Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?
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BertBert said:
vonhosen said:
The DVSA yes, they are responsible for what's taught & tested (which has to be signed off by the government).
Interesting. I'm about to help a friend's children with some driving practice as they learn to drive. Is there a publication I could get that describes the modern driving test and skills needed?Bert
https://www.safedrivingforlife.info/what-teach-and...
Of course there is 1) a syllabus that the learner would need to cover, but the skill for the trainer is in 2) how they deliver that in a manner that addresses higher levels.
Coaching rather than instruction, client centred with encouragement on candidate self awareness, candidate honest critical reflection & candidate responsibility.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 3rd December 10:44
There's absolutely no need to apply to hand brake every time you stop at a light. It's much easier to leave your foot on the brake and it allows you to move quickly if you're about to get rear ended. My car has an auto hold feature where the brakes will stay applied whilst I'm stopped, so my brake lights are always on.
Aaron702 said:
There's absolutely no need to apply to hand brake every time you stop at a light. It's much easier to leave your foot on the brake and it allows you to move quickly if you're about to get rear ended. My car has an auto hold feature where the brakes will stay applied whilst I'm stopped, so my brake lights are always on.
But what are the odds of being rear-ended? Your auto hold would be irrelevant in that situation.nonsequitur said:
But what are the odds of being rear-ended? Your auto hold would be irrelevant in that situation.
I was wondering where he was going to go when he spotted the impending collision. Over the car in front? Into the junction against the lights? I know, into the green grocers.vonhosen said:
You can start here.
https://www.safedrivingforlife.info/what-teach-and...
Of course there is 1) a syllabus that the learner would need to cover, but the skill for the trainer is in 2) how they deliver that in a manner that addresses higher levels.
Coaching rather than instruction, client centred with encouragement on candidate self awareness, candidate honest critical reflection & candidate responsibility.
Thanks VH.https://www.safedrivingforlife.info/what-teach-and...
Of course there is 1) a syllabus that the learner would need to cover, but the skill for the trainer is in 2) how they deliver that in a manner that addresses higher levels.
Coaching rather than instruction, client centred with encouragement on candidate self awareness, candidate honest critical reflection & candidate responsibility.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 3rd December 10:44
Interesting direction we have gone here.
How about an Australian system where new drivers have to display "P" plates and have limitations in vehicle capacity (no turbos), curfew and other restrictions.
The closest we came to it was the Pass Plus. I did this because I needed to drive on motorways. Twelve years before I passed my driving test I took my CBT. My instructor and now good friend Mick showed me a collection of photos of injuries sent to him when previous students were knocked or fell off. Some gravel rash to dismembered limbs.
Again looking at Australia and New Zealand to a degree their road safety adverts are incredible.
If children or shall we say "troubled" new drivers be shown something as hard hitting would it have as positive effect as they have in Aus'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXX1OEn5iA
How about an Australian system where new drivers have to display "P" plates and have limitations in vehicle capacity (no turbos), curfew and other restrictions.
The closest we came to it was the Pass Plus. I did this because I needed to drive on motorways. Twelve years before I passed my driving test I took my CBT. My instructor and now good friend Mick showed me a collection of photos of injuries sent to him when previous students were knocked or fell off. Some gravel rash to dismembered limbs.
Again looking at Australia and New Zealand to a degree their road safety adverts are incredible.
If children or shall we say "troubled" new drivers be shown something as hard hitting would it have as positive effect as they have in Aus'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXX1OEn5iA
I really like the P plate system they have with various restrictions. For most of us we only really learn to drive after we pass our test but being male with 3 or 4 other male friends in the car was often the cause of bad behaviour and bad driving.
It's only worth doing though if the insurance companies help out. I know they kind of do already with the black box things but that isn't a legal requirement.
I've seen a few people in the UK with P plates but typically rather than being bad drivers they are normally really good but I guess if they have chosen to have P plates they are the kind of people that think more about their actions.
It's only worth doing though if the insurance companies help out. I know they kind of do already with the black box things but that isn't a legal requirement.
I've seen a few people in the UK with P plates but typically rather than being bad drivers they are normally really good but I guess if they have chosen to have P plates they are the kind of people that think more about their actions.
vonhosen said:
You can't please all of the people all of the time.
These forums seem to be populated by mostly UK drivers. Most vehicle manufacturing is from outside the UK.
They (manufacturers) won't be concerning themselves much with wisdoms of niche groups in the UK. If they do think about any perceived wisdoms they'll likely consider the large groups within their home/largest markets.
Yes but if the Government of that country has made some laws and guidance and summarises some of that in a generally available book (Highway Code #114), shouldn't the manufacturers obey them?These forums seem to be populated by mostly UK drivers. Most vehicle manufacturing is from outside the UK.
They (manufacturers) won't be concerning themselves much with wisdoms of niche groups in the UK. If they do think about any perceived wisdoms they'll likely consider the large groups within their home/largest markets.
Vaux said:
vonhosen said:
You can't please all of the people all of the time.
These forums seem to be populated by mostly UK drivers. Most vehicle manufacturing is from outside the UK.
They (manufacturers) won't be concerning themselves much with wisdoms of niche groups in the UK. If they do think about any perceived wisdoms they'll likely consider the large groups within their home/largest markets.
Yes but if the Government of that country has made some laws and guidance and summarises some of that in a generally available book (Highway Code #114), shouldn't the manufacturers obey them?These forums seem to be populated by mostly UK drivers. Most vehicle manufacturing is from outside the UK.
They (manufacturers) won't be concerning themselves much with wisdoms of niche groups in the UK. If they do think about any perceived wisdoms they'll likely consider the large groups within their home/largest markets.
The CPS will never run with a prosecution for brake lights being used to cause dazzle in those circumstances.
DickyC said:
I was wondering where he was going to go when he spotted the impending collision. Over the car in front? Into the junction against the lights? I know, into the green grocers.
Obviously it's a slim chance that you could do anything about it but if you leave a decent gap to the car in front you could escape into the oncoming lane if it was clear.poing said:
It's only worth doing though if the insurance companies help out. I know they kind of do already with the black box things but that isn't a legal requirement.
The insurance companies definitely don't do this for the benefit or safety of newer drivers. Everyone that's had one will know that it's a complete scam and is in serious need of proper regulation. Most boxes are wildly inaccurate with serious penalties and are disguised as cheap insurance for new drivers that don't know better. Try driving everywhere at bang on the speed limit and see how 'safe' that really is.Aaron702 said:
DickyC said:
I was wondering where he was going to go when he spotted the impending collision. Over the car in front? Into the junction against the lights? I know, into the green grocers.
Obviously it's a slim chance that you could do anything about it but if you leave a decent gap to the car in front you could escape into the oncoming lane if it was clear.Having said that, one cold winter years ago I was working with a guy who lived at the top of a hill with a busy T junction at the bottom. One particularly icy morning he gingerly set off down the hill In his Triumph 2000 and managed to stop at the junction. Glancing in his mirror, he saw a neighbour on his way down the hill going too fast. He claimed he had time to engage the handbrake, put the car in neutral, get out and walk to the pavement on the opposite side to stand with his arms folded wearing a resigned exlression and wait for the crash. No one believed him but it's a good story.
Geek Corner- I can remember the Triumph 2000's registration: ARK 66H. It was because my dad had previously owned a Triumph 1300, ARK 606H.
Liquid Knight said:
People will put absolutely anything on youtubeDoubleD said:
Liquid Knight said:
People will put absolutely anything on youtube
nonsequitur said:
DoubleD said:
Liquid Knight said:
People will put absolutely anything on youtubeDoubleD said:
nonsequitur said:
DoubleD said:
Liquid Knight said:
People will put absolutely anything on youtubeI'm pretty sure 99% of drivers use the brakes at the lights...
For a start, it's safer than the handbrake. If someone rear ends you, you have 4 wheels with brakes locked meaning you're less likely to be shunted into the car in front causing front and rear end damage.
Secondly, its just more convenient, unless you're one of those types who can't set off from a standstill without the handbrake being on.
For a start, it's safer than the handbrake. If someone rear ends you, you have 4 wheels with brakes locked meaning you're less likely to be shunted into the car in front causing front and rear end damage.
Secondly, its just more convenient, unless you're one of those types who can't set off from a standstill without the handbrake being on.
Boosted LS1 said:
I disagree. Those drivers are merely resting their foot on the brakes, not pressing firmly. If the foot slips off because of being rear ended how can that be safer then the handbrake that has to be manually released?
I cant see it making much difference either way in a rear end shunt.DoubleD said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I disagree. Those drivers are merely resting their foot on the brakes, not pressing firmly. If the foot slips off because of being rear ended how can that be safer then the handbrake that has to be manually released?
I cant see it making much difference either way in a rear end shunt.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff