Cricket - England Ashes Tour - Winter 17-18
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
what are the odds on an England collapse and an early finish. If they can dig in and tough this out a draw will feel like a win.
I hardly feel like a prediction expert but its happened so many times before especially in front of a hostile crowd down under.Its going to be a long cold winter.
desolate said:
Smith's big century is effectively the difference between the sides.
Plus the Australians have more pace, more depth in their batting line up and home support and wickets that suit them. I doubt England expected to win in Brisbane but unfortunately I think the differences are a lot more than just Smith’s first innings.
El stovey said:
Plus the Australians have more pace, more depth in their batting line up and home support and wickets that suit them.
I doubt England expected to win in Brisbane but unfortunately I think the differences are a lot more than just Smith’s first innings.
Knock 100 off their first innings and their last innings chase would have been a different prospect. I doubt England expected to win in Brisbane but unfortunately I think the differences are a lot more than just Smith’s first innings.
Fundamentally you are right though - stokes for ball changes our team fundamentally (eg we have Moeen at 8), and it seems wrong that one person can make such a difference, as good as he is.
suthol said:
Gargamel said:
All 11 players on the England side, were born in England.
Hmm, and it shows doesn't it :-)Been away for a while but back for a bit of banter now.
Now we just need the hsv bloke and John the vanishing Pom and it’s like the old days.
suthol said:
Oh well the fat lady has done her bit after our weak team somehow scrambled to a tight win.
Roll on Adelaide and a bit of pink action
Jeez Suthol. You're still alive? Struth. I'm guessing the nurse was kept busy for the past few days keeping you calm and changing your diaper when your convicts were struggling early? Hopefully she's tucked you up with your night time meds and a nice glass of Sanatogen now. Try not to get too excited before Saturday. At your age you can't be too careful. Roll on Adelaide and a bit of pink action
unrepentant said:
Jeez Suthol. You're still alive? Struth. I'm guessing the nurse was kept busy for the past few days keeping you calm and changing your diaper when your convicts were struggling early? Hopefully she's tucked you up with your night time meds and a nice glass of Sanatogen now. Try not to get too excited before Saturday. At your age you can't be too careful.
Actually spent the last four days blasting the 7 around the Snowy Mountains backroads with 86 other 7s and a what a blast that was.BTW, I'm still short of the magical 3 score & 10, believe it or not and still rolling the arm over ( a bit slower each year I have 893 wickets in the local comp and would like to round the last few up this season )
( good to see you here unrep )
suthol said:
Hmm, and it shows doesn't it :-)
Been away for a while but back for a bit of banter now.
Sadly no amount of top bantz can roll this particular turd of a performance in glitter. Fact is our tail DO look intimidated by the quick and bouncy stuff. Been away for a while but back for a bit of banter now.
Cook is a worry, we really need him to get us a decent platform. We relied on our middle, Bairstow, Ali and Stokes, now we are missing one, and have oddly changed the order round for the other two. Still lots of new players coming in, and hopefully they will find their feet.
Woakes I am afraid is just cannon fodder at the moment. Is Jimmy carrying an injury, he didn't bowl as much when Smith was batting.
Still the crims have a few concerns too, Smith won't always fire and they look just as likely to be AO for 200 as 400. so I still think we will win a match (or two)
suthol said:
unrepentant said:
Jeez Suthol. You're still alive? Struth. I'm guessing the nurse was kept busy for the past few days keeping you calm and changing your diaper when your convicts were struggling early? Hopefully she's tucked you up with your night time meds and a nice glass of Sanatogen now. Try not to get too excited before Saturday. At your age you can't be too careful.
Actually spent the last four days blasting the 7 around the Snowy Mountains backroads with 86 other 7s and a what a blast that was.BTW, I'm still short of the magical 3 score & 10, believe it or not and still rolling the arm over ( a bit slower each year I have 893 wickets in the local comp and would like to round the last few up this season )
( good to see you here unrep )
Gargamel said:
Sadly no amount of top bantz can roll this particular turd of a performance in glitter. Fact is our tail DO look intimidated by the quick and bouncy stuff.
Cook is a worry, we really need him to get us a decent platform. We relied on our middle, Bairstow, Ali and Stokes, now we are missing one, and have oddly changed the order round for the other two. Still lots of new players coming in, and hopefully they will find their feet.
Woakes I am afraid is just cannon fodder at the moment. Is Jimmy carrying an injury, he didn't bowl as much when Smith was batting.
Still the crims have a few concerns too, Smith won't always fire and they look just as likely to be AO for 200 as 400. so I still think we will win a match (or two)
I'd worry less about batsmen 9-11 and more about our top 6. Although it's only one game - remember 2005? I'm not panicking just yet. I don't think there is much to choose between these teams.Cook is a worry, we really need him to get us a decent platform. We relied on our middle, Bairstow, Ali and Stokes, now we are missing one, and have oddly changed the order round for the other two. Still lots of new players coming in, and hopefully they will find their feet.
Woakes I am afraid is just cannon fodder at the moment. Is Jimmy carrying an injury, he didn't bowl as much when Smith was batting.
Still the crims have a few concerns too, Smith won't always fire and they look just as likely to be AO for 200 as 400. so I still think we will win a match (or two)
Hundreds win test matches with Cook & Root still likely to be our best chance of these. Cook is a key man.
As for the bowlers, Ball, Ali & Woakes looked pretty ineffective, & even if we have more helpful conditions in Adelaide, we still need to take wickets in the last 3 matches. We also need to get after Lyon to make life harder for the Aussie seamers. Bit risky as he bowled very well, but Ali showed it could be done.
AW111 said:
Did anyone else see the Bancroft interview about the headbutting incident?
It's not often you see a captain collapse into giggles in a press conference like Smith did.
yes !! I like the alliteration of Bairstow butts Bancroft. Leaves lots of room for Cook clocks Cummins, Woakes whacks Warner, Stoneman spiflicates Starc, and Malan mauls MarshIt's not often you see a captain collapse into giggles in a press conference like Smith did.
Gandahar said:
Agree with all your points.
If Root and Stoneman can resist the onslaught tomorrow morning, forget hooking, forward defensive no runs. Boring boring England, then we should get the draw at least and off to better places. And 5-0 is defeated.
It's all in the mind at the moment. A lot of people have written England off, the average score for people on TMS were saying 3-1 to the OZ, Feck them. It's defeatism before we even batted.
Given that has been ok so far from our guys. I think this is making them stronger. To be honest Oz only are up because of the captain so far,
No collapse please. Graft and grit your way to 300 again. Sorted.
Only a few hours to go. I have my trusty AKG headphones and when my wife says" what's that hard thing in the bed?" I can honestly say a Duke County ball
I really am far too optimistic at times. If Root and Stoneman can resist the onslaught tomorrow morning, forget hooking, forward defensive no runs. Boring boring England, then we should get the draw at least and off to better places. And 5-0 is defeated.
It's all in the mind at the moment. A lot of people have written England off, the average score for people on TMS were saying 3-1 to the OZ, Feck them. It's defeatism before we even batted.
Given that has been ok so far from our guys. I think this is making them stronger. To be honest Oz only are up because of the captain so far,
No collapse please. Graft and grit your way to 300 again. Sorted.
Only a few hours to go. I have my trusty AKG headphones and when my wife says" what's that hard thing in the bed?" I can honestly say a Duke County ball
I need to headbutt myself.....
Not looking good for Stokes... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42171706
TheAngryDog said:
Not looking good for Stokes... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42171706
At least he has signed for Canterbury to play some cricket whilst in NZ (visiting family) to keep him fit. Looking unlikely he will play in part in the ashes thoughSydneyBridge said:
TheAngryDog said:
Not looking good for Stokes... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42171706
At least he has signed for Canterbury to play some cricket whilst in NZ (visiting family) to keep him fit. Looking unlikely he will play in part in the ashes thoughTend to agree, I think it is an unlikely series of events that sees him play.
Gargamel said:
SydneyBridge said:
TheAngryDog said:
Not looking good for Stokes... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42171706
At least he has signed for Canterbury to play some cricket whilst in NZ (visiting family) to keep him fit. Looking unlikely he will play in part in the ashes thoughTend to agree, I think it is an unlikely series of events that sees him play.
Presumably there’s evidence as it’s in the video and I can’t see him denying it. In fact hasn’t he already admitted he did it.
I think it’s quite clearly in the public interest that he plays against Australia but the fact that he got drunk and fractured someone’s eye socket might be a tad hard or simply wrong to overlook though.
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