Indicate left after overtaking, or lane change on a motorway
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Haven't read through the thread...but I was told by my driving instructor that it was't necessary to indicate left when moving into the lane to the left.
But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
Macneil said:
Haven't read through the thread...but I was told by my driving instructor that it was't necessary to indicate left when moving into the lane to the left.
But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
I believe that is for the benefit of oncoming, who definitely need to know.But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
nonsequitur said:
Macneil said:
Haven't read through the thread...but I was told by my driving instructor that it was't necessary to indicate left when moving into the lane to the left.
But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
I believe that is for the benefit of oncoming, who definitely need to know.But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
Macneil said:
Haven't read through the thread...but I was told by my driving instructor that it was't necessary to indicate left when moving into the lane to the left.
But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
Also if I am passing those in L1 at 70, and there is some "gentleman" in L3 doing 50 ish, I would like to know if he intends to change lanes.But on a Motorway, how often do you see cars move from lane 3 into lane 2 without indicating just as a car in lane 1 indicates and moves out...
People who overtake on a single carriageway and then indicate left after passing the overtakee do make me laugh.
Single or even two lane dual carriageway/motorways, no point in indicating left after passing another vehicle.
Foss62 said:
This is getting steadily crazier...overtaking vehicles are hardly a rarity on single carriageway roads. Any oncoming vehicle seeing a well-planned overtake (in the distance) will not be remotely interested in signals given by the approaching overtaker. A poor overtake will require the same evasive action irrespective of indications from the approaching vehicle.
It's not crazy. This thread consists mostly of PHers highlighting the fact that you should indicate your intentions to other road user, all of them, in all motoring situations. I would argue that it is really is simple.
vantara said:
Indicators indicate to other road users your intention. If no-one is going to be affected in anyway, shape or form by my manoeuvre then I do not indicate.
Simple really.
Yes vanto, but do you REALLY know if there is no-one about, that no road user will be affected?Simple really.
In a previous thread some time ago, a PHer eloquently, logically and rationally put the case against the ' If no-one is affected' argument. Way beyond my pay grade and I forget when and which thread.
I do remember it was simplicity in a nutshell.
meatballs said:
They know you will be trying to merge on, but not when or where. You indicate too early and the car you are intending to go behind my slow down. You don't indicate at all and the car you are intending to go inront of closes the gap because you haven't been clear about your intentions.
Also some slip roads becom a live lane. Many drivers won't have paid attention to any merge signs and may not be aware, especially with some of the longer slip roads where the end is not visible.
MeatballsAlso some slip roads becom a live lane. Many drivers won't have paid attention to any merge signs and may not be aware, especially with some of the longer slip roads where the end is not visible.
My indicator , if on, does not give me carte blanche to pull into the live lane, Although i would hazard a guess 70% of the tits on the road think that way, and work on the assumption that indicator on means i have right of way irrespective of gap or speed involved
I was told by a trafpol once that when joining from a slip road yo either gun it to a gap in front OR check for gaps behind to fit in and if necessary STOP on the slip if unsafe to join, istill abide by that advice irrespective on other people second guessing my thoughts
I really don't know who is worse the crunts who just pull out and try to get in the passenger seat, or the one in L1 seeing someone on the slip just move to L2 usually with no indication to let them out without checking traffic behind them in L2
nonsequitur said:
It's not crazy. This thread consists mostly of PHers highlighting the fact that you should indicate your intentions to other road user, all of them, in all motoring situations. I would argue that it is really is simple.
The only people who disagree are the Police, the Fire Brigade, The Ambulance Service, The Military, ROSPA and the DVSA. But we have been here many times before. 
Dixy said:
7mike said:
And in other news; my dad/grandad/mum/driving instructor/ IAM observer/ police mate (delete as appropriate) told me that indicators tell me nothing more than the bulb is working
Lamp, bulbs grow in to daffodils. 
Dangle them out the window then so everyone know's you're changing lane (big anti-clockwise circles when moving back to the left) 
nonsequitur said:
vantara said:
Indicators indicate to other road users your intention. If no-one is going to be affected in anyway, shape or form by my manoeuvre then I do not indicate.
Simple really.
Yes vanto, but do you REALLY know if there is no-one about, that no road user will be affected?Simple really.
In a previous thread some time ago, a PHer eloquently, logically and rationally put the case against the ' If no-one is affected' argument. Way beyond my pay grade and I forget when and which thread.
I do remember it was simplicity in a nutshell.
I therefore have no intention to get in a discussion with you about this or any other subject and will take any advice and guidance from experts (as I have always done).
Have a nice day!
Lily the Pink said:
toon10 said:
I don't think it matters. One of the first questions an insurance company asks when you detail an incident like that is did you indicate. They asked me when I got rear ended and the guy claimed I pulled into his lane (I was already in lane 2 and he was just tailgating and didn't react when I had to brake for a car pulling out on me.) It can affect how they apportion blame so I don't put myself in that position. If I pull out to overtake, I indicate. If I pull back in, I indicate. It takes away doubt in making claims.
That's confusing. If you were already in lane 2, why would you have been indicating ?vantara said:
I have noticed that in other threads on various subjects that you try to get a rise out of other contributors with your belief that you are always right when all the evidence points to the opposite conclusion.
I therefore have no intention to get in a discussion with you about this or any other subject and will take any advice and guidance from experts (as I have always done).
Have a nice day!
Well vanto, you won't be contibuting to many threads. The whole essence of PH is posters disagreeing, then producing facts / personal experience to the mix. The posters who think they are 'right' just have strong feelings about a subject. I believe that we should indicate at all opportunities, others don't. The twain will never meet. But at least I have had the opportunity to put my views forward.I therefore have no intention to get in a discussion with you about this or any other subject and will take any advice and guidance from experts (as I have always done).
Have a nice day!
I will try to have a nice day, but the outlook is not good.
I too agree with the statements about a signal not being really required to return to the legal, default left lane. Especially if only one vehicle is overtaken. It smacks of robot driving and use of the indicator. I see it all too often..a right indicator used the very same second a vehicle starts to move out (just a robotic reminder to the driver), believing that the use of the right indicator gives some sort of right/priority to the user to just pull out when doing so causes a vehicle behind to brake, and then using the left indicator to pull back to an empty lane..often a totally empty motorway.
I was always taught that any manoevre which causes another road user to alter its speed or direction is wrong. I have actually seen a left indicator used when a driver pulls back right across the bow of a vehicle in the left lane, causing them to brake. The offender then got angry - he indicated, after all!!
I was always taught that any manoevre which causes another road user to alter its speed or direction is wrong. I have actually seen a left indicator used when a driver pulls back right across the bow of a vehicle in the left lane, causing them to brake. The offender then got angry - he indicated, after all!!
I took a trip up to Scotland recently, on fairly fast single carriageway A roads. I have to say that with regards the signalling to move back in, my view is beginning to change. I found that an approaching, overtaking driver who was signalling to pull back in gave a good sense of where they were in relation to the overtaking vehicle. Where there is a large gap ahead, I see no need. I also see no need in general on motorways, but there may be situations where it is useful. I am usually of the ‘don’t signal unless someone (present or potentially appearing) will benefit from it’ opinion, and I certainly don’t signal when it could be mis-interpreted or cause confusion. However, I will reflect on this, and where approaching vehicles may benefit on single carriageways, I may indicate left after overtaking.
toon10 said:
It's just common courtesy to indicate left after an overtake to let the car you've passed know that you're about to pull back into their lane. It keeps them alert. It was how I was taught and with the modern indicators auto stopping after 3 flashes, it takes no real effort. I find it a bit ignorant when someones passed me than just pulls in, although not enough to lose any sleep over it.
People not doing it is just another example of modern driving standards slipping compared to the 90's when I first passed my test. I'll add it to the list including not indicating on roundabouts when you're waiting but don't need to as they are turning off before reaching you, pulling out of slip roads assuming you'll brake / accelerate to let them in rather than waiting for you to be courteous and letting them in first, etc.
I disagree and quite often there is an over use of signals. There is very little need to indicate to the left, unless in the situation that you have overtaken someone in lane 2 and are in doubt as to whether the person in lane 1 is due to pull out. If you wait until you can see the person in your centre mirror they are far enough behind to neither worry about or care about you.People not doing it is just another example of modern driving standards slipping compared to the 90's when I first passed my test. I'll add it to the list including not indicating on roundabouts when you're waiting but don't need to as they are turning off before reaching you, pulling out of slip roads assuming you'll brake / accelerate to let them in rather than waiting for you to be courteous and letting them in first, etc.
It is a necessity for your driving test, but certainly not expected in your advanced/blue light course.
So my point about too much unnecessary indication is since a vast number of people do not think about what signals it can send out? Are you indicating to pull past the parked cars or to pull into the next junction/driveway? Are you indicating to pull in or pull off?
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