Racing Green - buckets anyone?
Discussion
andyoleary said:
PS: Potential 4th option perhaps?.....bucket/cam with supercharger....mmmmm
I do NOT want to be tempted by those words anymore.... At least not for the first 5k miles after I get the engine (and car)
Going to see RG tomorrow, and then.. well... then I'll see if I will go SC from the beginning or not
Edited by PascalBuyens on Friday 5th September 18:18
Just by way of comparison folks, a standard engine rebuild to original spec costs around £5k (all inclusive, including VAT and labour)
I thought I would mention that to help people decide if ~£9k + labour + VAT adds up for them - it's a personal thing based on many variables as to whether it is or not.
I thought I would mention that to help people decide if ~£9k + labour + VAT adds up for them - it's a personal thing based on many variables as to whether it is or not.
JonRB said:
Just by way of comparison folks, a standard engine rebuild to original spec costs around £5k (all inclusive, including VAT and labour)
I thought I would mention that to help people decide if ~£9k + labour + VAT adds up for them - it's a personal thing based on many variables as to whether it is or not.
Yes, you're right. It's horses for courses. I thought I would mention that to help people decide if ~£9k + labour + VAT adds up for them - it's a personal thing based on many variables as to whether it is or not.
I'm opting for it as I intend to keep the Tamora, so I'm in it for the long haul. And don't forget that the £9k gets you the full high spec bucket engine complete with all the internal upgrades; nitrided crank, balancing,pistons, piston rings, high-spec lightened chains...the list goes on.
The additional power is a REALLY appreciated bonus, but this build should deal with all the reliability issues. And it looks like there is an extension to the warranty too.
I've thought long and hard about this, and it is a financial stretch, but I only want to go through this once. And if the rumour of a Supercharger proves to be true...
Quality is all about fitness for purpose, and for me that is about longevity, stability and a loss of the nervous nature of SP6 driving. And you really can't paint quality on afterwards.
Did you know that Racing Green have a special Operating Room as well? They can perform open-wallet surgery and in some cases a complete cashectomy.
They also have a special fridge for chilling your credit card in before use.
But it's ok, cos they do operate a drop-in centre for addicts too. And Chris makes a great cup of army tea that is not to be passed up.
They also have a special fridge for chilling your credit card in before use.
But it's ok, cos they do operate a drop-in centre for addicts too. And Chris makes a great cup of army tea that is not to be passed up.
Dicky said:
T40ORA said:
And if the rumour of a Supercharger proves to be true...
funny you should say that There's oil... and then there's a fire... I had the fire going, because I said to Martin when I spoke to him that they sold their first bucket type engine. Then, oh my... what a mistake, I promised Colin to come along today, after talking to him on the phone about a delivery date. Little did I know, I was getting a pot of oil to pour on the fire. But so far with the "poetry"... time to discuss a bit about it in motion
Arrived around 11 o'clock, and as usual when I visit England, someone decided to turn open the gates above again... Pissing it down, and I was about to drive a TVR after about 18 months again. But first things first, after my drive from Belgium a cup of coffee was more than welcome (btw, thanks Colin for making me a proper cup!). So, time for a chat then.
As you'd expect (what else did I come for, the bucket engine of course), we started talking about it, and it didn't take long before "Woody" joined, and joined in on our talks... But not after the power graph turned up. 392 bhp (well, 391.7 for the nitpickers), and just shy of 300 lb ft, but WOW, my remapped 525d hardly manages to get a better flat line throughout the rev range. Yes, there is still a "dip" (on paper) because the ECU hasn't been changed yet, but I'm sure that that'll be solved in two weeks time... Anyway, in the mean time, I could hear (or should I say NOT hear) the T350 being fired up... First thoughts: doesn't sound like a Speed Six at all, more like, dare I say it, a Bavarian Six-in-line... Idle is pretty steady, and no "whistling" sounds as I got used to in the Tuscan.
So, empty coffee, time to have a go in it. Given the choice between driving straight away, or being taken out first, I decide to go for the second option, as it will give me a better impression of just how fast it'll be... But still, there is a spoilsport called rain at play. Anyway, off we go...
As soon as the car gets forward, I can understand why the sports exhaust has been taken off. You don't hear a single rattle, squeak, whistle from under the bonnet, just a nice humming, and a lovely exhaust note. Few twists and turns later, having felt the engine go through the revs (not insanely high), even as a passenger, I'm convinced I made the right choice in saying I want this engine in my car. The power delivery is so smooth, even from "stationary" rpm, you just feel the engine pulling away...
So, a bit later, it's my turn... God, I feel like... a little child again. Right hand drive again, and hmm... the knowledge of 390hp at my disposal... I wonder if the smile on my face was noticed
So, off we go, a dab on the throttle, and the car just surges forward. Taking it easy, as I have to get used to sitting in the "wrong side" again... but as soon as we start to drive it just all comes back. 2nd gear, up the revs again, and just like driving "normal", I change up gears at around 3.5k, no WOT so far. Already we're at the end of the street. Right turn, up the gears again, 3rd gear, and I've got a bit of an opening... Down the foot goes, and ahem... Not wanting to be over enthusiast, I back off of the throttle, as I get a bit of wheelspin. Nice
Few twistie bits, unfortunately most of the time with a break/van in front of me, but I let the gap widen up a bit from time to time, just to catch them up in the blink of an eye... And it amazes me that the car's only noise seems to come from the exhaust. But one thing's "missing": the pops, bangs, cracks when you let the engine go on overrun. But hey, I didn't take it over 3.5k yet, as I said...
Then, on our way back the road opens up a bit, and I can finally "give her a go"... 3rd gear, 1400rpm, hit the loud pedal, we start to move forward, but... not the thump in the back I expected, but then again, I never had that in the Tuscan either... off to the better side of 3500rpm, and woow.... there it is All of a sudden the road turns 3ft smaller, as the car bites, and that Ford that just turned into the road all of a sudden becomes quite... big Back to "walking pace"... and hey... there's a few pops when downshifting
Then, few roundabouts to get back to RG, hit the accelerator every time, but it's too slippery to give her the full beans (and yes, maybe I did restrain a bit, the car not being mine). Anyway, last two bends, the road looks a bit drier, and there we go... 2nd, 3rd, down a gear again, and then, the final straight, up the revs, and oh my... Pulls like a train And then, well, I guess we drove too fast, because the drive's already over again 
So, for those in doubt: £8995 may sound a bit "steep" when you compare to the normal rebuilds, but if you look at what you get in return, let's put it this way: it's a hell of a lot for the money, and for those of you who have doubts the engine will be reliable: 391hp is just a start, and if you know that the engine is set up to, ahem, how would I say, "fulfill certain kind of rumours" (saying the compression ratio has been lowered a bit, should give a pretty good hint as to what kind of rumour I'm talking about), there is a lot more to come from this engine.
As for thé "Swordfish" car, well... Colin, Martin, "Woody", I'll settle with 420bhp for the run in, and 600 for the final config
Arrived around 11 o'clock, and as usual when I visit England, someone decided to turn open the gates above again... Pissing it down, and I was about to drive a TVR after about 18 months again. But first things first, after my drive from Belgium a cup of coffee was more than welcome (btw, thanks Colin for making me a proper cup!). So, time for a chat then.
As you'd expect (what else did I come for, the bucket engine of course), we started talking about it, and it didn't take long before "Woody" joined, and joined in on our talks... But not after the power graph turned up. 392 bhp (well, 391.7 for the nitpickers), and just shy of 300 lb ft, but WOW, my remapped 525d hardly manages to get a better flat line throughout the rev range. Yes, there is still a "dip" (on paper) because the ECU hasn't been changed yet, but I'm sure that that'll be solved in two weeks time... Anyway, in the mean time, I could hear (or should I say NOT hear) the T350 being fired up... First thoughts: doesn't sound like a Speed Six at all, more like, dare I say it, a Bavarian Six-in-line... Idle is pretty steady, and no "whistling" sounds as I got used to in the Tuscan.
So, empty coffee, time to have a go in it. Given the choice between driving straight away, or being taken out first, I decide to go for the second option, as it will give me a better impression of just how fast it'll be... But still, there is a spoilsport called rain at play. Anyway, off we go...
As soon as the car gets forward, I can understand why the sports exhaust has been taken off. You don't hear a single rattle, squeak, whistle from under the bonnet, just a nice humming, and a lovely exhaust note. Few twists and turns later, having felt the engine go through the revs (not insanely high), even as a passenger, I'm convinced I made the right choice in saying I want this engine in my car. The power delivery is so smooth, even from "stationary" rpm, you just feel the engine pulling away...
So, a bit later, it's my turn... God, I feel like... a little child again. Right hand drive again, and hmm... the knowledge of 390hp at my disposal... I wonder if the smile on my face was noticed
So, off we go, a dab on the throttle, and the car just surges forward. Taking it easy, as I have to get used to sitting in the "wrong side" again... but as soon as we start to drive it just all comes back. 2nd gear, up the revs again, and just like driving "normal", I change up gears at around 3.5k, no WOT so far. Already we're at the end of the street. Right turn, up the gears again, 3rd gear, and I've got a bit of an opening... Down the foot goes, and ahem... Not wanting to be over enthusiast, I back off of the throttle, as I get a bit of wheelspin. Nice
Few twistie bits, unfortunately most of the time with a break/van in front of me, but I let the gap widen up a bit from time to time, just to catch them up in the blink of an eye... And it amazes me that the car's only noise seems to come from the exhaust. But one thing's "missing": the pops, bangs, cracks when you let the engine go on overrun. But hey, I didn't take it over 3.5k yet, as I said...
Then, on our way back the road opens up a bit, and I can finally "give her a go"... 3rd gear, 1400rpm, hit the loud pedal, we start to move forward, but... not the thump in the back I expected, but then again, I never had that in the Tuscan either... off to the better side of 3500rpm, and woow.... there it is
All of a sudden the road turns 3ft smaller, as the car bites, and that Ford that just turned into the road all of a sudden becomes quite... big Back to "walking pace"... and hey... there's a few pops when downshifting Then, few roundabouts to get back to RG, hit the accelerator every time, but it's too slippery to give her the full beans (and yes, maybe I did restrain a bit, the car not being mine). Anyway, last two bends, the road looks a bit drier, and there we go... 2nd, 3rd, down a gear again, and then, the final straight, up the revs, and oh my... Pulls like a train
And then, well, I guess we drove too fast, because the drive's already over again So, for those in doubt: £8995 may sound a bit "steep" when you compare to the normal rebuilds, but if you look at what you get in return, let's put it this way: it's a hell of a lot for the money, and for those of you who have doubts the engine will be reliable: 391hp is just a start, and if you know that the engine is set up to, ahem, how would I say, "fulfill certain kind of rumours" (saying the compression ratio has been lowered a bit, should give a pretty good hint as to what kind of rumour I'm talking about), there is a lot more to come from this engine.
As for thé "Swordfish" car, well... Colin, Martin, "Woody", I'll settle with 420bhp for the run in, and 600 for the final config
PascalBuyens said:
T40ORA said:
Pascal, are you a member of the TVR Owners Club? Mandy wants someone to do a write up of the new engine. She's co-opted me but you seem much better qualified.
Member of the TVRCC in Belgium yes, but if you need someone to do a write up, anytime T40ORA said:
PascalBuyens said:
T40ORA said:
Pascal, are you a member of the TVR Owners Club? Mandy wants someone to do a write up of the new engine. She's co-opted me but you seem much better qualified.
Member of the TVRCC in Belgium yes, but if you need someone to do a write up, anytime S6 SFX said:
Dicky said:
T40ORA said:
And if the rumour of a Supercharger proves to be true...
funny you should say that S6 SFX said:
It's not like you can just bolt on a supercharger...but they'll know that.
No it's most certainly not and yes I am quite sure they will know that. But how many S6 owners currently dreaming will realise that. I would guess that RG will either do this as a just to prove they can project and perhaps hope to acheive a couple sales from the back of it. But if they aim to making it a core performance upgrade in their product line up, then I think they will find few customers that will participate. For those owners who would seriously like to, I suspect the cost will prove to be extremely prohibitive to the past majority. But then RG are not exactly new and will already have considered this. I do hope they go ahead with it tho. Be interesting to see which charger they opt for, centrifugal or positive. PascalBuyens said:
The supercharger I saw was a Rotrex C-Type ..... But I don't know if I'm supposed to mention this already?
BTW, think I'm one of those owners that WILL realise it... Hence why I opted for the lower compression ratio
Yep a centri blower, I reckon that a positive blower would create too much of a wheel spin issue off the line. I struggle with mine when it hits 3000 rpm, full throttle is a no no in 1st and 2nd.BTW, think I'm one of those owners that WILL realise it... Hence why I opted for the lower compression ratio
Edited by PascalBuyens on Sunday 7th September 11:17
Superb that man, good luck Pascal, go for it coz its electrifying.
But be prepared to budget for major mods, from trials and tribulations mine included:
Steel crank,
Serious cooling mods to the block and head (ended up being a new block and tig welded repairs to head... thanks Autocrap)
New shorter rods
Bespoke pistons (not just lower compression)
Bespoke exhaust valves and seats
Bespoke exhaust cam
Bespoke fuel supply system
Bigger injectors
New ECU
Wide band lambda and controller
EGT sensor
Knock sensors
Heavy duty gearbox
Strengthened modified prop shaft
Billet flywheel
Heavy duty race clutch and thrust bearing
Bespoke airbox and charge cooler (something Autocrap got right, well almost had to post modify front cooler rad tapping points).
modified intake
modified exhaust
Pre-lube oiler
loads and loads of hours on the dyno and then road hours using the ECU self learn application (RR mapping alone doesn't work out quite right for the real road)
And if you have no LSD then seriously consider getting one, the car gets sideways real easy and the LSD just helps to keep it together when you lift off a little using very slight steering out of the slide until it grips again. Great fun I urge you to go for it, just wish I was around in UK more often to use mine.
Shawn Smith will be out on track (likely next season). It's a Sagaris, green and it's definitely gonna be mean, on Corsa's, super powerful stoppers and a fatty behind the wheel it will be a hell of a job to catch....
Cheers
G
yzf1070 said:
PascalBuyens said:
The supercharger I saw was a Rotrex C-Type ..... But I don't know if I'm supposed to mention this already?
BTW, think I'm one of those owners that WILL realise it... Hence why I opted for the lower compression ratio
Yep a centri blower, I reckon that a positive blower would create too much of a wheel spin issue off the line. I struggle with mine when it hits 3000 rpm, full throttle is a no no in 1st and 2nd.BTW, think I'm one of those owners that WILL realise it... Hence why I opted for the lower compression ratio
Edited by PascalBuyens on Sunday 7th September 11:17
Superb that man, good luck Pascal, go for it coz its electrifying.
But be prepared to budget for major mods, from trials and tribulations mine included:
Steel crank,
Serious cooling mods to the block and head (ended up being a new block and tig welded repairs to head... thanks Autocrap)
New shorter rods
Bespoke pistons (not just lower compression)
Bespoke exhaust valves and seats
Bespoke exhaust cam
Bespoke fuel supply system
Bigger injectors
New ECU
Wide band lambda and controller
EGT sensor
Knock sensors
Heavy duty gearbox
Strengthened modified prop shaft
Billet flywheel
Heavy duty race clutch and thrust bearing
Bespoke airbox and charge cooler (something Autocrap got right, well almost had to post modify front cooler rad tapping points).
modified intake
modified exhaust
Pre-lube oiler
loads and loads of hours on the dyno and then road hours using the ECU self learn application (RR mapping alone doesn't work out quite right for the real road)
And if you have no LSD then seriously consider getting one, the car gets sideways real easy and the LSD just helps to keep it together when you lift off a little using very slight steering out of the slide until it grips again. Great fun I urge you to go for it, just wish I was around in UK more often to use mine.
Shawn Smith will be out on track (likely next season). It's a Sagaris, green and it's definitely gonna be mean, on Corsa's, super powerful stoppers and a fatty behind the wheel it will be a hell of a job to catch....
Cheers
G
Cannon
yzf1070 said:
PascalBuyens said:
The supercharger I saw was a Rotrex C-Type ..... But I don't know if I'm supposed to mention this already?
BTW, think I'm one of those owners that WILL realise it... Hence why I opted for the lower compression ratio
Yep a centri blower, I reckon that a positive blower would create too much of a wheel spin issue off the line. I struggle with mine when it hits 3000 rpm, full throttle is a no no in 1st and 2nd.BTW, think I'm one of those owners that WILL realise it... Hence why I opted for the lower compression ratio
Edited by PascalBuyens on Sunday 7th September 11:17
Superb that man, good luck Pascal, go for it coz its electrifying.
But be prepared to budget for major mods, from trials and tribulations mine included:
Steel crank,
Serious cooling mods to the block and head (ended up being a new block and tig welded repairs to head... thanks Autocrap)
New shorter rods
Bespoke pistons (not just lower compression)
Bespoke exhaust valves and seats
Bespoke exhaust cam
Bespoke fuel supply system
Bigger injectors
New ECU
Wide band lambda and controller
EGT sensor
Knock sensors
Heavy duty gearbox
Strengthened modified prop shaft
Billet flywheel
Heavy duty race clutch and thrust bearing
Bespoke airbox and charge cooler (something Autocrap got right, well almost had to post modify front cooler rad tapping points).
modified intake
modified exhaust
Pre-lube oiler
loads and loads of hours on the dyno and then road hours using the ECU self learn application (RR mapping alone doesn't work out quite right for the real road)
And if you have no LSD then seriously consider getting one, the car gets sideways real easy and the LSD just helps to keep it together when you lift off a little using very slight steering out of the slide until it grips again. Great fun I urge you to go for it, just wish I was around in UK more often to use mine.
Shawn Smith will be out on track (likely next season). It's a Sagaris, green and it's definitely gonna be mean, on Corsa's, super powerful stoppers and a fatty behind the wheel it will be a hell of a job to catch....
Cheers
G
To put it simple: the only thing not being built up again from scratch, with the SC in mind, will be the bodywork and interior, the whole drivetrain will be built op from scratch, with supercharging in mind... I want those 600bhp LOL
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