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theguvernor15 said:
I've got a brand new Scotty Cameron Champions Choice Newport 2 Button Back still in all the plastic if you were interested, it's brand new, i'd be happy to part with it for cash or a combination of cash + TM Stealth driver?
I was planning to start a collection, but i get moaned at for having golf bats scattered about the house & it's no longer worth the aggro!
I've also got a TEI3 sans head cover that needs refurbishing.
A friend of mine has recently bought one of the Jet Set Limited Release putters they brought out - only cost him £750! Sad thing he isn't even planning on taking it out on the course, just keeping it for a couple of years then flogging it on. Fair play to him, not sure if it's for me though. I was planning to start a collection, but i get moaned at for having golf bats scattered about the house & it's no longer worth the aggro!
I've also got a TEI3 sans head cover that needs refurbishing.
It's always good to try out a Scotty however, as they do make lovely putters. Not sure if the new ones are worth the price, but as the designs don't change that much there is still value in the second hand stuff - just not too old (like Oil Can, TEi3, Pro Platinum stuff) as they start going up in price again.
Having said that, it is around 4 years now since one was in my bag. I favour the "Del Mar" style Scotty, and I was quite shocked to find the Nike one I bought in the same style was even nicer, so that's been in the bag ever since (apart from a silly experiment with the Ardmore).
bodhi said:
A friend of mine has recently bought one of the Jet Set Limited Release putters they brought out - only cost him £750! Sad thing he isn't even planning on taking it out on the course, just keeping it for a couple of years then flogging it on. Fair play to him, not sure if it's for me though.
It's always good to try out a Scotty however, as they do make lovely putters. Not sure if the new ones are worth the price, but as the designs don't change that much there is still value in the second hand stuff - just not too old (like Oil Can, TEi3, Pro Platinum stuff) as they start going up in price again.
Having said that, it is around 4 years now since one was in my bag. I favour the "Del Mar" style Scotty, and I was quite shocked to find the Nike one I bought in the same style was even nicer, so that's been in the bag ever since (apart from a silly experiment with the Ardmore).
I've got a normal Newport 2 at home as well, which i bought when i started playing again a couple of years ago.It's always good to try out a Scotty however, as they do make lovely putters. Not sure if the new ones are worth the price, but as the designs don't change that much there is still value in the second hand stuff - just not too old (like Oil Can, TEi3, Pro Platinum stuff) as they start going up in price again.
Having said that, it is around 4 years now since one was in my bag. I favour the "Del Mar" style Scotty, and I was quite shocked to find the Nike one I bought in the same style was even nicer, so that's been in the bag ever since (apart from a silly experiment with the Ardmore).
I get most of my golf gear from a mate who works for an online golf retailer so i end up with some pretty good deals, the limited edition/run putters like the Champions Choice/Jet Set i have to pay RRP for though.
Are TopTracer systems reliable in terms of distances and ball speeds?
Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
Challo said:
Are TopTracer systems reliable in terms of distances and ball speeds?
Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
I've run some numbers on them before and they are very, very good indeed in terms of absolute accuracy. Easily good enough for those of us not playing on tour. Wish they would sort out their website portal to enable you to download your shot data etc. however.Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
Bear in mind, exactly as per Trackman, there are many other factors that have a big influence on the figures you see -
1) It's measuring a lot of the ballflight (unlike GCQuad) so the prevailing weather (wind, rain, temperature) make a difference to your readings.
2) In the top right of the screen there is a "ball normalisation option" which will be set either on or off, to compensate for the reduced flight of range balls. If it is switched off you can try sending a couple of real Pro Vs down the range and see how the numbers match up with what you expect.
3) Further to 2) the biggest influence on launch monitor number accuracy is the quality of the ball. If your range has beat up yellow rubber balls from 1997 with no dimples then no system, Top Tracer or Trackman, can help much.
Challo said:
Are TopTracer systems reliable in terms of distances and ball speeds?
Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
For TopTracer, range balls and cold weather - those numbers appear to be ok. Previous comment about quality of balls etc is spot on. Ranges spend ££££ on TT and then use balls from 2010...Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
Challo said:
Are TopTracer systems reliable in terms of distances and ball speeds?
Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
It's not as accurate as something like Trackman as it uses a camera on the top of the range, which is why it'll only measure once the ball has travelled 10 yards or so. Also, there are some things that it just will not be able to measure, such as spin and clubhead speed. I think it claims to tell you smash factor as well - but that must be an estimate as it can't see the club! Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
It all depends on how accurately they're calibrated as well. I see better numbers at one TT range than at another. I was asking the fitter about this the other day. He said that half the time he doesn't bother using the TT because he knows what numbers to expect from his own clubs and the TT can get it really wrong.
s94wht said:
Challo said:
Are TopTracer systems reliable in terms of distances and ball speeds?
Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
It's not as accurate as something like Trackman as it uses a camera on the top of the range, which is why it'll only measure once the ball has travelled 10 yards or so. Also, there are some things that it just will not be able to measure, such as spin and clubhead speed. I think it claims to tell you smash factor as well - but that must be an estimate as it can't see the club! Visited my local one yesterday with a few mates and played some of the approach games, and closer to the pin which was a good laugh.
Then we tried the long drive and I managed to about 144 mph on ball speed which was about 230yards carry. I’m taking those numbers which a pinch of salt, but how close will they be?
It all depends on how accurately they're calibrated as well. I see better numbers at one TT range than at another. I was asking the fitter about this the other day. He said that half the time he doesn't bother using the TT because he knows what numbers to expect from his own clubs and the TT can get it really wrong.
The original question was about carry distance and ball speed accuracy, which is mainly what I'm answering.
Readings like spin, AofA etc. are all good fun but to get full accuracy from that you need to be hitting off grass with ProVs.
TopTracer has transformed the traditional driving range, which is what it was aiming for.
Hammersia said:
Having used half a dozen Top Tracer ranges I will concede that they are not all identical in terms of calibration accuracy. But if you're on a good well set up range, then the shot to shot consistency (ie not missing shots or coming up with occasional screwy readings) is IMHO brilliant.
The original question was about carry distance and ball speed accuracy, which is mainly what I'm answering.
Readings like spin, AofA etc. are all good fun but to get full accuracy from that you need to be hitting off grass with ProVs.
TopTracer has transformed the traditional driving range, which is what it was aiming for.
I'm not in disagreement with any of that in general The original question was about carry distance and ball speed accuracy, which is mainly what I'm answering.
Readings like spin, AofA etc. are all good fun but to get full accuracy from that you need to be hitting off grass with ProVs.
TopTracer has transformed the traditional driving range, which is what it was aiming for.
It's just important to bear in mind possible pitfalls in the measurements when trying to practice and see improvement.s94wht said:
Hammersia said:
Having used half a dozen Top Tracer ranges I will concede that they are not all identical in terms of calibration accuracy. But if you're on a good well set up range, then the shot to shot consistency (ie not missing shots or coming up with occasional screwy readings) is IMHO brilliant.
The original question was about carry distance and ball speed accuracy, which is mainly what I'm answering.
Readings like spin, AofA etc. are all good fun but to get full accuracy from that you need to be hitting off grass with ProVs.
TopTracer has transformed the traditional driving range, which is what it was aiming for.
I'm not in disagreement with any of that in general The original question was about carry distance and ball speed accuracy, which is mainly what I'm answering.
Readings like spin, AofA etc. are all good fun but to get full accuracy from that you need to be hitting off grass with ProVs.
TopTracer has transformed the traditional driving range, which is what it was aiming for.
It's just important to bear in mind possible pitfalls in the measurements when trying to practice and see improvement.In terms of swing improvement, absolute distance is always interesting and it being a proper range you can of course see what the trajectory, shot shape is anyway.
If I had a spare 20 grand and 50 acres of lawn I would be using Trackman however.
Hammersia said:
For me the main value in TopTracer is the built in "games", in particular the 30 shot game, but also of course long drive, nearest the pin etc. as it simulates a bit of real pressure (like when you get to shot 25 of 30 chasing a new high score).
In terms of swing improvement, absolute distance is always interesting and it being a proper range you can of course see what the trajectory, shot shape is anyway.
If I had a spare 20 grand and 50 acres of lawn I would be using Trackman however.
Agree with that - as has been said Toptracer venues do vary but they are accurate in terms of their consistency for each range. You just need to understand your actuals from grass with good balls on a few clubs and builds this into the data you are getting from TT to determine your gapping.In terms of swing improvement, absolute distance is always interesting and it being a proper range you can of course see what the trajectory, shot shape is anyway.
If I had a spare 20 grand and 50 acres of lawn I would be using Trackman however.
Agree that Toptracer30 is a really good challenge and not easy to get to your handicap - you have to use "course management" to get a good score so it is as near a pressure situation as you can get on a range - which is great.
TT is not perfect but much better than normal ranges.
If you had Trackman you wouldn't need the 50 acres - so just the £20K+ to find!
Greenie said:
If you had Trackman you wouldn't need the 50 acres - so just the £20K+ to find!
You don't even need £20k. I do very nicely with a 3x7m patch at the bottom of the garden, a net, a mat, and a Garmin R10 at £500. I didn't skimp on the ancillaries and even then it was under £1500 the lot - and you could easily go under a grand if you looked around.deckster said:
You don't even need £20k. I do very nicely with a 3x7m patch at the bottom of the garden, a net, a mat, and a Garmin R10 at £500. I didn't skimp on the ancillaries and even then it was under £1500 the lot - and you could easily go under a grand if you looked around.
Interesting.Are you happy with the accuracy? Does it record all the important stuff - launch angle, club path, club speed, club face angle & strike point?
I can also hire the club's CGQuad studio for £20 per hour - think that might be a good option for me too?
Greenie said:
deckster said:
You don't even need £20k. I do very nicely with a 3x7m patch at the bottom of the garden, a net, a mat, and a Garmin R10 at £500. I didn't skimp on the ancillaries and even then it was under £1500 the lot - and you could easily go under a grand if you looked around.
Interesting.Are you happy with the accuracy? Does it record all the important stuff - launch angle, club path, club speed, club face angle & strike point?
I can also hire the club's CGQuad studio for £20 per hour - think that might be a good option for me too?
That said, you'd like get more data and slightly more consistent readings from a professional setup with a GCQuad. But the R10 is easily good enough for me and importantly I can just head down and hit a few balls if I have 30 minutes in between calls - the immediacy and flexibility is great from that perspective. Plus of a summer evening I can go down with a couple of beers and play a full round (minus putting - the R10 doesn't do putting) in about 30 minutes. It's definitely increased the amount of golf I play in any case.
Greenie said:
Nice setup there.
When you say it's sensitive to set would it be easy to take to the club's grass range and use there?
Does it come with the software or does that need purchasing separately? Any other accessories must haves?
Thanks
Taking it to a grass range is very easy and also probably the best way to use the R10 - the more of the ball flight it can see, the better the accuracy. I know people have reported issues when using it at standard ranges with mats and bays, but that's largely due to them typically being constructed from concrete and also the size of the bay - you need 7ft from ball to the R10 for it to pick everything up reliably.When you say it's sensitive to set would it be easy to take to the club's grass range and use there?
Does it come with the software or does that need purchasing separately? Any other accessories must haves?
Thanks
There are lots of different applications you can use. It comes with Garmin's offering, which gives you a pretty decent range with all of the stats and if you want to actually play golf there is a £10/month subscription option that gives you access to 40,000 courses. It also supports E6 (you get 5 courses for free with the unit and only need to pay if you want more), Awesome Golf, and GS Pro, all of which come in at the low hundreds to buy and/or subscribe to. Horses for courses really. The only other thing you need is some kind of mobile device to connect it to - Android support is patchy and Apple much better. So if you don't already have an iPad then probably budget for that as well (I got one second-hand off eBay for £150 that works perfectly).
Wanted to post on here last Wednesday about how well I hit the ball for the 9 holes I played, 41, but decided not to.
Just as well because next game I struggled to repeat the swing.
Played today and found it hard to get swing right, but hit some decent shots, then remembered to keep my trail wrist facing upwards and after that every shot was as good as it gets for me. What a crazy, complex game
I'm preferring to work on my game on the course so I don't practice as such, find it more rewarding this way.
Just as well because next game I struggled to repeat the swing.
Played today and found it hard to get swing right, but hit some decent shots, then remembered to keep my trail wrist facing upwards and after that every shot was as good as it gets for me. What a crazy, complex game
I'm preferring to work on my game on the course so I don't practice as such, find it more rewarding this way.
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