GB: Academy : DR_GN

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perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Tuesday 15th February 2011
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have to say many of the pics I've taken have been fit for the bin but last night I tried my little tripod and macro and they worked far better, as you say

All of dr_gn's pictures have far exceeded mine though

More stuff to learn and well worth the learning of

doc you say the wheel well green is darkening as you play with the surface, is there a varnish finish that might lighten the effects at all?

I'm blimmin' glad the Typhoon has more basic detailing for the doors than the Tempest, it would keep me up all night trying to rework those!

dr_gn

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16,199 posts

186 months

Tuesday 15th February 2011
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Perdu,

As the previous poster said: Tripod and self timer. I use a normal tungsten Anglepoise lamp for light. Daylight is best, but there isn't any at the moment!

Light varnish? Yup, but I've only just eliminated getting a lightening effect! It looked terrible on the '109 and had to be re-coated with Klear before getting it better at second attempt.


dr_gn

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186 months

Tuesday 15th February 2011
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Fuselage together and wings and tailplane fitted. Wohooo.







A few gaps to fill, particularly the flap wells and the rear of the radiator shroud, which was completely the wrong profile for the front of the wing section.


perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Tuesday 15th February 2011
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nice

going to be yet another dr_gn triumph I feel

I like the innards, very good overall "look" to them in the model

pacman1

7,323 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th February 2011
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Shame about those crappy yellow decals on the underside of the wings. Haven't you got any proper roundels?

dr_gn

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Wednesday 16th February 2011
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It's looking OK. The masking tape is just so I remember no to overspray the lights!

I think the instrument panel is way too far forward, but it can't fit any further back with the Resin Art kit. That's where it says to put it in the R.A. instructions too, but I think it's wrong.

perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th February 2011
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I see what you mean about the instrument panel, it should be a little towards the back but I expect this is to allow the substructure that carries the reflector sight to sit just in front of it. I'm just making up that part for the Tiffie today I hope (plans - mice - men - etcetera!)

I think it will all pull together when closed up

Still looks good

far busier than mine but I have to draw a line, with my present eyesight restrictions

Didn't realise I have become as blindasabat frown

dr_gn

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Wednesday 16th February 2011
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perdu said:
I see what you mean about the instrument panel, it should be a little towards the back but I expect this is to allow the substructure that carries the reflector sight to sit just in front of it. I'm just making up that part for the Tiffie today I hope (plans - mice - men - etcetera!)

I think it will all pull together when closed up

Still looks good

far busier than mine but I have to draw a line, with my present eyesight restrictions

Didn't realise I have become as blindasabat frown
Having looked a bit further, what makes it seem bad is the fact that the area underneath the windscreen is pretty much solid on the Academy kit. It should actually be completely cut away so that the front of the cockpit opening is defined by the lower edges of the windscreen:



The instrument panel is then obviously much more visible because it's not hidden underneath a cover. I did this tonight, and it looks better. Probably still a couple of mm out, but it'll have to do: nothing much to be done considering how the detail kit fits together.

BTW the Tempest II and Typhoon are different in this area.

perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th February 2011
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They are you are 100% rght there

The Tiffie's framework for the reflector sight seems more prominent

as per the "very black in there" picture I posted ages ago

Since the whole front end structure is somewhat elongated on the Tempest you would expect a different structural fix around there

Anyway

You are still looking to be making another good'un

Eric Mc

122,332 posts

267 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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Hawkers moved very slowly from tube framing to monocoque. I was chatting to someone at my model club on Monday and he said that they more or less used a similar spaceframe in the cockpit area from the Fury bi-plane right through to the Tempesy and only went completely monocoque with the Fury/Sea Fury.

perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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Almost the first thing I noticed when I started on the Typhoon was that lack of an instrument coaming in the front end, so I cut away the Frog plastic to be clear under the windscreen.

It makes a huge difference in practise!

Sorry

I ought to have mentioned it to all you guys on the GB, it is similar on both machines but the Typhoon has a more noticable tubular structure where "ordinary airyplanes" have dash coaming

The whole point of making notes is to help others after all.

dr_gn

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Thursday 17th February 2011
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perdu said:
Almost the first thing I noticed when I started on the Typhoon was that lack of an instrument coaming in the front end, so I cut away the Frog plastic to be clear under the windscreen.

It makes a huge difference in practise!

Sorry

I ought to have mentioned it to all you guys on the GB, it is similar on both machines but the Typhoon has a more noticable tubular structure where "ordinary airyplanes" have dash coaming

The whole point of making notes is to help others after all.
...I think there are only about 5 people actually building one!

dr_gn

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186 months

Friday 18th February 2011
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perdu said:
Almost the first thing I noticed when I started on the Typhoon was that lack of an instrument coaming in the front end, so I cut away the Frog plastic to be clear under the windscreen.

It makes a huge difference in practise!

Sorry

I ought to have mentioned it to all you guys on the GB, it is similar on both machines but the Typhoon has a more noticable tubular structure where "ordinary airyplanes" have dash coaming

The whole point of making notes is to help others after all.
I think what I'll do is cut the blind flying rectangle off the Resin Art panel, detail it a bit and then glue it over the existing, too far back panel. This will move it forward a bit, and also make the Academy panel more realistic.

Yertis

18,164 posts

268 months

Friday 18th February 2011
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dr_gn said:
...I think there are only about 5 people actually building one!
Well I'm still in, although you two have set the bar pretty high for me! biggrin

It's good to have such high standards to aim for – one of my questions was going to be "what colour is the coaming?". Now I know.

pacman1

7,323 posts

195 months

Friday 18th February 2011
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I shall be starting mine soon, not really had the time so far, other than to post on here!

perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Friday 18th February 2011
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Yertis said:
dr_gn said:
...I think there are only about 5 people actually building one!
Well I'm still in, although you two have set the bar pretty high for me! biggrin

It's good to have such high standards to aim for – one of my questions was going to be "what colour is the coaming?". Now I know.
It's good to help smile

I'll update the Tiffie thread this evening, spent today in A&E for Xrays. It seems clavicles don't bend well. frown

dr_gn

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16,199 posts

186 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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Hope everything OK with Perdu! A&E is the worst place to wait. And it usually is a wait.

So I cut the central instrument panel out of the Resin Art set and glued it onto my already fitted one to move it back a bit (retaining the angled side pieces of the original) I also used 6 of RedFirecrackers excellent instrument decals to make it even more noticable! In conjunction with the opened up instrument panel cover, It all looks much better now. Control column is posed forward (nearly touching the compass!) because the elevators will be drooped.





I've decided to use the Resin Art acetate canopy becasue it gives less distortion, and looks good with a coat of Klear:



Next job, final sanding and rescribing. Then paint, weathering and finished. Learning a lot from this one, which is good.

Edited by dr_gn on Saturday 19th February 00:12

Gokartmozart

1,645 posts

207 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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Really nice work.

FYI

Posted this is BTP

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/xforums/topic.asp?h=0...

I know it's off topic but your thread is the most active and would gain the most exposure, there is a nice colour shot of a Walrus in the collection.

perdu

4,884 posts

201 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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That does look the business

I like the canopy too, far better than any moulded polystyrene one

I'll be moulding mine too and adding the roof bulge that allows the rear view mirror to be out of the airflow

The reflector sight looks nice, a definite bonus from your resin kit and RFs instruments are dead cool too

(mine will be less impressive but it'll have to do)

Seems I snapped the very outer end of the collar bone last Monday, I found something sticking up, pressed down on it and made it go where it should have. Lucky huh! Lots of sling work now, just when I don't need it.

Three hours fifty eight minutes in the car park at the Hospital

Two more minutes and we'd have been up another quideek

dr_gn

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Saturday 19th February 2011
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Gokartmozart said:
Really nice work.

FYI

Posted this is BTP

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/xforums/topic.asp?h=0...

I know it's off topic but your thread is the most active and would gain the most exposure, there is a nice colour shot of a Walrus in the collection.
Thanks for posting those they are a great find. The Walrus is even in the 3 tone camo I wanted to model!

Some good illustrations of weathering in amongst those too. Someone was asking about the validity of pre-shading panel lines, there's a desert camo Spitfire in there that shows it up quite well.

Cheers