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I was talking to our cox about steering such a course in close proximity to another boat, and she made the point that the boat steers by moving the rear of the boat across, so you have to be very careful as you are going to move the stern of the boat even closer before the boat starts to veer away - perhaps this is what happened in this case.
Having never coxed that could well be a possibility, however my first thought was that she was simply taking lessons from the Acer Nethercott school of coxing and being far too impatient to push them over when not clear.
That said, I know that there are 8 men who will be her biggest allies tonight. I wouldn't want to be Zoe at the inevitable meeting with Sean Bowden next week though.
That said, I know that there are 8 men who will be her biggest allies tonight. I wouldn't want to be Zoe at the inevitable meeting with Sean Bowden next week though.
10 Pence Short said:
Well what a kerfuffle. Two boats being driven carelessly contrary to Sec. 3 of the boat traffic act nearly collide with a passing swimmer, then one of the paddlers loses half his bat, then when his team loses, another paddler falls asleep at the back of the boat. Crazy!
haha, funny boy. Now redeem yourself by going to get me a glass of wine. Thanks
harry010 said:
Having never coxed that could well be a possibility, however my first thought was that she was simply taking lessons from the Acer Nethercott school of coxing and being far too impatient to push them over when not clear.
Very true- the last few HBRs I've watched as well, Oxford seem to be warned far more than Cambridge (though that may be my Light Blue bias showing), with the worst of it being Osiris' disqualification last year. They seem to fight a lot more for the racing line- and this year it cost them.In other news, glad to hear that the Oxford bow man seems to be OK after that collapse. I'm not surprised that it happened- 4 minutes is not overly long to be on your back gasping for air after a boat race, and that and actually collapsing don't look too different from outside the boat. One of the many hazards of the bow seat, and why I'm glad I don't fit in it (apart from not liking being a windbreak). Pity about the swimming idiot- it looked like it was going to be a much closer race than predicted...
Terrible to see that swimmer.
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The Skulls.
carreauchompeur said:
Utter, utter prick. Smirking as he's led off- typical clever dick "protestah".!
Just what I felt too.Months of training, really hard training and sacrifice, hundreds of thousands watching....... Total cock trying to ruin it for everyone. Completely selfish. Needs a very hard slap.
harry010 said:
Probably not, but that's a call for the umpire to make, and he was happy for them to go.
My problem with Zoe was that she was incroaching well before the restart and was seemingly taking coxing lessons from Acer Nethercott and being a petulant bugger and just not listening when persistently being told to move away.
Her position at the end whn protesting was that she didn't have enough time to move over, however what I heard was her being warned about 7 or 8 times in the minute before the clash, and that is enough time for a rudder change to take effect (according to my best mate who is a cox herself).
Not strictly true as any direction change no matter how small impacts on progress which in a race like this where river position is critical its not that easy. My problem with Zoe was that she was incroaching well before the restart and was seemingly taking coxing lessons from Acer Nethercott and being a petulant bugger and just not listening when persistently being told to move away.
Her position at the end whn protesting was that she didn't have enough time to move over, however what I heard was her being warned about 7 or 8 times in the minute before the clash, and that is enough time for a rudder change to take effect (according to my best mate who is a cox herself).
Also was somewhat concerned that throughout the race from what i could see the umpire was largely calling at Oxford to give space which if i was Oxford cox i would feel was unfair advantage to Cambridge and be unwilling to give ground in the end hence causing the clash whether rightly or wrongly.
NDA said:
Cambridge had nowhere to go - that's why Oxford were being told not to squeeze them. Good umpiring.
I may have put it badly earlier but this is how I see it. It was at the time Cambridge's bend, and Oxford were squeezing too hard without the advantage to do so. No complaints from me, Lizzie, Magdalen College.watching that bought back many memories from steering top quality 8's in the late 60's early seventies.
Oxford had managed to get themselves in the perfect position to squeeze Cambridge out of the best water at the most important part of the course ,but should have been moving at the umpires ask.
They didnt need to steer away , just leave the rudder for a while as they would have been frequently tapping it to make the surrey bend.totyally and easily avoidable.
When we used to squeeze a crew , the stroke would be watching the umpire so we could lay off as they reached for a flag or the speaker .
Racing on the tideway is truly an art , and races are won and lost by the cox , but then I was biassed then too. Regattas on the Thames were fantastic , not sure how many take part there now.
In one HOR we started 35th and I passed 11 crews , finishing 6th o/a with 3 Tideway Scullers School boats in front of us, Quintin Boat Club , fond memories.
Oxford had managed to get themselves in the perfect position to squeeze Cambridge out of the best water at the most important part of the course ,but should have been moving at the umpires ask.
They didnt need to steer away , just leave the rudder for a while as they would have been frequently tapping it to make the surrey bend.totyally and easily avoidable.
When we used to squeeze a crew , the stroke would be watching the umpire so we could lay off as they reached for a flag or the speaker .
Racing on the tideway is truly an art , and races are won and lost by the cox , but then I was biassed then too. Regattas on the Thames were fantastic , not sure how many take part there now.
In one HOR we started 35th and I passed 11 crews , finishing 6th o/a with 3 Tideway Scullers School boats in front of us, Quintin Boat Club , fond memories.
Not so sure that Oxford were even pushing earlier on , I think the Cambridge cox made the grave error of cutting that bend allowing Oxford to come over with them .
Cambridge should have actually been working Oxford over wide from the mile marker down to Harrods before peeling off slightly late into the bend as you seee the line for the bridge , then you look for a certain lampost on the bridge which is the marker .
Cambridge should have actually been working Oxford over wide from the mile marker down to Harrods before peeling off slightly late into the bend as you seee the line for the bridge , then you look for a certain lampost on the bridge which is the marker .
TallbutBuxomly said:
harry010 said:
Probably not, but that's a call for the umpire to make, and he was happy for them to go.
My problem with Zoe was that she was incroaching well before the restart and was seemingly taking coxing lessons from Acer Nethercott and being a petulant bugger and just not listening when persistently being told to move away.
Her position at the end whn protesting was that she didn't have enough time to move over, however what I heard was her being warned about 7 or 8 times in the minute before the clash, and that is enough time for a rudder change to take effect (according to my best mate who is a cox herself).
Not strictly true as any direction change no matter how small impacts on progress which in a race like this where river position is critical its not that easy. My problem with Zoe was that she was incroaching well before the restart and was seemingly taking coxing lessons from Acer Nethercott and being a petulant bugger and just not listening when persistently being told to move away.
Her position at the end whn protesting was that she didn't have enough time to move over, however what I heard was her being warned about 7 or 8 times in the minute before the clash, and that is enough time for a rudder change to take effect (according to my best mate who is a cox herself).
Also was somewhat concerned that throughout the race from what i could see the umpire was largely calling at Oxford to give space which if i was Oxford cox i would feel was unfair advantage to Cambridge and be unwilling to give ground in the end hence causing the clash whether rightly or wrongly.
Oxford seemed to be deliberately crowding Cambridge to try to force them out of the faster water and minimise their advantage. I don't blame them for doing it, a bit of clashing is part and parcel of the Boat Race and the chances of being properly penalised is vanishingly small. I've also never seen a blade break like that due to a side by side clash, so I'm sure they wouldn't have been considering that possibility.
All in Oxford looked to be at fault but were damn unlucky with the outcome, especially as they seemed to be shaping up to win prior to the stoppage.
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