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I think IAM should be compulsory for anyone who uses a vehicle at work, for eg.
My other half is a very good driver, but she says that she prefers to drive at work because all of her colleagues are very poor at it, some verging on the dangerous. That's huge potential for accidents, and it could be improved so much by a simple, cheap couse paid for by the company....
My other half is a very good driver, but she says that she prefers to drive at work because all of her colleagues are very poor at it, some verging on the dangerous. That's huge potential for accidents, and it could be improved so much by a simple, cheap couse paid for by the company....
WeirdNeville said:
I think IAM should be compulsory for anyone who uses a vehicle at work, for eg.
My other half is a very good driver, but she says that she prefers to drive at work because all of her colleagues are very poor at it, some verging on the dangerous. That's huge potential for accidents, and it could be improved so much by a simple, cheap couse paid for by the company....
I'm not so sure about that. I think most of the people who currently do the IAM or RoSPA test do so out of choice, not coercion or compulsion. They must therefore have some level of openness to new ideas and desire to improve their driving. Much of the bad driving that happens is stuff that wouldn't be tolerated in the DSA test, yet people still do it. If the advanced tests were compulsory, maybe people would pass them but then revert to their old style. OK, they might pick up something worthwhile in the process, but I think something more fundamental about society's attitude to motoring has to change in order to get the improvements in driving standards and therefore road safety that we desire.My other half is a very good driver, but she says that she prefers to drive at work because all of her colleagues are very poor at it, some verging on the dangerous. That's huge potential for accidents, and it could be improved so much by a simple, cheap couse paid for by the company....
Edited by SamHH on Tuesday 18th December 22:28
WhoseGeneration said:
That the majority of PistonHeaders would look here and contribute.
They do not know what they might learn.
Especially if they they just signed up and undertook IAM training and the test.
Most of the discussion on here is about driving techniques and those topics are pretty exhaustively discussed. However, you are right that most PistonHeads don't seem to have much interest in the stuff we discuss on here. Topics bemoaning other people's bad driving seem far more popular. I guess maybe that even on a motoring enthusiats' website, people don't consider 'advanced' driving to be relevant to them. Really, there's nothing advanced about advanced driving, it's just about being good, or trying to get better at normal driving.They do not know what they might learn.
Especially if they they just signed up and undertook IAM training and the test.
It would be greatly interesting to know what people think advanced driving is, both on this forum and in the general public.
SamHH said:
However, you are right that most PistonHeads don't seem to have much interest in the stuff we discuss on here. Topics bemoaning other people's bad driving seem far more popular.
What like this one http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...or this one http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
or this one http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Bert
1950trevorP said:
I do not think there is any "them" and "us".
We are ALL idiots - it is only the amount of idiocy displayed that differs.
Yeah, I didn't intend for my comments to seem 'high-and-mighty'. I'm quite aware that my driving is rubbish, and that plenty of people who don't give a damn about 'advanced' driving have far better driving than me. However, I don't think it's wrong to say that there are lots of people who could be far safer drivers, but don't have any interest in becoming so, and that that's a bad thing. We are ALL idiots - it is only the amount of idiocy displayed that differs.
My remarks were certainly not meant as criticising any individual.
They are part of MY philosophy.
What use is crying "jokers to the left of me, clowns to the right"?
The only person you have influence over is yourself.
(OK - with the possible exception of being in a marked Traffic vehicle)
How can I improve? Attitude? For any here who have not yet read RoadCraft,
here is my intro to Chapter 1:-
http://drivingattitudes.blogspot.com/
Just relax? Courtesy to other road users? Formal or informal training?
What can do I about ME?
They are part of MY philosophy.
What use is crying "jokers to the left of me, clowns to the right"?
The only person you have influence over is yourself.
(OK - with the possible exception of being in a marked Traffic vehicle)
How can I improve? Attitude? For any here who have not yet read RoadCraft,
here is my intro to Chapter 1:-
http://drivingattitudes.blogspot.com/
Just relax? Courtesy to other road users? Formal or informal training?
What can do I about ME?
I will be interested to see the comments on this thread - I do actually pop in here from time to time - normally to read rather than post as there are people here with far more knowledge than I on the subject of driving. I would proffer one thought though on the subject of driving these days - it suffers the same problem as walking round the shops/getting on the train/walking to the office etc there is just no courtesy or consideration for others any more and people are more selfish.
Anyway off to sit back on the fence and watch!
Anyway off to sit back on the fence and watch!
I would take the IAM exams if the people ive met who have done them showed any benefit from it. Unfortunately to date all ive encountered have been overconfident underskilled people who seem to think the rules of the road dont apply to them 'because im an advanced driver, see'.
Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility
Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility
shouldbworking said:
I would take the IAM exams if the people ive met who have done them showed any benefit from it. Unfortunately to date all ive encountered have been overconfident underskilled people who seem to think the rules of the road dont apply to them 'because im an advanced driver, see'.
Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility
I havent really seen that tbh. To me, the key difference I see with Advanced Drivers is their interest and abilities at observation leading to planning.Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility
Unfortunately (referring to my tongue in cheek post just back the way), there can be a lot of noise that gets in the way. So on the rospa webby, in the test yourself section, Q2 is about the handbrake ratchet! What on earth is that doing there, in the quest for safer driving or even mnechanical sympathy it's just below irrelevent in importance.
Bert
shouldbworking said:
I would take the IAM exams if the people ive met who have done them showed any benefit from it. Unfortunately to date all ive encountered have been overconfident underskilled people who seem to think the rules of the road dont apply to them 'because im an advanced driver, see'.
Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility
It's up to you what you take from it. If there's something about the way in which those people were taught that's made them overconfident, then that's a bad thing. It could be however, that those people have a tendency to be overconfident. When I did the IAM test I didn't feel that there was any suggestion that the rules of the road don't apply to people who pass the test. Disparity between perceived ability and actual ability is something that can occur in any skill and can occur with or without training. As long as you are aware of the possibility, then I think it's avoidable and certainly should not be a reason to put you off doing advanced driving training if you are otherwise keen to do it.Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility
"I would take the IAM exams if the people ive met who have done them showed any benefit from it. Unfortunately to date all ive encountered have been overconfident underskilled people who seem to think the rules of the road dont apply to them 'because im an advanced driver, see'.
Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility"
Interesting comment...as an Observer, I carry some leaflets in my car and regularly hand them to any young so called 'Chavs' in Tesco carparks when I am shopping at weekends (our Group refunds the £70 fee)...never had anything but friendly questions from them in years.
Outside of my interest as an Observer, where I clearly meet people who are interested in advanced driving, where do you meet these... 'overconfident underskilled people'...are you confusing IAM with BSM perchance?
Or, am I doing something wrong?
BOF.
Id rather remain humble and retain my sense of non-invincibility"
Interesting comment...as an Observer, I carry some leaflets in my car and regularly hand them to any young so called 'Chavs' in Tesco carparks when I am shopping at weekends (our Group refunds the £70 fee)...never had anything but friendly questions from them in years.
Outside of my interest as an Observer, where I clearly meet people who are interested in advanced driving, where do you meet these... 'overconfident underskilled people'...are you confusing IAM with BSM perchance?
Or, am I doing something wrong?
BOF.
shouldbworking said:
I would take the IAM exams if the people ive met who have done them showed any benefit from it.
Unfortunately to date all ive encountered have been overconfident underskilled people who seem to think the rules of the road dont apply to them 'because im an advanced driver, see'.
Hmmm.Unfortunately to date all ive encountered have been overconfident underskilled people who seem to think the rules of the road dont apply to them 'because im an advanced driver, see'.
The old "I am not going to take the first step up the ladder -
because of other people's attitudes"
ploy?
i tried the IAM once. did about 4 weeks of 'training' then quit. doing what that 'instructor' called advanced driving was bloody scary. im sure other places are better but my view has been tainted by the crap that bloke talked & i want nothing to do with it now.
however i will do a bikesafe or maybe the other course suggested on here somewhere next year.
however i will do a bikesafe or maybe the other course suggested on here somewhere next year.
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