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Bert,
"So for example, I have been working with a coach on my track driving in prep for racing next year. I feel good about the process and the encouragement I get. So I feel inspired to do it. If he said to me the blunt reality...Bert, you are fat, mid-forties and you'll start off tooling around the back, but you will prob pick up pace as you go, I would feel much less good about it!"
John was much more constructive than destructive in my case...I went for the course (as I suspect most of us do) thinking I was pretty good...I told him up front that I was not interested in joining a driving club or getting an HPC sticker on the rear window...just to examine the 'envelope' of the car, and the driver...his comments showed me what I still had to learn.
To get back to the start of the thread, I have no interest in the politics of HPC, or any other Advanced Driving company, but would encourage ANYONE reading this thread not to be discouraged by the 'politics'...ANY further education in driving is worthwhile!
BOF.
"So for example, I have been working with a coach on my track driving in prep for racing next year. I feel good about the process and the encouragement I get. So I feel inspired to do it. If he said to me the blunt reality...Bert, you are fat, mid-forties and you'll start off tooling around the back, but you will prob pick up pace as you go, I would feel much less good about it!"
John was much more constructive than destructive in my case...I went for the course (as I suspect most of us do) thinking I was pretty good...I told him up front that I was not interested in joining a driving club or getting an HPC sticker on the rear window...just to examine the 'envelope' of the car, and the driver...his comments showed me what I still had to learn.
To get back to the start of the thread, I have no interest in the politics of HPC, or any other Advanced Driving company, but would encourage ANYONE reading this thread not to be discouraged by the 'politics'...ANY further education in driving is worthwhile!
BOF.
ipsg.glf said:
You'll be hard pressed to find any existing HPC member willing to comment. It is now a Club disciplinary offence for any HPC member to comment publicly on "disagreements".
It is? (I've stopped reading the forum)Exactly what "discipline" can be applied?
Edited by Joe911 on Saturday 15th December 09:37
ipsg.glf said:
As it is, I no longer have any association with the Club. I cannot stress enough how pleased I am that this is the case.
It does you no credit to be bitching about it in public - why do you feel the need to snipe at a club you are pleased to not be associated with - move on.Your comments about accidents on events etc. may be factually correct (in fact I'm not sure of the details myself) - as presented they paint a concerning picture. If you take a random sample of 100 (non-HPC) "performance" drivers, even 100 police drivers, and compare with HPC members - what would the accident rate for each group be over a long period? I don't know, but it is fairer than quoting two accidents as a guilty verdict.
Joe911 said:
ipsg.glf said:
As it is, I no longer have any association with the Club. I cannot stress enough how pleased I am that this is the case.
It does you no credit to be bitching about it in public - why do you feel the need to snipe at a club you are pleased to not be associated with - move on.I'm not passing comment to gain praise or noteriety. I'm doing it because people have asked about the HPC. As I stated earlier, I would not be able to live with myself if a MoP was injured on a HPC event due to exuberant driving and I had stood idly by.
Edited by ipsg.glf on Saturday 15th December 12:19
Joe911 said:
ipsg.glf said:
You'll be hard pressed to find any existing HPC member willing to comment. It is now a Club disciplinary offence for any HPC member to comment publicly on "disagreements".
It is? (I've stopped reading the forum)Exactly what "discipline" can be applied?
Edited by Joe911 on Saturday 15th December 09:37
Funnily enough, that would be the same body of peope who have managed the Club since the ousting of JL and the alleged drop in driving standards. Go figure.
I have not contributed to this forum in the past and do not intend to do so in the future. However, I feel strongly enough about some of the comments made on this thread to make a single contribution. I hope regular contributors will forgive my intrusion.
I have been involved with HPC for nearly 18 years. In that time, I have attended countless events, made numerous friends and sat in a car with some truly exceptional drivers.
The Club is dedicated to the art of skilful and safe motoring. Whilst it draws a lot on the techniques of both police and track driving, an HPC drive has the rather prosaic objective of getting from A to B on public roads. Although the Club has a number of serving policemen and some very competent race drivers, HPC members are not engaged in law enforcement and outright speed is never their objective. Consequently, Club drivers do not practise on public roads the full range of skills required by those other driving disciplines.
The Club’s membership is rather diverse. There are engineers, accountants, policemen, academics, company directors, driving instructors, musicians, entrepreneurs, airline pilots, servicemen, dentists and doctors; ages range from mid 20s upwards; and there are plenty of active female members. What is common to every HPC member is a passion for driving and self-improvement. The capacity for self-criticism amongst the membership lies in stark contrast to the rest of the driving population where – what is that statistic? – 75-80% think their skills are above average.
Being peopled by a rather disparate group of individuals, there is a lot of vigorous but friendly debate on the Club’s forum. Topics covered range from driving techniques – steering and heel-toeing for instance – to road charging, climate change and politics. Recently there has been much discussion among the membership on how the Club should be responsibly run in light of the changing road environment. Members were forthright in their views and a number of proposals made by the Committee were rejected or changed.
In summary, if you’re deeply interested in road driving, want to meet some fascinating people and have a lot of fun, then HPC is an organisation you should consider joining. The Club is open to all who pass through an initial course of coaching. However, if you are sociopathic or unable to conform to the usual norms of group behaviour, you will not be welcome in HPC – or any other amateur club for that matter.
Happy and Safe Motoring!
I have been involved with HPC for nearly 18 years. In that time, I have attended countless events, made numerous friends and sat in a car with some truly exceptional drivers.
The Club is dedicated to the art of skilful and safe motoring. Whilst it draws a lot on the techniques of both police and track driving, an HPC drive has the rather prosaic objective of getting from A to B on public roads. Although the Club has a number of serving policemen and some very competent race drivers, HPC members are not engaged in law enforcement and outright speed is never their objective. Consequently, Club drivers do not practise on public roads the full range of skills required by those other driving disciplines.
The Club’s membership is rather diverse. There are engineers, accountants, policemen, academics, company directors, driving instructors, musicians, entrepreneurs, airline pilots, servicemen, dentists and doctors; ages range from mid 20s upwards; and there are plenty of active female members. What is common to every HPC member is a passion for driving and self-improvement. The capacity for self-criticism amongst the membership lies in stark contrast to the rest of the driving population where – what is that statistic? – 75-80% think their skills are above average.
Being peopled by a rather disparate group of individuals, there is a lot of vigorous but friendly debate on the Club’s forum. Topics covered range from driving techniques – steering and heel-toeing for instance – to road charging, climate change and politics. Recently there has been much discussion among the membership on how the Club should be responsibly run in light of the changing road environment. Members were forthright in their views and a number of proposals made by the Committee were rejected or changed.
In summary, if you’re deeply interested in road driving, want to meet some fascinating people and have a lot of fun, then HPC is an organisation you should consider joining. The Club is open to all who pass through an initial course of coaching. However, if you are sociopathic or unable to conform to the usual norms of group behaviour, you will not be welcome in HPC – or any other amateur club for that matter.
Happy and Safe Motoring!
Edited by DrNo on Saturday 15th December 12:16
ipsg.glf said:
I'm not passing comment to gain praise or noteriety. I'm Doing it because people have asked about the HPC.
Did you not start this thread by announcing that you were resigning from HPC - surely that is why this private issue is being discussed?ipsg.glf said:
As I stated earlier, I would mot be able to live with myself if a MoP was injured on a HPC event due to exuberant driving and I had stood idly by.
So you see it as your mission to protect the public - very laudable - so you're bitching on a web forum?Von - I think maybe the force has a new recruit?
Joe911 said:
Did you not start this thread by announcing that you were resigning from HPC - surely that is why this private issue is being discussed?
No. That was another thread. That was because the Deputy Chairman (who I suspect is DrNo above) used the HPC PM system to further harass me on a matter that had nothing whatsoever to do with the HPC. He did tis because he wanted to trigger a reaction from me. He wanted me out of the Club. The exact words he used were "I want you out of the Club and I always get what I want" Don't believe me? Ask him.My crime has been to ask difficult and awkward questions of the Committee. And not to ask questions in a manner which they consider to be suitably respectful.
Joe911 said:
So you see it as your mission to protect the public - very laudable - so you're bitching on a web forum?
Not at all. I'm simply stating my experiences. It is for others to judge.Sometimes one has to be prepared to speak out.
Edited by ipsg.glf on Saturday 15th December 12:13
DrNo said:
The capacity for self-criticism amongst the membership lies in stark contrast to the rest of the driving population where – what is that statistic? – 75-80% think their skills are above average.
I'm sorry but are you claiming that the HPC are the only self critical drivers in the population ?Guys,
I'm sorry to say but I'm bringing this discussion to a close. I'm sick and tired of all the complaints received about this specific discussion.
It's an utter shame that a positive forum such as this [advanced driving] should be ruined by a petty 'political' discussion that should not taking place in such a public forum as this - no matter what the rules of an organisation may be.
Lets focus on the positives of advanced driving - no matter at which level that might be - and lets work together to raise the awareness of whats available out there.
K
P.S. - I have no affiliation in any way shape or form to the organisation at hand; so do not want any accusations of siding with one side or another.
I'm sorry to say but I'm bringing this discussion to a close. I'm sick and tired of all the complaints received about this specific discussion.
It's an utter shame that a positive forum such as this [advanced driving] should be ruined by a petty 'political' discussion that should not taking place in such a public forum as this - no matter what the rules of an organisation may be.
Lets focus on the positives of advanced driving - no matter at which level that might be - and lets work together to raise the awareness of whats available out there.
K
P.S. - I have no affiliation in any way shape or form to the organisation at hand; so do not want any accusations of siding with one side or another.
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