The official Wimbledon Thread....
Discussion
Well, saw Federer play live on Friday against Murray and thought that was about the best I'd ever seen him play; really didn't think Murray did too much wrong but Fed was excellent. Had that player turned-up today I think we'd have had a much closer final but it's tough to play at that level for two matches in a row and sure enough Roger didn't hit the same high standard while Djokovic played his best match of the tournament; net result a deserved win for Novak. Personally a bit gutted as I'd have loved to have seen Federer win today but there's no doubt the best man won and unfortunately Roger left his best match behind him in the semi-final; not actually sure he'd have beaten Murray if he'd played on Friday like he did today although to some extent arguably Federer's performance in the final was dictated by what Djokovic was doing.
The US Open is the next Grand Slam and personally I think Murray and possibly Wawrinka provide the most likely threat to Djokovic; for me Wimbledon is the best chance for Federer to win another major and I'd be surprised to see him go the distance and win against someone like Novak at Flushing Meadow.....
The US Open is the next Grand Slam and personally I think Murray and possibly Wawrinka provide the most likely threat to Djokovic; for me Wimbledon is the best chance for Federer to win another major and I'd be surprised to see him go the distance and win against someone like Novak at Flushing Meadow.....
VolvoT5 said:
Most of the errors are forced errors though; they are not 'free' points to Novak, Novak has basically earned them by intimidating Federer into going for too much.
I don't agree - Of course at times Novak pressured Fed into making errors by going for too much, but Fed made too many errors on routine points which were free points given away which is why he had less chances to break the Novak serve (and put his own serve under more pressure than he needed to).Formula 1 champion Lewis Hamilton missed the Wimbledon men's final after he was turned away from the Royal Box for not being appropriately dressed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
Deisel Weisel said:
Formula 1 champion Lewis Hamilton missed the Wimbledon men's final after he was turned away from the Royal Box for not being appropriately dressed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
I'm not a big fan of Lewis, but I do think Wimbledon is a giant toff club really. I can't see why they have these ever increasing rules about what the players can wear (more restrictive now than in years gone by) and what the guests can wear too. All seems rather stuffy and uptight to me... so I think they should change it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
Having said that everyone else managed to find a suit and jacket, I'm sure Lewis could have done so if he had bothered to read the dress code.
anonymous said:
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I see where you're coming from to some extent but Federer served amazingly well against Murray and, while he certainly wasn't bad in absolute terms today, he wasn't quite at the same level (and, as Djokovic is an even better returner than Murray, he got punished more). However, for me Federer never really got into the groove with the timing on his groundstrokes in the same way he did in the semi-final; he just wasn't hitting the ball as cleanly and consistently as he did against Murray and, while you can argue that that was due in part to the pressure Djokovic was exerting, I still don't think Fed was quite "on it" in the same way he was on Friday. I'm never quite sure how the people who put the stats together define an unforced error but Fed had more than treble the number today than he had on Friday and made as many in the first set (11) as he did in the entire semi-final; that doesn't suggest to me that he was on quite the same level as when he played Murray and it didn't look that way watching it either! Deisel Weisel said:
Formula 1 champion Lewis Hamilton missed the Wimbledon men's final after he was turned away from the Royal Box for not being appropriately dressed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
He couldn't have got someone to pop into the nearest Zara/Topman/Primark/H&M and buy him something which met the dress code criteria? It's still London and all shops were open at that time. There were definitely ways around this.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
VolvoT5 said:
I'm not a big fan of Lewis, but I do think Wimbledon is a giant toff club really. I can't see why they have these ever increasing rules about what the players can wear (more restrictive now than in years gone by) and what the guests can wear too. All seems rather stuffy and uptight to me... so I think they should change it.
Having said that everyone else managed to find a suit and jacket, I'm sure Lewis could have done so if he had bothered to read the dress code.
If you are not happy, then don't go.Having said that everyone else managed to find a suit and jacket, I'm sure Lewis could have done so if he had bothered to read the dress code.
I voted with my feet several years ago.
Tennis is a dopey game.
anonymous said:
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He did hit some clean shots but he wasn't doing it consistently in the way he did against Murray; the official unforced error count backs that up and I was certainly shouting frustration at the TV as (for Federer) relatively straightforward shots were missed (and that was happening from the first set and not just towards the end of the match). Having said that, I'd agree Djokovic wore him down and once the third set had gone you could see Federer's belief gradually drain away; I think he knew he needed to be at his absolute best to stand a chance of beating Djokovic and was probably a bit disappointed and frustrated that he couldn't quite manage it. In terms of serve, his first serve percentage was 67% in the final as against 76% in the semi-final and that, combined with Djokovic returning better than Murray, made service games a bit less straightforward. However, for me it was the higher level of unforced errors that was the man difference between his performance in the final and that in the semi-final....No he didn't play as consistently good as he did against Murray.... but that is because Novak didn't allow him to. You can't just take the unforced error stats in isolation... of course anyone is going to make more errors if they are playing against a guy that hits every ball within inches of the baseline, vs a guy that drops the ball shorter.
I think Federer of any age would lose to Djokovic the way he is playing right now. Go through the list of early slams Federer won and he did beat some fairly so-so opposition in the early years. Since Nadal and Djokovic have come along the wins have slowed right now and I don't think that is purely due to age.
I think Federer of any age would lose to Djokovic the way he is playing right now. Go through the list of early slams Federer won and he did beat some fairly so-so opposition in the early years. Since Nadal and Djokovic have come along the wins have slowed right now and I don't think that is purely due to age.
JagLover said:
At times he was, but as pointed out in the first set he made more unforced errors than in the whole of the semi-final.
His first serve percentage was far lower in that set as well.
Murray wishes he had played the Federer of Sunday.
This, and the fact Murray hits shorter then Djoko generally. He was up mid 80% on first serves against Murray....massive difference.His first serve percentage was far lower in that set as well.
Murray wishes he had played the Federer of Sunday.
Hardly saw him hit the inside out BH, as he had no time with Djoko's depth. He could have used his BH slice more perhaps....
Djoko is a simply better player now.
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RedTrident said:
No idea. But it was lovely to see Hingis and Mirza win.
That was an amazing comeback. Mirza's backhand cross court angle to the take the game to 5 - 5 and the roof break was brilliant.Hingis again today as well in the mixed doubles final.
g4ry13 said:
Deisel Weisel said:
Formula 1 champion Lewis Hamilton missed the Wimbledon men's final after he was turned away from the Royal Box for not being appropriately dressed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
He couldn't have got someone to pop into the nearest Zara/Topman/Primark/H&M and buy him something which met the dress code criteria? It's still London and all shops were open at that time. There were definitely ways around this.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33501951
But then it wouldn't be the "right" sponsors label on show and that would never do.
If these people actually paid for a ticket they might have grounds for a complaint. If they don't like it then queue up in a tent for 3 days like everyone else.
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