Irrational Driving behaviours
Discussion
swisstoni said:
Obviously all parties have a responsibility but often the person already on the main road can see how things are shaping up much better than the person joining.
The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
I would also say that often the driver on the slip road has a better view particulary if its elevated.The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
If you are worried about hitting someone in front of you on the sliproad......leave a bigger gap :-)
What The Deuces said:
Hate to break it to you but its your dad causing the incidents..... i.e, there wouldn't be an incident if he didn't pull out on them to show them how clever he is and how wrong they are. Sure its annoying to see them doing it but all your dad is doing is introducing some uncertainty and some extra risk. Not good
Yes, we've been through all this before 
with me pointing out that if the oncoming driver is already careless enough and not paying attention so as to indicate, what happens if they aren't looking further around the roundabout and seeing you using your Ford Kuga as a road block.
FatboyKim said:
What The Deuces said:
Hate to break it to you but its your dad causing the incidents..... i.e, there wouldn't be an incident if he didn't pull out on them to show them how clever he is and how wrong they are. Sure its annoying to see them doing it but all your dad is doing is introducing some uncertainty and some extra risk. Not good
Yes, we've been through all this before with me pointing out that if the oncoming driver is already careless enough and not paying attention so as to indicate, what happens if they aren't looking further around the roundabout and seeing you using your Ford Kuga as a road block."I can't really condone it but my dad without fail very slowly pulls out on any vehicle if it's obvious that they are coming round the roundabout without indicating, therefore massively inconveniencing them and bringing them to a stop whilst he looks at them and shrugs his shoulders."
Seems that you disagree with yourself!
Edited by 911hope on Friday 5th August 12:08
FatboyKim said:
Yes, we've been through all this before with me pointing out that if the oncoming driver is already careless enough and not paying attention so as to indicate, what happens if they aren't looking further around the roundabout and seeing you using your Ford Kuga as a road block.
We may have the same dad if im honest... with me pointing out that if the oncoming driver is already careless enough and not paying attention so as to indicate, what happens if they aren't looking further around the roundabout and seeing you using your Ford Kuga as a road block.What The Deuces said:
swisstoni said:
Obviously all parties have a responsibility but often the person already on the main road can see how things are shaping up much better than the person joining.
The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
I would also say that often the driver on the slip road has a better view particulary if its elevated.The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
If you are worried about hitting someone in front of you on the sliproad......leave a bigger gap :-)
swisstoni said:
What The Deuces said:
swisstoni said:
Obviously all parties have a responsibility but often the person already on the main road can see how things are shaping up much better than the person joining.
The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
I would also say that often the driver on the slip road has a better view particulary if its elevated.The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
If you are worried about hitting someone in front of you on the sliproad......leave a bigger gap :-)
It would only be poor positioning and observation that would get you in a situation ‘you’d never forget’
You sound like you could be one of those cretins who try to overtake the car in front before it’s even joined the motorway (another of my despised driving behaviours)
What The Deuces said:
swisstoni said:
What The Deuces said:
swisstoni said:
Obviously all parties have a responsibility but often the person already on the main road can see how things are shaping up much better than the person joining.
The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
I would also say that often the driver on the slip road has a better view particulary if its elevated.The car joining may not have a good view of the main road until they are almost at the joining point.
If you have ever been following someone joining a motorway who’s slammed on the brakes and stopped at the join, you never forget it.
If you spend too much time sizing up gaps out of your side window there’s a chance of rear ending one of these numpties at speed.
If you are worried about hitting someone in front of you on the sliproad......leave a bigger gap :-)
It would only be poor positioning and observation that would get you in a situation ‘you’d never forget’
You sound like you could be one of those cretins who try to overtake the car in front before it’s even joined the motorway (another of my despised driving behaviours)
911hope said:
I've often been puzzled why people make certain decisions when driving. Often they create risk for no advantage.
My favourite is....
Swerving around a puddle, when there is oncoming traffic.....Surely a splash is preferable to a head-on crash.
Any other examples that people have observed.
I would stop, treat that as an obstacle if I couldn’t see the bottom of it, wait for the oncoming traffic to pass and drive round it. My favourite is....
Swerving around a puddle, when there is oncoming traffic.....Surely a splash is preferable to a head-on crash.
Any other examples that people have observed.
I have had some almighty thwacks driving through ‘puddles’ at speed before. Its not worth the risk of a bent rim / suspension, to save a few seconds of time.
Edited by wyson on Saturday 6th August 09:29
Some of the oldie driving behaviors are baffling; we all know they drive 40 in a 60 because they can't really see where they are going - but why do they brake on every corner?
Example being a nice rural single carriageway route, with wide sweeping corners, fairly wide roads and good visibility. But you'll always come across an oldie doing 50mph until they get to a corner, even a very shallow one, which they'll brake on without fail, down to about 40mph.
Then they speed up on the straight back to 50mph until the next bend or corner.
Surely this is a very wasteful way to drive? You even get some of them doing it on the straights, they'll speed up to 60mph then all of a sudden brake down to 45mph, proceed at 45mph for a minute, then gradually go back up to 60mph. Then they'll realize they are at 60mph and brake again. I could understand this if they had passengers to distract them but I see solitary oldies do this all the time.
A lot of them show very selfish driving behaviors, example any whiff of news about a fuel shortage and you'll see a huge queue of gray haired drivers, not caring which roads they block as they queue to get their fuel. My favourite was a few years ago - news of a potential fuel shortage, and the Tescos by me had a massive queue going back 40+ cars - apart from the new Pay at Pump Only fuel pumps which were deserted. As none of the oldies could use them! I went right past the big queue and filled up - not a single oldie followed me.
75% of the time if I see something shocking on the roads it'll be a grayhair. Definitely should be a 10 minute "refresher test" at 70 years old rather than the current self cert.
Example being a nice rural single carriageway route, with wide sweeping corners, fairly wide roads and good visibility. But you'll always come across an oldie doing 50mph until they get to a corner, even a very shallow one, which they'll brake on without fail, down to about 40mph.
Then they speed up on the straight back to 50mph until the next bend or corner.
Surely this is a very wasteful way to drive? You even get some of them doing it on the straights, they'll speed up to 60mph then all of a sudden brake down to 45mph, proceed at 45mph for a minute, then gradually go back up to 60mph. Then they'll realize they are at 60mph and brake again. I could understand this if they had passengers to distract them but I see solitary oldies do this all the time.
A lot of them show very selfish driving behaviors, example any whiff of news about a fuel shortage and you'll see a huge queue of gray haired drivers, not caring which roads they block as they queue to get their fuel. My favourite was a few years ago - news of a potential fuel shortage, and the Tescos by me had a massive queue going back 40+ cars - apart from the new Pay at Pump Only fuel pumps which were deserted. As none of the oldies could use them! I went right past the big queue and filled up - not a single oldie followed me.
75% of the time if I see something shocking on the roads it'll be a grayhair. Definitely should be a 10 minute "refresher test" at 70 years old rather than the current self cert.
Slowest and most dangerous thing on the road? A Honda Jazz turning in a Garden Centre car park. Liable to stop anywhere before indicating and then stopping half on and half off the main road while they look for a space.
See also old people stopping at the foot of escalators or right outside shop doorways.
See also old people stopping at the foot of escalators or right outside shop doorways.
Tyre Smoke said:
Slowest and most dangerous thing on the road? A Honda Jazz turning in a Garden Centre car park. Liable to stop anywhere before indicating and then stopping half on and half off the main road while they look for a space.
See also old people stopping at the foot of escalators or right outside shop doorways.
I work on the site of a garden centre out in the countryside. Nothing is more depressing than catching someone a mile or two away, and knowing they are a garden centre customer (it's not hard) and that you are following for the ten minutes it takes them to do the last mile, then stop completely just inside the entrance to have a think about parking. See also old people stopping at the foot of escalators or right outside shop doorways.
I used to work at a National Trust car park. Same mentality was why there was usually a queue to get in, as even regular visiting oldies would wait until they got to the front of the queue to begin hunting for their NT card.
What The Deuces said:
Doesn’t sound like it. Having commuted up to 45k a year for many years on the motorway network (I feel fairly qualified to comment). I’ve never come close to rear ending anyone on a slip road. Even those morons who stop suddenly at the end.
It would only be poor positioning and observation that would get you in a situation ‘you’d never forget’
You sound like you could be one of those cretins who try to overtake the car in front before it’s even joined the motorway (another of my despised driving behaviours)
If the slip road has two lanes, then as far as I'm concerned it's OK to overtake on it. Obviously not at the point where the vehicle in front is liable to move to the right onto the motorway.
It would only be poor positioning and observation that would get you in a situation ‘you’d never forget’
You sound like you could be one of those cretins who try to overtake the car in front before it’s even joined the motorway (another of my despised driving behaviours)
If the slip road has two lanes, then as far as I'm concerned it's OK to overtake on it. Obviously not at the point where the vehicle in front is liable to move to the right onto the motorway.
What The Deuces said:
... Even those morons who stop suddenly at the end.
So what should a driver do if there is a steady stream of vehicles with no gap who won't let them in? They must give way to to vehicles already on the carriageway so they have to stop or they will end up on the verge.Had to pop out this morning, and even on a pretty quiet day, I noticed a few in quick succession:
- changing from the outer to inner lane of a dual carriageway section, when approaching a junction, with a car about to pull out of it turning left. Plenty of time before or after the junction to change lanes, and if the driver pulling out doesn't catch your lane change, there's a high risk of them thinking they're clear to pull out into the inner lane and doing so right in front of you. Poor practice, and any bluster about the priority of the driver on the main road or how observant the driver pulling out should be doesnt make it less so.
- tailgating a car in front because they're only doing 30 in a 30, and you want to do 35, when there's clearly a set of traffic lights on red up ahead. Bonus points for accelerating past as soon as the road widens, so you end up stopped in precisely the same position at the lights as you would've been anyway, having achieved nothing more than needlessly accelerating and braking harder.
- trying to nip up the inside of the car in front where the bus lane on the left finishes, by making an unsignalled lane change and accelerating slightly before the bus lane actually ends. Hilarious when the car in front actually does the lane change at the correct point and closes the door on them.
- changing from the outer to inner lane of a dual carriageway section, when approaching a junction, with a car about to pull out of it turning left. Plenty of time before or after the junction to change lanes, and if the driver pulling out doesn't catch your lane change, there's a high risk of them thinking they're clear to pull out into the inner lane and doing so right in front of you. Poor practice, and any bluster about the priority of the driver on the main road or how observant the driver pulling out should be doesnt make it less so.
- tailgating a car in front because they're only doing 30 in a 30, and you want to do 35, when there's clearly a set of traffic lights on red up ahead. Bonus points for accelerating past as soon as the road widens, so you end up stopped in precisely the same position at the lights as you would've been anyway, having achieved nothing more than needlessly accelerating and braking harder.
- trying to nip up the inside of the car in front where the bus lane on the left finishes, by making an unsignalled lane change and accelerating slightly before the bus lane actually ends. Hilarious when the car in front actually does the lane change at the correct point and closes the door on them.
GasEngineer said:
So what should a driver do if there is a steady stream of vehicles with no gap who won't let them in? They must give way to to vehicles already on the carriageway so they have to stop or they will end up on the verge.
Erm not ‘stop suddenly’In all my years of driving I’ve never run out of sliproad and if I did it wouldn’t be with an abrupt stamp of the brakes
Dr Jekyll said:
What The Deuces said:
Doesn’t sound like it. Having commuted up to 45k a year for many years on the motorway network (I feel fairly qualified to comment). I’ve never come close to rear ending anyone on a slip road. Even those morons who stop suddenly at the end.
It would only be poor positioning and observation that would get you in a situation ‘you’d never forget’
You sound like you could be one of those cretins who try to overtake the car in front before it’s even joined the motorway (another of my despised driving behaviours)
It would only be poor positioning and observation that would get you in a situation ‘you’d never forget’
You sound like you could be one of those cretins who try to overtake the car in front before it’s even joined the motorway (another of my despised driving behaviours)
If the slip road has two lanes, then as far as I'm concerned it's OK to overtake on it. Obviously not at the point where the vehicle in front is liable to move to the right onto the motorway.
I mean those who tailgate you down the sliproad and cross the solids to get out in lane 2 alongside you as you’re crossing the line into lane one.
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