What’s the speed limit on this road?
Discussion
Currently having a discussion on Twitter with a group of Advanced Motorcyclists and drivers about the limit on the road in the image below, all we can agree on so far is it’s abit ambiguous and open to interpretation!
For years I’ve always assumed the NSL Southbound section of this road was a 70 limit.
I assumed that with both roads north and south being the A611, it was a dual carriageway (There is a sign stating this further back) with the large forested area being the “central barrier/reservation”
That was until a few years ago at an IAM meeting with examiners in attendance the question came up and all 3 (1 Response Paramedic and 2 Road Policing Officers) were positive it was a 60 due to the lack of barrier/reservation between the carriageways. When I pointed out I believed the large forested area was the divide, the response was simply that would be a judgement for a magistrate to make.
So what would everyone else’s thoughts be on this particular section? As was pointed out by someone on Twitter, there is no minimum or maximum stated width for a barrier/reservation.
For years I’ve always assumed the NSL Southbound section of this road was a 70 limit.
I assumed that with both roads north and south being the A611, it was a dual carriageway (There is a sign stating this further back) with the large forested area being the “central barrier/reservation”
That was until a few years ago at an IAM meeting with examiners in attendance the question came up and all 3 (1 Response Paramedic and 2 Road Policing Officers) were positive it was a 60 due to the lack of barrier/reservation between the carriageways. When I pointed out I believed the large forested area was the divide, the response was simply that would be a judgement for a magistrate to make.
So what would everyone else’s thoughts be on this particular section? As was pointed out by someone on Twitter, there is no minimum or maximum stated width for a barrier/reservation.
Mammasaid said:
N/bound is 50mph as shown here;
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0560587,-1.22982...
S/bound is NSL (i.e. 70mph for cars, etc), it's no different to the A66 near Keswick, which is 50/70 depending on direction (N.B. the 50mph limit W/bound is enforced by Av. speed cameras).
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/A611/@54.64734...
The Northbound became a 50 a few years ago (2020 I believe) after a very nasty accident with a group of teens in a car going far too fast and spinning off into the trees. I do agree with that section being a 50, it doesn’t look bad from a map but is twisty with off cambers on several bends. One of Nottinghamshires few “Actually it should be a 50” roads!https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0560587,-1.22982...
S/bound is NSL (i.e. 70mph for cars, etc), it's no different to the A66 near Keswick, which is 50/70 depending on direction (N.B. the 50mph limit W/bound is enforced by Av. speed cameras).
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/A611/@54.64734...
The southbound section is wide open with good visibility and a smooth surface.
I think the issue lays with the “barrier/reservation”, would that large wooded area be classed as the barrier? I always assumed yes but 3 people with more experience and training than me said no but can’t seem to find any specifics to back that up so just wondered what others interpretation might be.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
A dual carriageway doesn't need a barrier, just a median?
That’s what I thought and it’s supported by the Road Traffic Regulation Act.“dual-carriageway road” means a road part of which consists of a central reservation to separate a carriageway to be used by vehicles proceeding in one direction from a carriageway to be used by vehicles proceeding in the opposite direction;”
I just wonder how they define a “Central Reservation”? A length of rope or as with the case of the A611, a large woodland area! Let’s be fair, you’d have to be in a plane to have a head on with the other carriageway!
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