RE: Volvo revives big executive saloon
Discussion
Fortunately the car looks nothing at all like an S40 and even if it did why criticise, BMW, Audi, Merc etc etc make all there cars look very similar.
The new straight Six will debut in the S80 and probably be seen in the Freelander next followed by the new S60/V70 and eventually the new S-type.
The new straight Six will debut in the S80 and probably be seen in the Freelander next followed by the new S60/V70 and eventually the new S-type.
pasthim said:Ye syou are missing something, it's the ideal place to store you're takeaway curry behind and keep it warm with the heater on full blast!
Still not sure why the press make so much of this (not) amazing 'floating' centre console. It's slightly interesting/different but that's it. Or am I missing something?
Marquis_Rex said:
On the new in line 6 it is made at Ford's Bridgend plant and will be badged for Jaguar product in the near future.
Regards, Don.Norchi.
Ok, I stand corrected on this wonderful and no doubt free revving 5 pot powerunit.
However the in line six will NOT be used in a Jaguar product.
Yes Yes, youre probably going to show me a magazine snippet or some other leaked info, however I used to work for Jaguar R and D so this will no longer happen
I feeel so relieved that you have said that. i don't like this new I6 engine that volvo have designed. i'm sure its great for its application in volvo cars, but for me have a long stroke small bore design isn't what Jag needs. I6 also weigh in at 180Kgs. that to me seems quite heavy for what is very modern unit. perhaps Jag should invest in the current duratec V6 or design a new engine for jag use only?
richb said:
I'll buy a second hand to one to go with my second hand VW Phateon and Citroen XM V6.
I don't actually own any of these cars.....I was subtly hinting at the Volvo likely performance come resale time
In other words....it'll depreciate like toilet paper.
dvs_dave said:Oh it was a joke...
I'll buy a second hand to one to go with my second hand VW Phateon and Citroen XM V6.
I don't actually own any of these cars.....I was subtly hinting at the Volvo likely performance come resale time
In other words....it'll depreciate like toilet paper.
>> Edited by richb on Saturday 4th March 19:12
Volvos resale values have taken an upturn of late, the XC90 depreciates less than anything else in the country, the XC70 has started to follow suit after the 90, the V70 holds its value aswell as it ever has done and the new S40/V50 is on par if not beats its German counterparts on residuals. The guaranteed mininum future values of the new C70 is higher than the Audi's and about £500 behind the BM cab's but as there 2k more for the same car puts the C70 £1500 ahead, the new S80 should follow suit and if that doesnt quite do it the rumoured estate version of the same car will.
Ah, what the heck, let's reply...
I'm slightly confused about the comments re: the Volvo whiteblock engine design. Once a few minor issues have been sorted out, this engine seems to be as capable as anything you could compare it directly to. For example the SW Autos demo car is making 500whp with only ~1 Bar of boost. It also wasn't an ex-Audi design. The 5-pot derv was an Audi unit, but the whiteblock is a modular design (ie: there are 4, 5 and 6 cylinder versions) of Volvo's own making with a cylinder head designed by Porsche.
In essence, Volvo have only ever designed two engines, and both have been remarkable units in their own way. The redblock, as found in the older stuff, was almost uniquely durable, and features what is described by a number of very experienced engine builders state-side as "one of the best stock SOHC heads ever made"...although he is a yank
I can back this up, as my car made power on a stock head that the RR operators said they would expect from a pretty well worked-over 8v head from many of the competitors of the time.
The full potential of the whiteblock is still being realised, not least because it's a platform many developers won't touch...especially because the scene is actually pretty conservative. There are a few guys in the states currently heading towards I6 builds with four-figure peak power graphs. That puts you into RB26DETT and 2JZ-GTE territory, but utter that sentiment in most performance circles and you'll get laughed off the board. Ho hum, more for us!
Just to really make you giggle, both the D5 diesel unit in the modern larger FWD cars, and the old redblock are originally Penta boat engines!
cheers
James
I'm slightly confused about the comments re: the Volvo whiteblock engine design. Once a few minor issues have been sorted out, this engine seems to be as capable as anything you could compare it directly to. For example the SW Autos demo car is making 500whp with only ~1 Bar of boost. It also wasn't an ex-Audi design. The 5-pot derv was an Audi unit, but the whiteblock is a modular design (ie: there are 4, 5 and 6 cylinder versions) of Volvo's own making with a cylinder head designed by Porsche.
In essence, Volvo have only ever designed two engines, and both have been remarkable units in their own way. The redblock, as found in the older stuff, was almost uniquely durable, and features what is described by a number of very experienced engine builders state-side as "one of the best stock SOHC heads ever made"...although he is a yank
I can back this up, as my car made power on a stock head that the RR operators said they would expect from a pretty well worked-over 8v head from many of the competitors of the time. The full potential of the whiteblock is still being realised, not least because it's a platform many developers won't touch...especially because the scene is actually pretty conservative. There are a few guys in the states currently heading towards I6 builds with four-figure peak power graphs. That puts you into RB26DETT and 2JZ-GTE territory, but utter that sentiment in most performance circles and you'll get laughed off the board. Ho hum, more for us!
Just to really make you giggle, both the D5 diesel unit in the modern larger FWD cars, and the old redblock are originally Penta boat engines!
cheers
James
foggyjames said:
Ah, what the heck, let's reply...
I'm slightly confused about the comments re: the Volvo whiteblock engine design. Once a few minor issues have been sorted out, this engine seems to be as capable as anything you could compare it directly to. For example the SW Autos demo car is making 500whp with only ~1 Bar of boost. It also wasn't an ex-Audi design. The 5-pot derv was an Audi unit, but the whiteblock is a modular design (ie: there are 4, 5 and 6 cylinder versions) of Volvo's own making with a cylinder head designed by Porsche.
In essence, Volvo have only ever designed two engines, and both have been remarkable units in their own way. The redblock, as found in the older stuff, was almost uniquely durable, and features what is described by a number of very experienced engine builders state-side as "one of the best stock SOHC heads ever made"...although he is a yank
The full potential of the whiteblock is still being realised, not least because it's a platform many developers won't touch...especially because the scene is actually pretty conservative. There are a few guys in the states currently heading towards I6 builds with four-figure peak power graphs. That puts you into RB26DETT and 2JZ-GTE territory, but utter that sentiment in most performance circles and you'll get laughed off the board. Ho hum, more for us!
Just to really make you giggle, both the D5 diesel unit in the modern larger FWD cars, and the old redblock are originally Penta boat engines!
cheers
James
All your comments are from the perspective of after market POWER.
Almost any engine with a strong bottom end can be boosted to make power. BMWs 1960s cast iron M10 2002 block made over 1300 Bhp from a 1.5 litre. However an OEM and indeed other OEMs will judge a powerplant on things such as NVH, BMEP, emissions, BSFC, weight of the engine and even how they achieved it at the cost.
And no, by NVH I don't want comments such as " I owned a V70 and it sounded lovely", it has to be more objective and perhaps comparative than that.
It's funny how people get so turned on by what after market tuners claim a boosted engine can make...
Smartie said:
I don't think the current S80 depreciates that badly really and doubt the new one will either, certianly just after its launch.
Also consider when evaluating depreciation that Volvo's dont generally sell at anywhere near their list values, possibly XC90 excepted though I suspect this will be changing now.
Well having had my "ex demonstrator" for just overs 2 years now, the last thing on my mind is the depreciation value, but I know what you mean. I throughly enjoy the car, had a Granada V6 2.9 before that, and like the S80, there is a lot of room in the cabin. If I had the dosh, would get the V8 Volvo coming out. Like all cars, you either like them or you dont, given for example the option of a TVR or the new Volvo, I would take the new Volvo anytime.
With comments of the new V8 not making enough power and not sounding nice enough its being fitted to a luxury saloon that has to be comfortable and in Volvo's case environmentaly friendly, the engine emits less emission than any other V8 and from hearing it sounds nice enough if the sound is subdued by the exhaust system.
Naturally they could make it more powerfull and sound nicer but whats the point when it wont fit in with what they want from the car!
The interior is of a very high standard, seats will be most comfortable in class, it will have the Dynaudio sound systems easily best in class, will be the safest in class and the AWD system does provide a decent drive.
Also with comments of the cars are the wrong wheel drive, that only applies to the person or where the car is being used. In sweden where theres alot of snow and ice who wants RWD? No one. Im not a rally driver and wouldnt like to try and handle alot of power from the RWD and much prefer the safer more predicatble FWD layout which is no slower on our crowded roads.
Naturally they could make it more powerfull and sound nicer but whats the point when it wont fit in with what they want from the car!
The interior is of a very high standard, seats will be most comfortable in class, it will have the Dynaudio sound systems easily best in class, will be the safest in class and the AWD system does provide a decent drive.
Also with comments of the cars are the wrong wheel drive, that only applies to the person or where the car is being used. In sweden where theres alot of snow and ice who wants RWD? No one. Im not a rally driver and wouldnt like to try and handle alot of power from the RWD and much prefer the safer more predicatble FWD layout which is no slower on our crowded roads.
Don't think Lexus would be impressed to hear you think Dynaudio (who only makes speakers, not the electronics) are the best in class. Madrigal Labs Mark Levinson brand (as in the Lexus LS430) is considered THE premium design.
B&O have also done a system for Audi - again they'd like to think they're up there with ML, and ahead of Dynaudio.
B&O have also done a system for Audi - again they'd like to think they're up there with ML, and ahead of Dynaudio.
pjskel said:Don't know about brand names 'cos I'm not a brand name person but i) I can tell you that against an Audi and 2 x other exec cars Volvo came out absolute tops in a car-audio magazine test 6 or 7 months ago and... ii) I drive them and I assure you if you opt for the "premium" installation the Volvo manufacturer's fit in car system will blow your socks off!
Don't think Lexus would be impressed to hear you think Dynaudio...
The Volvo premium Audio set up doesnt sound that good compared to the Dynaudio but is still good.
The lexus system is very very good but not as good as Dynaudio, tried them side by side, it is splitting hairs a bit at low volumes however higher up volumes the Dynaudio wins through quite easily.
With regards to the electronics the Volvo systems actually use B&O and I believe Alpine but will have to check that, they also use all digital class D amps aswell which are very impressive and Dynaudio make some of the best speakers in the world, massively better than anything B&O offer (good at electronics but crap at speakers as there just Philips at the end of the day).
The lexus system is very very good but not as good as Dynaudio, tried them side by side, it is splitting hairs a bit at low volumes however higher up volumes the Dynaudio wins through quite easily.
With regards to the electronics the Volvo systems actually use B&O and I believe Alpine but will have to check that, they also use all digital class D amps aswell which are very impressive and Dynaudio make some of the best speakers in the world, massively better than anything B&O offer (good at electronics but crap at speakers as there just Philips at the end of the day).
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