Irrational Driving behaviours

[911hope]

georgeyboy12345 said:

Can you read?

Very well thankyou.

[underwhelmist]

Johnnytheboy said:

End of a DC, traffic flowing freely.

Car in L1 before merge veers over to the right after the traffic has merged, and there's no danger of anyone getting by.

After the two lanes have merged, but while the road is still wider than usual, if that makes sense.

Maybe they're moving right to improve their view ahead? My commute includes a DC which narrows down to one lane in many places, I often position to the right after it narrows to one lane to improve my view.

[What The Deuces]

Closing the gap at merges

Speeding up when being overtaken

Not giving way on a slip road when entering the motorway L1

[Mr Penguin]

911hope said:

For example...Lots of residential roads, roads that have been recently resurfaced.

Point is lots of people don't seem to be able to work out where the centre is, unless there is a line instructing them.

Or is there another explanation?

Potholes. A lot of those roads are in very bad condition around the edges.

[MOBB]

oceanview said:

I've noticed a few drivers when approaching a cyclist on a road, moving out a good 2/3 metres to go around them- all good but, they decide to do it when they have traffic approaching them from the other direction!

I have seen a few near misses through this idiotic manoeuvre.

I’ve had this a few times recently since the new rules whilst out cycling

Often when approaching a blind bend too, incredible behaviour

And to top it off, I often get abuse from the driver coming the other way, not the tt driver

[Drew106]

What The Deuces said:

Not giving way on a slip road when entering the motorway L1

This one's quite annoying and very common.

I was on the M42 yesterday. BMW coming up the slip road, I'm in lane 1 going a steady 60ish, I could tell that the BMW expected me to move over, his trajectory is meeting mine. There's a few cars coming up in lane 2 which I'm not going to impede by changing lanes (nor should I be required to, but anyway). I just stayed steady with the cruise control on to see what BMW would do. Sure enough he waits until the very last minute, throws the anchors out and falls in behind.

Bearing in mind my speed was steady, he had two options:
1) put the hammer down a bit and merge in front
2) ease off and merge behind

He chose the secret third option:
3) go at whatever speed you want expecting lane 1 traffic to move over for you, when it doesn't panic and revert to option 1 or 2.

[sjc]

Those that want to overtake but drive so close to the car/lorry in front they can’t see the up the opposite carriageway for oncoming traffic,but then look at you in astonishment as you’ve planned your own overtake from 100m back and fly past them and the slow moving vehicle in one swoop perfectly safely.

[Tyre Smoke]

The expectation of slip road drivers is incredibly annoying. And the number that flick you the finger when you fail to yield to them is increasing.

I don't understand why they think you should give way to them. Has driving instruction changed that existing DC/motorway traffic should deviate to accommodate?

[911hope]

Tyre Smoke said:

The expectation of slip road drivers is incredibly annoying. And the number that flick you the finger when you fail to yield to them is increasing.

I don't understand why they think you should give way to them. Has driving instruction changed that existing DC/motorway traffic should deviate to accommodate?

There should be no expectation of deviating to accommodate, but if L2 is clear and the joining car seems closing on your path, or there a lot of joining cars it is advised that you move over.

Someone increasing their risk by not doing so is achieving what?

[Tyre Smoke]

It's courtesy, yes. But the expectation is it should be done. Whether L2 is empty or has traffic approaching.

[911hope]

Tyre Smoke said:

It's courtesy, yes. But the expectation is it should be done. Whether L2 is empty or has traffic approaching.

Agree entirely.

However, I never discount the stupidity motive for joining badly.
Many don't even look at the traffic until the are at the joining point, so they didn't plan at all.

I look at everyone joining and try to predict what will happen, so I won't be there when they join.
If I can't change lane, there is the option of speed change to avoid the accident. Relying on them seeing me or finally "backing off" is not in my control.

Edited by 911hope on Friday 5th August 10:13

[What The Deuces]

911hope said:

Agree entirely.

However, I never discount the stupidity motive for joining badly.
Many don't even look at the traffic until the are at the joining point, so they didn't plan at all.

I look at everyone joining and try to predict what will happen, so I won't be there when they join.
If I can't change lane, there is the option of speed change to avoid the accident. Relying on them seeing me or finally "backing off" is not in my control.

Edited by 911hope on Friday 5th August 10:13

Then if you both back off at the same time.....

Theres a reason why its the slip that has to give way.....

[911hope]

What The Deuces said:

911hope said:

Agree entirely.

However, I never discount the stupidity motive for joining badly.
Many don't even look at the traffic until the are at the joining point, so they didn't plan at all.

I look at everyone joining and try to predict what will happen, so I won't be there when they join.
If I can't change lane, there is the option of speed change to avoid the accident. Relying on them seeing me or finally "backing off" is not in my control.

Edited by 911hope on Friday 5th August 10:13

Then if you both back off at the same time.....

Theres a reason why its the slip that has to give way.....

There are 2 choices :

1. Avoid the accident.
2. Be stubborn and risk the accident, happy in the knowledge that it would the other guy's fault.

I choose option 1.

A suspect that would be the "advanced drivers'" recommendation.

[What The Deuces]

911hope said:

There are 2 choices :

1. Avoid the accident.
2. Be stubborn and risk the accident, happy in the knowledge that it would the other guy's fault.

I choose option 1.

A suspect that would be the "advanced drivers'" recommendation.

i'm not remotely saying i'd hold firm and have an accident, far from it. I asked you a question

I said what happens if you both hesitate and back off....? You can try and avoid the accident and still have an accident/situation. I see it lots

The reason the slip has to give way is that its simple and predictable for all those involved.

Personally if i'm in lane one i'm looking for the weapon on the slip road as soon as i can see them, i'll then make sure i'm nowhere near him by either changing lanes or speeding up/slowing slightly before they even know i exist.

[swisstoni]

911hope said:

What The Deuces said:

911hope said:

Agree entirely.

However, I never discount the stupidity motive for joining badly.
Many don't even look at the traffic until the are at the joining point, so they didn't plan at all.

I look at everyone joining and try to predict what will happen, so I won't be there when they join.
If I can't change lane, there is the option of speed change to avoid the accident. Relying on them seeing me or finally "backing off" is not in my control.

Edited by 911hope on Friday 5th August 10:13

Then if you both back off at the same time.....

Theres a reason why its the slip that has to give way.....

There are 2 choices :

1. Avoid the accident.
2. Be stubborn and risk the accident, happy in the knowledge that it would the other guy's fault.

I choose option 1.

A suspect that would be the "advanced drivers'" recommendation.

Obviously all parties have a responsibility but often the person already on the main road can see how things are shaping up much better than the person joining.

The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.

If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.

If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.

[911hope]

What The Deuces said:

911hope said:

There are 2 choices :

1. Avoid the accident.
2. Be stubborn and risk the accident, happy in the knowledge that it would the other guy's fault.

I choose option 1.

A suspect that would be the "advanced drivers'" recommendation.

i'm not remotely saying i'd hold firm and have an accident, far from it. I asked you a question

I said what happens if you both hesitate and back off....? You can try and avoid the accident and still have an accident/situation. I see it lots

The reason the slip has to give way is that its simple and predictable for all those involved.

Personally if i'm in lane one i'm looking for the weapon on the slip road as soon as i can see them, i'll then make sure i'm nowhere near him by either changing lanes or speeding up/slowing slightly before they even know i exist.

Excellent, you also choose option 1.

[FatboyKim]

Hopefully I can explain this clearly, but drivers who swerve into the oncoming lane to avoid slowing down too much when the car they are following slows down to turn left into a side road.

The act of doing so is just dangerous and saves seconds no time whatsoever.

Another is people not indicating on roundabouts, or lazily leaving their right indicator on even when leaving the roundabout. I can't really condone it but my dad without fail very slowly pulls out on any vehicle if it's obvious that they are coming round the roundabout without indicating, therefore massively inconveniencing them and bringing them to a stop whilst he looks at them and shrugs his shoulders. And without fail every time, the non-indicating driver launches into an angry tirade of swearing and hand signals, despite the incident ultimately being caused by their lack of indicating to signal that they are coming right around the roundabout.

General driving standards have just become horrific in the last 5 or so years.

Edited by FatboyKim on Friday 5th August 11:05

[Pistom]

911hope said:

What The Deuces said:

911hope said:

There are 2 choices :

1. Avoid the accident.
2. Be stubborn and risk the accident, happy in the knowledge that it would the other guy's fault.

I choose option 1.

A suspect that would be the "advanced drivers'" recommendation.

I think what people are missing is that the driving rules are there for a purpose and if you have to start using advanced driving to avoid a collision, something has gone wrong.

Joining a motorway rules are simple - you merge into the carriageway adjusting your speed and position accordingly. It's not as if they're not long enough. The premise is that both parties understand how each one behaves - the problem comes if there's sudden uncertainty.

i'm not remotely saying i'd hold firm and have an accident, far from it. I asked you a question

I said what happens if you both hesitate and back off....? You can try and avoid the accident and still have an accident/situation. I see it lots

The reason the slip has to give way is that its simple and predictable for all those involved.

Personally if i'm in lane one i'm looking for the weapon on the slip road as soon as i can see them, i'll then make sure i'm nowhere near him by either changing lanes or speeding up/slowing slightly before they even know i exist.

Excellent, you also choose option 1.

[911hope]

FatboyKim said:

Hopefully I can explain this clearly, but drivers who swerve into the oncoming lane to avoid slowing down too much when the car they are following slows down to turn left into a side road.

The act of doing so is just dangerous and saves seconds no time whatsoever.

Another is people not indicating on roundabouts, or lazily leaving their right indicator on even when leaving the roundabout. I can't really condone it but my dad without fail very slowly pulls out on any vehicle if it's obvious that they are coming round the roundabout without indicating, therefore massively inconveniencing them and bringing them to a stop whilst he looks at them and shrugs his shoulders. And without fail every time, the non-indicating driver launches into an angry tirade of swearing and hand signals, despite the incident ultimately being caused by their lack of indicating to signal that they are coming right around the roundabout.

General driving standards have just become horrific in the last 5 or so years.

Edited by FatboyKim on Friday 5th August 11:05

I'm glad you don't condone your Dad's behaviour. It fits right in the irrational behaviour category.

If I understand, he drives to block someone, because they didn't indicate.
Does he think he is changing the world?
Is he happy to take the blame, in the event of the accident he caused?

Reacting to bad driving with worse driving!

Edited by 911hope on Friday 5th August 11:22

[What The Deuces]

FatboyKim said:

Hopefully I can explain this clearly, but drivers who swerve into the oncoming lane to avoid slowing down too much when the car they are following slows down to turn left into a side road.

The act of doing so is just dangerous and saves seconds no time whatsoever.

Another is people not indicating on roundabouts, or lazily leaving their right indicator on even when leaving the roundabout. I can't really condone it but my dad without fail very slowly pulls out on any vehicle if it's obvious that they are coming round the roundabout without indicating, therefore massively inconveniencing them and bringing them to a stop whilst he looks at them and shrugs his shoulders. And without fail every time, the non-indicating driver launches into an angry tirade of swearing and hand signals, despite the incident ultimately being caused by their lack of indicating to signal that they are coming right around the roundabout.

General driving standards have just become horrific in the last 5 or so years.

Edited by FatboyKim on Friday 5th August 11:05

Hate to break it to you but its your dad causing the incidents..... i.e, there wouldn't be an incident if he didn't pull out on them to show them how clever he is and how wrong they are. Sure its annoying to see them doing it but all your dad is doing is introducing some uncertainty and some extra risk. Not good