melling route produces a rock solid engine.
Tempting
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>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 5th August 14:16
As you correctly said, something expensive could happen to any car....so what I was trying to say was objecting to a particular degree of cost isn't always a sound basis for rejection, as you might end up paying the same for 'something' else, 'somewhere' else.
There's a big thing about what MIGHT happen to an S6 engine that'll cost thousands to fix. But there's plenty that MIGHT happen to any car, including a TVR, that's not engine-related and will cost thousands, so when the time comes to part with the cash......in basic 'black and white' terms, what difference does it make, really? Perhaps I'm missing something, but a lot of the deliberation seems to be far more complicated than it need be.
I know what I mean, even if I am the only one!!
(Must be the Brummie accent.....)
It does seem like a good idea to try the 'cheap Tuscan, immediate TVR Craft/TVR Power rebuild' route, though.
>> Edited by MarkoTVR on Friday 5th August 14:36
>> Edited by MarkoTVR on Friday 5th August 14:41
There's a big thing about what MIGHT happen to an S6 engine that'll cost thousands to fix. But there's plenty that MIGHT happen to any car, including a TVR, that's not engine-related and will cost thousands, so when the time comes to part with the cash......in basic 'black and white' terms, what difference does it make, really? Perhaps I'm missing something, but a lot of the deliberation seems to be far more complicated than it need be.
I know what I mean, even if I am the only one!!
(Must be the Brummie accent.....) It does seem like a good idea to try the 'cheap Tuscan, immediate TVR Craft/TVR Power rebuild' route, though.
>> Edited by MarkoTVR on Friday 5th August 14:36
>> Edited by MarkoTVR on Friday 5th August 14:41
unrepentant said:
TVR now offer a full 3 year warranty on all cars.
It is not a full 3 year warranty - at least that is what I was told by my TVR dealer. When the new warranty was announced I thought I would look at buying one again thinking at least I won't have to fork out for endless repairs if it turns out to be a lemon - not true. I asked the dealer some straight questions and threw in a few examples at him, eg, if your speedo packs after a year or a seat splits it is down to you! There are a good few grey areas.
The good news is that if and when the S6 goes bang it will be covered which is obviously much better news for owners. I don't think for one second they have resolved the S6 issues, they have just included a free rebuild with each sale.
If I were NS and I had solved the S6 problems for good, there would not be a single person on the motoring planet that would not know exactly what I had done to achieve this by now. If he ended up forking out for some free rebuilds as a result, so what, he has paid millions for a company that soon won't be worth anything.
In his position there can only be one move to make now, you guessed it, move on to his next toy and buy a motorbike company - oh dear.
Peter Wheeler
could see this coming miles off, hence the sale. Forget the dealer, the following is from the manual..
General Warranty Coverage
The Company warrants each new motor car to be free of defects in material and workmanship for a period of 36 months/36,000 miles (whichever is the sooner) after delivery of the motor vehicle to the original owner. If any part or parts of a TVR car should prove defective within this prescribed period, and if such part of parts are submitted within 14 days to an authorised TVR distributor or dealer, the Company will cause such part or parts to be examined within a reasonable time and in the event of a fault due to defective workmanship or material being found the defective part or parts will be repaired or replaced without charge for the parts or labour involved with their replacement.
Spelling and abreviation as per TVR, not me.
This is the meat of the warranty. There are another eight sub-sections.
I would suggest anyone interested just get TVR to send a copy
General Warranty Coverage
The Company warrants each new motor car to be free of defects in material and workmanship for a period of 36 months/36,000 miles (whichever is the sooner) after delivery of the motor vehicle to the original owner. If any part or parts of a TVR car should prove defective within this prescribed period, and if such part of parts are submitted within 14 days to an authorised TVR distributor or dealer, the Company will cause such part or parts to be examined within a reasonable time and in the event of a fault due to defective workmanship or material being found the defective part or parts will be repaired or replaced without charge for the parts or labour involved with their replacement.
Spelling and abreviation as per TVR, not me.
This is the meat of the warranty. There are another eight sub-sections.
I would suggest anyone interested just get TVR to send a copy
lady topaz said:
Forget the dealer
Interesting advice - if it turns out that what the dealer has said is wrong then what hope do they have of selling cars to potential buyers. We are not talking small dealer here and more than one person said it.
They should be mailing me a warranty sheet from the factory confirming what they said tomorrow, should make interesting reading.
Ribol said:
Forget the dealer
Interesting advice - if it turns out that what the dealer has said is wrong then what hope do they have of selling cars to potential buyers. We are not talking small dealer here and more than one person said it.
They should be mailing me a warranty sheet from the factory confirming what they said tomorrow, should make interesting reading.
They were probably just humouring you Ribol, perhaps hoping to hasten your departure from their premises. "Oh no sir, this isn't for you" - that sort of thing. You've made it obvious before that you have no intention of buying a S6 so why waste their time?
FYI the speedo went on my first Tuscan two months out of warrranty. Cost to me - Zero. That's what happens when you have a good relationship with your dealer.
Ribol said:
Forget the dealer
Interesting advice - if it turns out that what the dealer has said is wrong then what hope do they have of selling cars to potential buyers. We are not talking small dealer here and more than one person said it.
They should be mailing me a warranty sheet from the factory confirming what they said tomorrow, should make interesting reading.
Hey,
Dont shoot the messenger, what I quoted is word for word what TVR have written and supplied with their new vehicles. Maybe your dealer just hasn't read it.
unrepentant said:
They were probably just humouring you Ribol, perhaps hoping to hasten your departure from their premises. "Oh no sir, this isn't for you" - that sort of thing. You've made it obvious before that you have no intention of buying a S6 so why waste their time?
Sadly you persist in trying to convince the whole of PH that you are the only person who can afford to buy a new TVR. You are clearly lacking in something for you to feel the need to constantly do this, fair enough, at least it gives readers something to laugh at in between intelligent debates.
By the way for those of you who don't know, the Harry Enfield character "considerably richer that yooouu" was based on URT. Harry Enfield invented it when he also realised that URT is the only person who can afford to buy a new TVR.
I have always said I will buy a car when it suits me(not you), one of my requirements for spending £40k odd on a car is that it works most of the time. The other is that if it doesn't that I can get the matter resolved without spending months driving around in a Corsa, can't actually see anything wrong with that.
If TVR had more dumb@rses like you(please take personally, not aimed at any other owners) out there they would never have to get their act together, thankfully you are the only one I have spotted on here so far. The only way TVR will survive will be to provide a car that more people want, not one that is only bought by people with your mentality. Once again please let me make it clear this is not aimed at any other S6 drivers - just you.
On behalf of all future TVR buyers please let me thank you for developing my car for me at your inconvenience and at no cost to NS - well done.
lady topaz said:
Hey,
Dont shoot the messenger, what I quoted is word for word what TVR have written and supplied with their new vehicles. Maybe your dealer just hasn't read it.
Not at all, you are at the other end of the scale.
I thank you for all your efforts in keeping people informed with progress of your car, I am sure it is of great interested to anyone who has an interest in TVRs
Ribol said:
They were probably just humouring you Ribol, perhaps hoping to hasten your departure from their premises. "Oh no sir, this isn't for you" - that sort of thing. You've made it obvious before that you have no intention of buying a S6 so why waste their time?
Sadly you persist in trying to convince the whole of PH that you are the only person who can afford to buy a new TVR.
What utter cock you talk.
It's got nothing to do with cash. And for all you know I could be up to my eyes in debt to afford my car. Frankly its none of your business.
You've made it obvious ad nauseum that you dont like the S6 so why waste everybodys time whinging on about it.
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