FORD GT40 MKII 1/12TH TRUMPETER

FORD GT40 MKII 1/12TH TRUMPETER

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henryk001

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590 posts

164 months

Wednesday 20th March 2019
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I relented to purchase this kit as i couldnt find anything around to build in 1/12th scale.
The only kit i could find was the discontinued Trumpeter one, a few still floating around the Web.
There are other diecast built models of varying quality out there but i wanted to build up a car to sit together with the ferrari 250 GTO ive built.
I also purchased the spare wheel,KA 00007 detail kit and Meng nuts and bolts in a attempt to bring out detail to replace missing detail and poor toylike aspects of this model, especially around the engine, gearbox.The rest of the kit looks great for detail and scaling. Its a challange im happy to embark on.
Started this kit last weekend.Theres Chrome, too much of it on so many parts ive had to bleach it off.
Im not doing a racing version or of any historical interest, just building a car id like to own one day. "If you dont have a dream how you going to make a dream come true"
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The real thing, inlet manifold for Ford FE V8 to compare to.

The real thing, Ford T44 Gearbox to compare to.
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Other missing detail, no Distributor,no seperation lines for crankcase, cylinder head, no crancase breather, no starter motor etc. So ive already got some work to do before i really go into making this.
Less talk, more pictures.I trust this will help anyone out who may want to build the kit with extra detail.
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Cheers for now. Back to work

AshVX220

5,933 posts

196 months

Wednesday 20th March 2019
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Settling in with some popcorn to watch this thread grow. smile

Out of interest, how do these kits compare to something like Pocher (which I always assumed were the really Gucci car kits)?

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Wednesday 20th March 2019
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AshVX220 said:
Settling in with some popcorn to watch this thread grow. smile

Out of interest, how do these kits compare to something like Pocher (which I always assumed were the really Gucci car kits)?
Hi Ash.
Very poor quality kit compared to Pocher. Looking at the GT40 kit only, it’s like they had a really good development engineer for the bodywork and detail parts, which is very good but left the engine, suspention development to a novice who just learnt to use cad/cam to deal with it. Like they couldn’t be bothered.Way to much chrome on most of the wrong parts.The Pocher stands on its own for detail, quality and there’s a company somewhere that does super detail kits for Pocher. I’ve built a Alfa Romeo car years ago,but realised it was too big to start building and collecting. If your a builder, the best detailed and reasonably priced kits are As far as im concearned Tamiya, there 1/24 scale kits are good as well.

AshVX220

5,933 posts

196 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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henryk001 said:
Hi Ash.
Very poor quality kit compared to Pocher. Looking at the GT40 kit only, it’s like they had a really good development engineer for the bodywork and detail parts, which is very good but left the engine, suspention development to a novice who just learnt to use cad/cam to deal with it. Like they couldn’t be bothered.Way to much chrome on most of the wrong parts.The Pocher stands on its own for detail, quality and there’s a company somewhere that does super detail kits for Pocher. I’ve built a Alfa Romeo car years ago,but realised it was too big to start building and collecting. If your a builder, the best detailed and reasonably priced kits are As far as im concearned Tamiya, there 1/24 scale kits are good as well.
Hi Henry,
thanks for the reply, I'm not a modeller any more. I used to years ago, but was never anywhere near the talent of the guys on these threads (yourself included). I'd just heard of Pocher as being really nice (but expensive) kits. Was your Ferrari kit as good as a Pocher, or was it the additions you made or bought that really brought it to life?
Either way, really looking forward to another cool build thread to follow. thumbup

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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AshVX220 said:
Hi Henry,
thanks for the reply, I'm not a modeller any more. I used to years ago, but was never anywhere near the talent of the guys on these threads (yourself included). I'd just heard of Pocher as being really nice (but expensive) kits. Was your Ferrari kit as good as a Pocher, or was it the additions you made or bought that really brought it to life?
Either way, really looking forward to another cool build thread to follow. thumbup
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Hi! Ash.
Yes the Pocher kits are nice. The Ferrari kit, detailed parts are of the scale from Hiroboy in the UK had everything other than paint, glue and tools to make up the car.
Take a look on their website pick a car (full media kit) in 1.12th and you will see pictures of all the parts supplied with these kits.
The quality on materials are superb other than the white metal castings which as normal would need to be cleaned up.
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Resin body, cast white metal parts, bonnet and boot, nickel silver wire, stainless tube, brass rod,turned alluminium,polished stainless parts, aluminium stampings for window fames tiny screws,rivets, plastic parts,loads of photo etched, leather, rubber etc,etc.

AshVX220

5,933 posts

196 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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henryk001 said:
AshVX220 said:
Hi Henry,
thanks for the reply, I'm not a modeller any more. I used to years ago, but was never anywhere near the talent of the guys on these threads (yourself included). I'd just heard of Pocher as being really nice (but expensive) kits. Was your Ferrari kit as good as a Pocher, or was it the additions you made or bought that really brought it to life?
Either way, really looking forward to another cool build thread to follow. thumbup
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Hi! Ash.
Yes the Pocher kits are nice. The Ferrari kit, detailed parts are of the scale from Hiroboy in the UK had everything other than paint, glue and tools to make up the car.
Take a look on their website pick a car (full media kit) in 1.12th and you will see pictures of all the parts supplied with these kits.
The quality on materials are superb other than the white metal castings which as normal would need to be cleaned up.
Materials were .
Resin body, cast white metal parts, bonnet and boot, nickel silver wire, stainless tube, brass rod,turned alluminium,polished stainless parts, aluminium stampings for window fames tiny screws,rivets, plastic parts,loads of photo etched, leather, rubber etc,etc.
eek No wonder they cost big bucks!

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Friday 22nd March 2019
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So more detail work.Did a anodised look to hopefully reflect some missing parts im going to make
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Gearbox endcover nuts added
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The Crankcase Ford blue was painted quite roughly as the casting would be rough.
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Distributor made with a sprue, cable tubing , CA glue , fast activator and turned down.
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Cheers for now

robemcdonald

9,121 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd March 2019
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That is mad! Brilliant, but mad.

I think mine is going to be shelved after this build.

henryk001

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590 posts

164 months

Friday 22nd March 2019
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robemcdonald said:
That is mad! Brilliant, but mad.

I think mine is going to be shelved after this build.
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Hi Rob, Don’t shelve the kit. You know you want to build it. Let me turn my madness into a stroke of genius. The kit cost 1/3 compared to the Ferrari. Including all the extras I bought.
All I need to do now is invest some free time. There are spare parts left over from the Ferrari that can be modified I can use. Broken models I’ve kept over the years. It will never be a quality build compared to the MFH kit, but I’ve saved myself a “monkey”. Your skills alone would make a quality model I’m sure. Go for it, or sell it you will probably double your investment depending on when you purchased yours. Cheers for now

henryk001

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590 posts

164 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Heres some more.
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Ive jumped a couple of sections to do the detail kit pulleys,coolant pipes, hoses to add and hose clips to make (12 off).
Its just miniature origami. Cheers for now.

robemcdonald

9,121 posts

202 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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My only criticism is that you use Revell cement. Should be Tamiya extra thin......
Just kidding. You’re flying through this one.

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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robemcdonald said:
My only criticism is that you use Revell cement. Should be Tamiya extra thin......
Just kidding. You’re flying through this one.
The revel cement is about 15 years old. It won’t glue, and I was going to throw it away but found that it does help with holding things in position and allowing the part to be manipulated before finally using extra thin which is pretty instant. I don’t know if I’m rushing this or not but it’s going a lot easier being all plastic than having to file and clean up so many metal parts in my previous build. Sorry to read about the cxxp you were getting on another forum. If that’s what they are about I’m not going there nor want to be associated to it. Cheers

CanAm

9,985 posts

278 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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henryk001 said:
I'm not doing a racing version or of any historical interest, just building a car I'd like to own one day.
Good thinking; the rivet counters won't be able to find anything to fault! biggrin

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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CanAm said:
Good thinking; the rivet counters won't be able to find anything to fault! biggrin
Yes phew!. I wonder what the reaction would be when I show my out of scale hose clips.rolleyesspinrolleyeseeklaughheherotate
It’s a hobby,folly,craft or art.Like or don’t like. Each to ones own

CanAm

9,985 posts

278 months

Monday 25th March 2019
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I have to admit to being one of those dreaded "rivet counters" when it comes to the McLaren/Amon GT40. redcard

It was raced again in different colours after its Le Mans win and in updated MkIIb trim in 1967. Ford later repainted it black and silver, but still in 1967 trim. The Trumpeter kit is an accurate model of this car, but not of the 1966 race winner! I have a painting (well print) of the car at the 1966 race with the same errors and it drives me mad. mad

I'm pleased to say that the car has recently been (very) accurately restored to its race-winning condition.

henryk001

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590 posts

164 months

Monday 25th March 2019
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CanAm said:
I have to admit to being one of those dreaded "rivet counters" when it comes to the McLaren/Amon GT40. redcard

It was raced again in different colours after its Le Mans win and in updated MkIIb trim in 1967. Ford later repainted it black and silver, but still in 1967 trim. The Trumpeter kit is an accurate model of this car, but not of the 1966 race winner! I have a painting (well print) of the car at the 1966 race with the same errors and it drives me mad. mad

I'm pleased to say that the car has recently been (very) accurately restored to its race-winning condition.
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Is this the web-site for the rebuilt car? .
http://gt40.rkmotorscharlotte.com/car/
Im using it as a reference for the tiny details to help me on my model.
I think its ok to be critical about the history of the particular car you have a interest in, so i wouldnt class you as a rivit counter. smile. Moreover as a true enthusiast. Cheers


CanAm

9,985 posts

278 months

Monday 25th March 2019
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henryk001 said:
Is this the web-site for the rebuilt car? .
http://gt40.rkmotorscharlotte.com/car/
Im using it as a reference for the tiny details to help me on my model.
I think its ok to be critical about the history of the particular car you have a interest in, so i wouldnt class you as a rivit counter. smile. Moreover as a true enthusiast. Cheer

That's the one!

One thing I only recently found out was that the 'monocoques' were dark blue, not black. Most of the period photos were black and white and you have to be very careful that photos you're using aren't of restored cars. Except this one! smile

Of course, as a 'What If' car, you could have had it in any finish you liked. biggrin

Edited by CanAm on Monday 25th March 18:36

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Monday 25th March 2019
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CanAm said:
That's the one!

One thing I only recently found out was that the 'monocoques' were dark blue, not black. Most of the period photos were black and white and you have to be very careful that photos you're using aren't of restored cars. Except this one! smile

Of course, as a 'What If' car, you could have had it in any finish you liked. biggrin

Edited by CanAm on Monday 25th March 18:36
Yes I like the idea of the blue, doing it in a dark blue and thinking about finishing the body in a dark metallic silver/grey. Talking about rivet counting, I recently surcomed to rivet counting flu. I found a site of a very good modeller who was building this kit to a very high quality, but noticed that he had added a oil filter assembly to the side of the crankcase when it should have been installed as a stand alone unit on the chassis.I haven’t mentioned it. “ oh no I’m turning to the dark side. eekeekeeknutssilly

henryk001

Original Poster:

590 posts

164 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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Heres a bit of extra work using the supplied KA models PE hose clips but i dont like them very much. Im going to make them in the same way on the other coolant pipe as i did on the Ferrari.

Heat shrink expanded (yes not shrunk) over the pipes
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Found the screws nut assembly a bit to clunky for my liking
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Heat shrink for the other side
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Ka models white metal pulleys used
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Cheers for now.


henryk001

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590 posts

164 months

Thursday 28th March 2019
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Some photos.
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Next project to add details is drive shaft flanges to the gearbox faces (M3 washer + Meng nuts and rubber boots) from a broken old model i kept for many years.
Cheers for now.