Ashes Cricket 2019
Discussion
GOATever said:
I like Roy, he’s a talented batsman, he just needs to calm down, and not try any cockamaney stupid ‘Hollywood’ shots, in an important test match. I’m all for giving him a chance, but put him mid order, with Stokes, as he hasn’t quite grasped the openers job yet.
Thing is at 90mph you play on instinct. His instinct is see ball, hit ball. It's the lateral movement that does him. I'd love to know how much cricket he plays against a red ball and of those bowlers he faces, how many of them are even close to what you'd see in a test. desolate said:
Gargamel said:
Come on chaps - its England Selectors we are talking about.
The coach is two matches away from retiring and we just saved/won a match
Anderson will come in, that will be it. I think Woakes misses out. I don’t think they will mess with the top 5. We will see.
I am no expert on county circlet but it seems to me that there is no one beating the door down to replace the current crop AND everyone seems to accept that Roy is being made to do a job that he isn't equipped for.The coach is two matches away from retiring and we just saved/won a match
Anderson will come in, that will be it. I think Woakes misses out. I don’t think they will mess with the top 5. We will see.
I'd definitely have Buttler behind the stumps.
Anderson has to come back and so that's a long tail.
To me the thing he needs to learn is just to leave it. Leave everything that isn’t hitting the stumps. after ten overs it suddenly becomes a lot easier !
sjc said:
Gargamel said:
To me the thing he needs to learn is just to leave it. Leave everything that isn’t hitting the stumps. after ten overs it suddenly becomes a lot easier !
If you need to teach that to an alleged test standard opener then he’s already the wrong bloke for the job.Clearly he isn’t a test standard opener, but he might be able to become one !
Gargamel said:
sjc said:
Gargamel said:
To me the thing he needs to learn is just to leave it. Leave everything that isn’t hitting the stumps. after ten overs it suddenly becomes a lot easier !
If you need to teach that to an alleged test standard opener then he’s already the wrong bloke for the job.Clearly he isn’t a test standard opener, but he might be able to become one !
Gargamel said:
sjc said:
Gargamel said:
To me the thing he needs to learn is just to leave it. Leave everything that isn’t hitting the stumps. after ten overs it suddenly becomes a lot easier !
If you need to teach that to an alleged test standard opener then he’s already the wrong bloke for the job.Clearly he isn’t a test standard opener, but he might be able to become one !
An openers best stroke is a well educated leave.
Two bits of news, Specsavers have confirmed Jack Leach gets new specs for life. Bit of a mixed bag there imho but fair enough.
Also there's been some more detailed looks at that LBW call from Joel Wilson, claims that contrary to Hawkeye ball tracking showing it hitting middle and leg it should have been umpire's call due to it hitting the front pad and deflected onto rear pad.
Dunno personally, one thing is clear to me, the technology isn't all that perfect, yet folks are relying on it as if it's absolutely cock on. It's there to deal with howlers, but burning reviews in no hope situations will, as McGrath observed, lose you matches.
Also there's been some more detailed looks at that LBW call from Joel Wilson, claims that contrary to Hawkeye ball tracking showing it hitting middle and leg it should have been umpire's call due to it hitting the front pad and deflected onto rear pad.
Dunno personally, one thing is clear to me, the technology isn't all that perfect, yet folks are relying on it as if it's absolutely cock on. It's there to deal with howlers, but burning reviews in no hope situations will, as McGrath observed, lose you matches.
snake_oil said:
They only have themselves to blame. The decision to review the LBW which pitched a mile outside leg was utterly baffling. It was so obviously not out to the naked eye.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. The Aussies were panicked and when that happens you cling to any glimmer of home, however slim. garyhun said:
snake_oil said:
They only have themselves to blame. The decision to review the LBW which pitched a mile outside leg was utterly baffling. It was so obviously not out to the naked eye.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. The Aussies were panicked and when that happens you cling to any glimmer of home, however slim. Got to say the video of the TMS commentary box when Lyon drops the run out ball is brilliant. Not just Aggers, Cooky, McGrath but the face of the bloke at the back, not sure who it is tbh, thought Andrew Statto had a beard and more hair on top.
https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/1166099690984808...
FiF said:
That's the point, they were desperate, thought it was slipping from them, would a review unsettle the inexperienced tailender batsman? Fortunately Leach made of sterner stuff, the best 1 not out ever.
Got to say the video of the TMS commentary box when Lyon drops the run out ball is brilliant. Not just Aggers, Cooky, McGrath but the face of the bloke at the back, not sure who it is tbh, thought Andrew Statto had a beard and more hair on top.
https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/1166099690984808...
Got to say the video of the TMS commentary box when Lyon drops the run out ball is brilliant. Not just Aggers, Cooky, McGrath but the face of the bloke at the back, not sure who it is tbh, thought Andrew Statto had a beard and more hair on top.
https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/1166099690984808...
that's great.I think the desperation review has out-shone the Paine review earlier in the match which requires more attention now that the dust has settled. Appealed LBW because he got an edge, didn't realise it was caught anyway
FiF said:
Also there's been some more detailed looks at that LBW call from Joel Wilson, claims that contrary to Hawkeye ball tracking showing it hitting middle and leg it should have been umpire's call due to it hitting the front pad and deflected onto rear pad.
Where have you seen this, out of interest? Had a chat in the office with people and a couple of us thought the tracking didn't account for flicking the front pad. Not that it mattered in the end!monarodom said:
FiF said:
Also there's been some more detailed looks at that LBW call from Joel Wilson, claims that contrary to Hawkeye ball tracking showing it hitting middle and leg it should have been umpire's call due to it hitting the front pad and deflected onto rear pad.
Where have you seen this, out of interest? Had a chat in the office with people and a couple of us thought the tracking didn't account for flicking the front pad. Not that it mattered in the end!In real time I thought it was not out, I think DRS gave the ball more turn that it initially appeared, fine margins !
Petrolsniffed said:
GOATever said:
I like Roy, he’s a talented batsman, he just needs to calm down, and not try any cockamaney stupid ‘Hollywood’ shots, in an important test match. I’m all for giving him a chance, but put him mid order, with Stokes, as he hasn’t quite grasped the openers job yet.
Thing is at 90mph you play on instinct. His instinct is see ball, hit ball. It's the lateral movement that does him. I'd love to know how much cricket he plays against a red ball and of those bowlers he faces, how many of them are even close to what you'd see in a test. monarodom said:
FiF said:
Also there's been some more detailed looks at that LBW call from Joel Wilson, claims that contrary to Hawkeye ball tracking showing it hitting middle and leg it should have been umpire's call due to it hitting the front pad and deflected onto rear pad.
Where have you seen this, out of interest? Had a chat in the office with people and a couple of us thought the tracking didn't account for flicking the front pad. Not that it mattered in the end!Gargamel said:
There is a video on Cricinfo where Stokes is saying it. I haven't seen it again since the highlights and no analysis of it.
In real time I thought it was not out, I think DRS gave the ball more turn that it initially appeared, fine margins !
I picked it up from Twitter and followed it somewhere, possibly Cricinfo, but it rapidly ended up on a page where Convicts were bleating like lambs. Tbh served them right for burning that review on Leach clearly not LBW even to me, and I'm no ump.In real time I thought it was not out, I think DRS gave the ball more turn that it initially appeared, fine margins !
GloverMart said:
I'm not sure if FiF saw it in the same place as I did but an Aussie guy called Brydon Coverdale (on Twitter, just search his name) mentioned it yesterday or the day before.
That's it, someone I follow picked up on Brydon Coverdale and then I got lost on the internet ending up on an Aussie boohoo page so at that point sacked it all off.Coverdale made a good point with
Brydon Coverdale on Twitter said:
"In defence of Joel Wilson, he hasn't had a great series but if you think the non-lbw was a howler you're dreaming. Even after seeing a replay I couldn't tell if Lyon turned it or it straightened via ricochet off front pad. Stokes himself says the latter, and that DRS missed that.
And if it did hit front pad and was sliding down leg, and DRS failed to pick that up, then we’ve only avoided a massive Ashes-deciding controversy because Australia had no reviews left."
And if it did hit front pad and was sliding down leg, and DRS failed to pick that up, then we’ve only avoided a massive Ashes-deciding controversy because Australia had no reviews left."
I think there is an obsession with umpiring/refereeing minutiae in sports these days, to the detriment of all concerned. It is particularly problematic in Rugby Union, the Scottish have only just stopped going on about that alleged incorrect penalty decision given against them that allowed Australia to edge past them in the last World Cup.
Match officials are human, they aren't omniscient, they will miss things and make bad or wrong decisions. I think you just have to accept this. The review system we already have is designed to allow for this, so teams can get a decision reversed if they're sure that it was wrong. Of course everyone tends to fritter their reviews away needlessly hence the whingeing.
I believe Tim Paine was big enough to admit to being at fault with his reviewing decisions.
Match officials are human, they aren't omniscient, they will miss things and make bad or wrong decisions. I think you just have to accept this. The review system we already have is designed to allow for this, so teams can get a decision reversed if they're sure that it was wrong. Of course everyone tends to fritter their reviews away needlessly hence the whingeing.
I believe Tim Paine was big enough to admit to being at fault with his reviewing decisions.
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