Airfix 1:24th Scale mossie - CAD on youtube

[beefcake42]

I have a 1/24th FW 190 in the garage boxed and un touched.. one the many samples I was sent that never got made.

Maybe I should get on and build it.. I have nearly put my kits on ebay soooo many times.

[tdm34ds]

dr_gn said:

Bushmaster said:

Has it got removeable panels or is all that internal detail lost as soon as you glue the engine covers/nose cone, etc in place?

Let's face it, it's Airfix, so in the end it will probably be crap. and £130??? Don't think so!

IMO the trouble with such a large scale model is that the detail requirement goes up almost exponetionally with size, so even though it looks really detailed, it probably won't look that amazing in the flesh when finished. You'd have to model every single pipe clip and screw to do a model in that sale justice.

It doesn't look HALF as good as Tamiya's new 1:32 Spitfire, which is a smaller scale, but still manages to have more detail than Airfix's 1:24 Mosquito:

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/60319spitfi...

Check out that engine & the photographic reference book: Tamiya know how to make models...

Edited by dr_gn on Saturday 10th October 22:41

Someone pass some Humble pie to dr_gn!! I've been building model aircraft kits for 40 years!
and i've never seen such a blinkered attitude to a kit, Sure the Tamiya Spit is stunning
but given Tamiyas reputation you'd expect nothing else, Airfix have alway been pocket money models
and the quality was reflected in this. But having seen more photos published today on the
Britmodeller website I think Airfix have pulled off a minor miracle, this Mossie replica
could pass for any manufacturer Tamiya included, I have been an avid Mossie fan for as long as I can
remember and believe me from the Photos that have been published it looks incredibly accurate.
To all those who consider this kit too expensive, Tamiya have just re-released their 1/48th
Mossie complete with a staff car and it retails for £45!!

I've got three Mossies on order now and one Tamiya Spitfire. We won't be able to judge them until
the moment we open the box and gaze down at the contents

Some Pics from Yeovilton today (shamelessly purloined from the Britmodeller site)

Edited by tdm34ds on Saturday 17th October 23:12

[dr_gn]

tdm34ds said:

dr_gn said:

Bushmaster said:

Has it got removeable panels or is all that internal detail lost as soon as you glue the engine covers/nose cone, etc in place?

Let's face it, it's Airfix, so in the end it will probably be crap. and £130??? Don't think so!

IMO the trouble with such a large scale model is that the detail requirement goes up almost exponetionally with size, so even though it looks really detailed, it probably won't look that amazing in the flesh when finished. You'd have to model every single pipe clip and screw to do a model in that sale justice.

It doesn't look HALF as good as Tamiya's new 1:32 Spitfire, which is a smaller scale, but still manages to have more detail than Airfix's 1:24 Mosquito:

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/60319spitfi...

Check out that engine & the photographic reference book: Tamiya know how to make models...

Edited by dr_gn on Saturday 10th October 22:41

Someone pass some Humble pie to dr_gn!! I've been building model aircraft kits for 40 years!
and i've never seen such a blinkered attitude to a kit, Sure the Tamiya Spit is stunning
but given Tamiyas reputation you'd expect nothing else, Airfix have alway been pocket money models
and the quality was reflected in this. But having seen more photos published today on the
Britmodeller website I think Airfix have pulled off a minor miracle, this Mossie replica
could pass for any manufacturer Tamiya included, I have been an avid Mossie fan for as long as I can
remember and believe me from the Photos that have been published it looks incredibly accurate.
To all those who consider this kit too expensive, Tamiya have just re-released their 1/48th
Mossie complete with a staff car and it retails for £45!!

I've got three Mossies on order now and one Tamiya Spitfire. We won't be able to judge them until
the moment we open the box and gaze down at the contents

Some Pics from Yeovilton today (shamelessly purloined from the Britmodeller site)

Mmmmmmmmm. Tamiya 1:48 Mosquito + car for £45? Why is that expensive compared with the Airfix Mosquito? It's 1.5x bigger, but nearly 3x more expensive...and, for all practical purposes, not much more detailed.

Just my opinion obviously, but most Airfix models I have built (even the more modern ones) just don't fit together that well. I'd reckon a 1:24 Mosquito would take one hell of a lot of extra detailing work to make it look as good as a well built and detailed 1:48 example.

[B Oeuf]

I'm surprised the canopy is a one piece affair, I'd have liked the option to build the version with the blister in it too

[B Oeuf]

tdm34ds said:

and the quality was reflected in this. But having seen more photos published today on the
Britmodeller website

just saw that.......and more to the point they say a Buccaneer is on the way!!!!

Yay!

[dr_gn]

B Oeuf said:

I'm surprised the canopy is a one piece affair,

Especially since the rest of the model seems crazily over complicated: about 11 individual parts for the forward cockpit floor, and about another 10 for the pilots seat...not to mention the multiple tubular braces in the bomb bay. I suppose it's cheaper to produce a lot of relatively simple dies, than fewer, but more complex ones (which would require multi-piece dies). I bet this thing is a nightmare to build. At least it will be a true Airfix model in that respect!

Still can't get over the £130 price tag.

[tdm34ds]

dr_gn said:

B Oeuf said:

I'm surprised the canopy is a one piece affair,

Especially since the rest of the model seems crazily over complicated: about 11 individual parts for the forward cockpit floor, and about another 10 for the pilots seat...not to mention the multiple tubular braces in the bomb bay. I suppose it's cheaper to produce a lot of relatively simple dies, than fewer, but more complex ones (which would require multi-piece dies). I bet this thing is a nightmare to build. At least it will be a true Airfix model in that respect!

Still can't get over the £130 price tag.

Have you seen the cockpit pictures of the Tamiya Spitfire? that seems to be quite busy as well.
Obviously the Mossie will be for experts, just like the Tamiya Spit.

I've got to ask why you keep going on about the price tag? the Spit is £100 at retail,
the Mossie is a lot bigger has two of everything has a lot more ordenance on it, it uses
Cartograf Decals, apparently over 600 parts so I don't see what the problem is.

The parts breakdown in the bombay area and the seat area is justified because if it wasn't done
that way it wouldn't be accurate.

Once again I suggest that all the NaySaying Airfix Knockers keep their powder dry until you see
one built, then and only THEN can you comment, now i'm not saying the Mossie's perfect and it's
not but looking at the Photos ive seen one or two issues which may only be because it's the
Demo model and a couple of things have droppped or have been knocked off due to misshandling
But thet're very minor and are easily sorted

It's easy to knock Airfix because of the past, but judging by the apparent quality of the Mossie
they're definately back in the game and we should be grateful that this Company (backed by Hornby)
can up their game so dramatically. If the Mossie is well recieved then they'll offer more new
subjects for our delectation. There apparently is a postwar 1/24th Jet in the wings at the moment
(praying that it's a Lightning) and a 1/72nd Valiant V-Bomber next year together with a 1/48th
Sea Vixen next Year. All subjects that havn't been covered by other manufacturers.

[tdm34ds]

B Oeuf said:

I'm surprised the canopy is a one piece affair, I'd have liked the option to build the version with the blister in it too

The NFII and FBVI versions featured in this kit where never fitted with blistered canopies

[dr_gn]

tdm34ds said:

dr_gn said:

B Oeuf said:

I'm surprised the canopy is a one piece affair,

Especially since the rest of the model seems crazily over complicated: about 11 individual parts for the forward cockpit floor, and about another 10 for the pilots seat...not to mention the multiple tubular braces in the bomb bay. I suppose it's cheaper to produce a lot of relatively simple dies, than fewer, but more complex ones (which would require multi-piece dies). I bet this thing is a nightmare to build. At least it will be a true Airfix model in that respect!

Still can't get over the £130 price tag.

Have you seen the cockpit pictures of the Tamiya Spitfire? that seems to be quite busy as well.
Obviously the Mossie will be for experts, just like the Tamiya Spit.

I've got to ask why you keep going on about the price tag? the Spit is £100 at retail,
the Mossie is a lot bigger has two of everything has a lot more ordenance on it, it uses
Cartograf Decals, apparently over 600 parts so I don't see what the problem is.

The parts breakdown in the bombay area and the seat area is justified because if it wasn't done
that way it wouldn't be accurate.

Once again I suggest that all the NaySaying Airfix Knockers keep their powder dry until you see
one built, then and only THEN can you comment, now i'm not saying the Mossie's perfect and it's
not but looking at the Photos ive seen one or two issues which may only be because it's the
Demo model and a couple of things have droppped or have been knocked off due to misshandling
But thet're very minor and are easily sorted

It's easy to knock Airfix because of the past, but judging by the apparent quality of the Mossie
they're definately back in the game and we should be grateful that this Company (backed by Hornby)
can up their game so dramatically. If the Mossie is well recieved then they'll offer more new
subjects for our delectation. There apparently is a postwar 1/24th Jet in the wings at the moment
(praying that it's a Lightning) and a 1/72nd Valiant V-Bomber next year together with a 1/48th
Sea Vixen next Year. All subjects that havn't been covered by other manufacturers.

A few years ago (OK, about 15), I bought a 1:72 Airfix Tucano. After detailing the cockpit and installing the pilots, the canopy wouldn't fit over the heads of the pilots because they were such an appalling fit in the seats that they ended up about 3mm too high. I assumed I'd made a mistake, but it was all correct. The model went in the bin.

I also tried a 1:72 Tornado. The engine intakes look like they were designed for a totally different model. They literally fit where they touch. These were not mega cheap models. The thought of spending £130 on a model manufactured by the same company seems to be asking for trouble. BTW, to be fair, I tried another Airfix Tucano more recently, and the canopy did fit (different pilot mouldings), but it's still a very crude model even when compared with a 1963 edition Revell SE5a which I built (out of nostalgia) at about the same time.

[sjn2004]

dr_gn said:

tdm34ds said:

dr_gn said:

Bushmaster said:

Has it got removeable panels or is all that internal detail lost as soon as you glue the engine covers/nose cone, etc in place?

Let's face it, it's Airfix, so in the end it will probably be crap. and £130??? Don't think so!

IMO the trouble with such a large scale model is that the detail requirement goes up almost exponetionally with size, so even though it looks really detailed, it probably won't look that amazing in the flesh when finished. You'd have to model every single pipe clip and screw to do a model in that sale justice.

It doesn't look HALF as good as Tamiya's new 1:32 Spitfire, which is a smaller scale, but still manages to have more detail than Airfix's 1:24 Mosquito:

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/60319spitfi...

Check out that engine & the photographic reference book: Tamiya know how to make models...

Edited by dr_gn on Saturday 10th October 22:41

Someone pass some Humble pie to dr_gn!! I've been building model aircraft kits for 40 years!
and i've never seen such a blinkered attitude to a kit, Sure the Tamiya Spit is stunning
but given Tamiyas reputation you'd expect nothing else, Airfix have alway been pocket money models
and the quality was reflected in this. But having seen more photos published today on the
Britmodeller website I think Airfix have pulled off a minor miracle, this Mossie replica
could pass for any manufacturer Tamiya included, I have been an avid Mossie fan for as long as I can
remember and believe me from the Photos that have been published it looks incredibly accurate.
To all those who consider this kit too expensive, Tamiya have just re-released their 1/48th
Mossie complete with a staff car and it retails for £45!!

I've got three Mossies on order now and one Tamiya Spitfire. We won't be able to judge them until
the moment we open the box and gaze down at the contents

Some Pics from Yeovilton today (shamelessly purloined from the Britmodeller site)

Mmmmmmmmm. Tamiya 1:48 Mosquito + car for £45? Why is that expensive compared with the Airfix Mosquito? It's 1.5x bigger, but nearly 3x more expensive...and, for all practical purposes, not much more detailed.

Just my opinion obviously, but most Airfix models I have built (even the more modern ones) just don't fit together that well. I'd reckon a 1:24 Mosquito would take one hell of a lot of extra detailing work to make it look as good as a well built and detailed 1:48 example.

Actually its 1/24 vs 1/48 so infact the Airfix model will be x8 larger in volume terms.

[dr_gn]

sjn2004 said:

dr_gn said:

tdm34ds said:

dr_gn said:

Bushmaster said:

Has it got removeable panels or is all that internal detail lost as soon as you glue the engine covers/nose cone, etc in place?

Let's face it, it's Airfix, so in the end it will probably be crap. and £130??? Don't think so!

IMO the trouble with such a large scale model is that the detail requirement goes up almost exponetionally with size, so even though it looks really detailed, it probably won't look that amazing in the flesh when finished. You'd have to model every single pipe clip and screw to do a model in that sale justice.

It doesn't look HALF as good as Tamiya's new 1:32 Spitfire, which is a smaller scale, but still manages to have more detail than Airfix's 1:24 Mosquito:

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/60319spitfi...

Check out that engine & the photographic reference book: Tamiya know how to make models...

Edited by dr_gn on Saturday 10th October 22:41

Someone pass some Humble pie to dr_gn!! I've been building model aircraft kits for 40 years!
and i've never seen such a blinkered attitude to a kit, Sure the Tamiya Spit is stunning
but given Tamiyas reputation you'd expect nothing else, Airfix have alway been pocket money models
and the quality was reflected in this. But having seen more photos published today on the
Britmodeller website I think Airfix have pulled off a minor miracle, this Mossie replica
could pass for any manufacturer Tamiya included, I have been an avid Mossie fan for as long as I can
remember and believe me from the Photos that have been published it looks incredibly accurate.
To all those who consider this kit too expensive, Tamiya have just re-released their 1/48th
Mossie complete with a staff car and it retails for £45!!

I've got three Mossies on order now and one Tamiya Spitfire. We won't be able to judge them until
the moment we open the box and gaze down at the contents

Some Pics from Yeovilton today (shamelessly purloined from the Britmodeller site)

Mmmmmmmmm. Tamiya 1:48 Mosquito + car for £45? Why is that expensive compared with the Airfix Mosquito? It's 1.5x bigger, but nearly 3x more expensive...and, for all practical purposes, not much more detailed.

Just my opinion obviously, but most Airfix models I have built (even the more modern ones) just don't fit together that well. I'd reckon a 1:24 Mosquito would take one hell of a lot of extra detailing work to make it look as good as a well built and detailed 1:48 example.

Actually its 1/24 vs 1/48 so infact the Airfix model will be x8 larger in volume terms.

[EDIT: previous post should have been 2x size, 3x cost]

So, if you put them side-by side on a shelf, it would look 8 times bigger would it? No, It would look twice as big. You'd obviously compare them in terms of span.

The volume of plastic used would probably be more like 4x the amount if you assume similar section thicknesses and detail level.

Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 18th October 22:04

[tdm34ds]

dr_gn said:

tdm34ds said:

dr_gn said:

B Oeuf said:

I'm surprised the canopy is a one piece affair,

Especially since the rest of the model seems crazily over complicated: about 11 individual parts for the forward cockpit floor, and about another 10 for the pilots seat...not to mention the multiple tubular braces in the bomb bay. I suppose it's cheaper to produce a lot of relatively simple dies, than fewer, but more complex ones (which would require multi-piece dies). I bet this thing is a nightmare to build. At least it will be a true Airfix model in that respect!

Still can't get over the £130 price tag.

Have you seen the cockpit pictures of the Tamiya Spitfire? that seems to be quite busy as well.
Obviously the Mossie will be for experts, just like the Tamiya Spit.

I've got to ask why you keep going on about the price tag? the Spit is £100 at retail,
the Mossie is a lot bigger has two of everything has a lot more ordenance on it, it uses
Cartograf Decals, apparently over 600 parts so I don't see what the problem is.

The parts breakdown in the bombay area and the seat area is justified because if it wasn't done
that way it wouldn't be accurate.

Once again I suggest that all the NaySaying Airfix Knockers keep their powder dry until you see
one built, then and only THEN can you comment, now i'm not saying the Mossie's perfect and it's
not but looking at the Photos ive seen one or two issues which may only be because it's the
Demo model and a couple of things have droppped or have been knocked off due to misshandling
But thet're very minor and are easily sorted

It's easy to knock Airfix because of the past, but judging by the apparent quality of the Mossie
they're definately back in the game and we should be grateful that this Company (backed by Hornby)
can up their game so dramatically. If the Mossie is well recieved then they'll offer more new
subjects for our delectation. There apparently is a postwar 1/24th Jet in the wings at the moment
(praying that it's a Lightning) and a 1/72nd Valiant V-Bomber next year together with a 1/48th
Sea Vixen next Year. All subjects that havn't been covered by other manufacturers.

A few years ago (OK, about 15), I bought a 1:72 Airfix Tucano. After detailing the cockpit and installing the pilots, the canopy wouldn't fit over the heads of the pilots because they were such an appalling fit in the seats that they ended up about 3mm too high. I assumed I'd made a mistake, but it was all correct. The model went in the bin.

I also tried a 1:72 Tornado. The engine intakes look like they were designed for a totally different model. They literally fit where they touch. These were not mega cheap models. The thought of spending £130 on a model manufactured by the same company seems to be asking for trouble. BTW, to be fair, I tried another Airfix Tucano more recently, and the canopy did fit (different pilot mouldings), but it's still a very crude model even when compared with a 1963 edition Revell SE5a which I built (out of nostalgia) at about the same time.

I'm sure that if you look, you'll find some skeletons in Tamiyas cupboard, obviously
not as many as Airfix has over the years, Shall we agree to disagree on this one, and wait
till the Kit's on the shelf and buildable by us mortals.

[B Oeuf]

tdm34ds said:

If the Mossie is well recieved then they'll offer more new
subjects for our delectation. There apparently is a postwar 1/24th Jet in the wings at the moment
(praying that it's a Lightning)

Buccaneer apparently

[dr_gn]

Airfix Saturn V re-released!

New parts!

Re-tooled!

More accurate!

Great!


(Photo courtesy of Richard_M on Britmodeller)

Oh dear...never mind.

Why didn't they address fundamental issues such as basic parts fit and quality before trying to make the thing look dimensionally more accurate? And you wonder why I wouldn't ever buy Airfix again??

[tdm34ds]

Look you just dont seem capable of accepting that maybe just maybe
Airfix have possibly done a kit to the standard of your precious Tamiya kits
do you?

All you keen doing on doing is trying to precipitate an argument, so for once and
forall i'm not looking at old Airfix Kits, what we're looking at is a
state of the art replica that could have any manufacturer logo on the box!!

Airfix have done some real horrors over the years i'm happy to admit that
but with this kit we could be seeing a re-birth of a great old firm.

I hope that if the kit turns out to be of a high standard you'll be big enough
to admit that you might've been a little hasty in your critisism of this kit,
and on my part if it turns out to be an ill fitting, inaccurate monstrosity
then i'll stand up and say so. (but I hope not as i've already pre-ordered 3 of them)

[dr_gn]

tdm34ds said:

Look you just dont seem capable of accepting that maybe just maybe
Airfix have possibly done a kit to the standard of your precious Tamiya kits
do you?

All you keen doing on doing is trying to precipitate an argument, so for once and
forall i'm not looking at old Airfix Kits, what we're looking at is a
state of the art replica that could have any manufacturer logo on the box!!

Airfix have done some real horrors over the years i'm happy to admit that
but with this kit we could be seeing a re-birth of a great old firm.

I hope that if the kit turns out to be of a high standard you'll be big enough
to admit that you might've been a little hasty in your critisism of this kit,
and on my part if it turns out to be an ill fitting, inaccurate monstrosity
then i'll stand up and say so. (but I hope not as i've already pre-ordered 3 of them)

[tdm34ds]

dr_gn said:

tdm34ds said:

Look you just dont seem capable of accepting that maybe just maybe
Airfix have possibly done a kit to the standard of your precious Tamiya kits
do you?

All you keen doing on doing is trying to precipitate an argument, so for once and
forall i'm not looking at old Airfix Kits, what we're looking at is a
state of the art replica that could have any manufacturer logo on the box!!

Airfix have done some real horrors over the years i'm happy to admit that
but with this kit we could be seeing a re-birth of a great old firm.

I hope that if the kit turns out to be of a high standard you'll be big enough
to admit that you might've been a little hasty in your critisism of this kit,
and on my part if it turns out to be an ill fitting, inaccurate monstrosity
then i'll stand up and say so. (but I hope not as i've already pre-ordered 3 of them)

And a Tamiya Spitfire as well!!

[dr_gn]

tdm34ds said:

dr_gn said:

tdm34ds said:

Look you just dont seem capable of accepting that maybe just maybe
Airfix have possibly done a kit to the standard of your precious Tamiya kits
do you?

All you keen doing on doing is trying to precipitate an argument, so for once and
forall i'm not looking at old Airfix Kits, what we're looking at is a
state of the art replica that could have any manufacturer logo on the box!!

Airfix have done some real horrors over the years i'm happy to admit that
but with this kit we could be seeing a re-birth of a great old firm.

I hope that if the kit turns out to be of a high standard you'll be big enough
to admit that you might've been a little hasty in your critisism of this kit,
and on my part if it turns out to be an ill fitting, inaccurate monstrosity
then i'll stand up and say so. (but I hope not as i've already pre-ordered 3 of them)

And a Tamiya Spitfire as well!!

[dr_gn]

Come on then tdm34ds, enough talk - lets see some of your work on the Scale Models forum...let's see what you're made of

[dr_gn]

Some kind of build log of it here - can't make out whether it's a pre-production version or what:


http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showt...