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Toltec said:
AndStilliRise said:
thebraketester said:
Shame they don't do a "noise cancelling" type system that mutes the road noise. Or do they?
Great idea!Like Fire engine sirens, ambulances, police cars, other cars etc alerting you to where they are
AndStilliRise said:
thebraketester said:
Shame they don't do a "noise cancelling" type system that mutes the road noise. Or do they?
Great idea!Because in car audio sounds better than home hifi?
I spent £1200 on sound deadening alone once (just materials). It is far easier to get good sound out of a small car than a large room.
I have spent quite a bit on ICE over 2 decades, including Morel Supremo tweeters, Genesis Class A or AB amps (Dual Mono, DMX, Monoblocks etc) at one point I was running said Morels off Miniblocks, so a single channel amp running a tweeter.
As for sub bass the whole car can be used as an enclosure.
I spent £1200 on sound deadening alone once (just materials). It is far easier to get good sound out of a small car than a large room.
I have spent quite a bit on ICE over 2 decades, including Morel Supremo tweeters, Genesis Class A or AB amps (Dual Mono, DMX, Monoblocks etc) at one point I was running said Morels off Miniblocks, so a single channel amp running a tweeter.
As for sub bass the whole car can be used as an enclosure.
twoblacklines said:
Because in car audio sounds better than home hifi?
I spent £1200 on sound deadening alone once (just materials). It is far easier to get good sound out of a small car than a large room.
I have spent quite a bit on ICE over 2 decades, including Morel Supremo tweeters, Genesis Class A or AB amps (Dual Mono, DMX, Monoblocks etc) at one point I was running said Morels off Miniblocks, so a single channel amp running a tweeter.
As for sub bass the whole car can be used as an enclosure.
A car is never going to give as pure an audio experience as a room.I spent £1200 on sound deadening alone once (just materials). It is far easier to get good sound out of a small car than a large room.
I have spent quite a bit on ICE over 2 decades, including Morel Supremo tweeters, Genesis Class A or AB amps (Dual Mono, DMX, Monoblocks etc) at one point I was running said Morels off Miniblocks, so a single channel amp running a tweeter.
As for sub bass the whole car can be used as an enclosure.
But 95% of the time it is about enjoying the music.
If you love it in the car .... go for it...
Troubleatmill said:
A car is never going to give as pure an audio experience as a room.
But 95% of the time it is about enjoying the music.
If you love it in the car .... go for it...
A pure audio experience? What is that exactly?But 95% of the time it is about enjoying the music.
If you love it in the car .... go for it...
If you mean a room that has had probably more money spent on surface treatment, then yes, probably.
If you mean the average room at home? Nada.
twoblacklines said:
Troubleatmill said:
A car is never going to give as pure an audio experience as a room.
But 95% of the time it is about enjoying the music.
If you love it in the car .... go for it...
A pure audio experience? What is that exactly?But 95% of the time it is about enjoying the music.
If you love it in the car .... go for it...
If you mean a room that has had probably more money spent on surface treatment, then yes, probably.
If you mean the average room at home? Nada.
£4K for a stereo is nothing - Samsung are looking to spend $8bn on the company that makes them for VAG, Toyota, Chrysler, Fiat, Mercedes, BMW....
Harman International is the company concerned. Samsung obviously see it as an expanding market with opportunities to
incorporate a lot more connected features into automotive infotainment. $8bn!!!
There is a lot of mark-up on the stereos, the cost of DSP is low and power amps can be rebadged as required. A one size fits all solution with suitable software tweaks, which alllows use of cheap drivers as well as ease of placement.
Harman have a lot of premium names in a lot of makers cars.
Harman International is the company concerned. Samsung obviously see it as an expanding market with opportunities to
incorporate a lot more connected features into automotive infotainment. $8bn!!!
There is a lot of mark-up on the stereos, the cost of DSP is low and power amps can be rebadged as required. A one size fits all solution with suitable software tweaks, which alllows use of cheap drivers as well as ease of placement.
Harman have a lot of premium names in a lot of makers cars.
No idea why you'd spend £4000 on a system for a car. I used to be very much into hi fi (Linn turntables and fiddling with expensive cartridges), but lost interest as the convenience of simply enjoying the music whenever it was convenient took over. I've still got a very simple system at home - speakers, power amp, DAC, digital source, and to be honest, I wouldn't want the car to sound like that because it would be far too distracting. Hi fi done decently grabs your attention.
The problem is that the car is just a poor environment for listening to music. Bad shape, wind noise, tyre noise, engine noise, oh, and 12v which is not ones first choice of power source. I know you can fix the environment with clever electronics, but that's the equivalent of adding a graphic equaliser to a decent system - it just sounds crap.
Spending a grand on a car system - sure. Most of what is thrown in at the factory is rubbish, so getting a decent base is a good start. Four grand for a bazillion speakers .... you'd laugh at that at home, so I'm not sure why it makes sense in a car. And lets face it, I don't bother with mp3s at the sort of bit rate that DAB puts out, they're junk before you even start on the reproduction.
The problem is that the car is just a poor environment for listening to music. Bad shape, wind noise, tyre noise, engine noise, oh, and 12v which is not ones first choice of power source. I know you can fix the environment with clever electronics, but that's the equivalent of adding a graphic equaliser to a decent system - it just sounds crap.
Spending a grand on a car system - sure. Most of what is thrown in at the factory is rubbish, so getting a decent base is a good start. Four grand for a bazillion speakers .... you'd laugh at that at home, so I'm not sure why it makes sense in a car. And lets face it, I don't bother with mp3s at the sort of bit rate that DAB puts out, they're junk before you even start on the reproduction.
rxe said:
And lets face it, I don't bother with mp3s at the sort of bit rate that DAB puts out, they're junk before you even start on the reproduction.
I don't normally bother with mp3s at all. Even in my car they sound noticeably worse than CDs. They just sound very bad if played through my home hifi - I only tried once and will never try again.I used to do lots of audio measurements for my job with some very expensive test equipment, so I have seen all sorts of measurements of audio generated from mp3 (or other older codecs). They make it quite obvious why mp3s don't sound so good, and once you know what to listen for, I don't think you can ever ignore it.
I seriously don't see how a car is a superior environment for hi-fi than a room. Surely the of owners of these bespoke rooms with million pound setups could have saved themselves a packet and just specced an Audi with a £10k hi-fi option?
Home = Hi-fi
Car = Exhaust/Induction
Two completely separate but equally enjoyable experiences.
Home = Hi-fi
Car = Exhaust/Induction
Two completely separate but equally enjoyable experiences.
With in car systems getting more and more extensive having an integrated system makes more and more sense. Yes you can buy better aftermarket systems, but do they fully integrate with the car, pause and mute when you receive a call, etc?
It's the same with satnavs, most of the time they are a poor substitute for Google Maps or Waze, but people expect that stuff to be seamlessly integrated into the car.
It's the same with satnavs, most of the time they are a poor substitute for Google Maps or Waze, but people expect that stuff to be seamlessly integrated into the car.
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