Emma Raducanu

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nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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IMG manage hundreds of competing sports people, they are huge and I can't see a problem at all. They're not coaching their clients.

Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 3rd June 13:09

Ashfordian

2,059 posts

91 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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andyA700 said:
So, it would seem that Ricahrdson, after helping Emma to US Open success, was ready to sign a new contract to contimue, but received a call from Emma's agent, saying that they had decided to go in a different direction, which turned out to be success to failure. The agent is someone called Max Eisenbud, who also managed Maria Sharapova in the past. Eisenbud is part of IMG and earlier this year managed current World number one Iga Swiatek of Poland. Does anyone see a possible conflict of interests here? Imagine if Pep Guardiola was manager of both Manchester City and Manchester Utd.

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_...
You're clutching at straws here. The problem is the family(father).

No top coach is going to take her on now, as anyone interested will talk to one of the past coaches to find out how the land lies. Her best hope is to get lucky on an undiscovered up and coming coach who has not yet made it to the top tier but who wants to make a name for themself, before moving on because of the family interference.

abzmike

8,543 posts

108 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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When, assuming she does, get some level of fitness, the money will talk or walk. Too much has been invested to waste it on an interfering family. She has multinational appeal commercially, but has to be playing at a level that gets exposure, not then the winner of the USO x years ago.

Ohio7274

249 posts

14 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Ashfordian said:
The problem is the family(father).
100% this.

andyA700

2,827 posts

39 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Ashfordian said:
andyA700 said:
So, it would seem that Ricahrdson, after helping Emma to US Open success, was ready to sign a new contract to contimue, but received a call from Emma's agent, saying that they had decided to go in a different direction, which turned out to be success to failure. The agent is someone called Max Eisenbud, who also managed Maria Sharapova in the past. Eisenbud is part of IMG and earlier this year managed current World number one Iga Swiatek of Poland. Does anyone see a possible conflict of interests here? Imagine if Pep Guardiola was manager of both Manchester City and Manchester Utd.

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_...
You're clutching at straws here. The problem is the family(father).

No top coach is going to take her on now, as anyone interested will talk to one of the past coaches to find out how the land lies. Her best hope is to get lucky on an undiscovered up and coming coach who has not yet made it to the top tier but who wants to make a name for themself, before moving on because of the family interference.
I am not clutching at straws at all and I am not dismissing the probability that Emma's father is pulling a lot of strings. However, Richardson has already stated that he was fired by a brief phonecall made by Eisenbud, the agent. I know how sports management works and I know how much power/influence the manager/agent has.


nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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andyA700 said:
I am not clutching at straws at all and I am not dismissing the probability that Emma's father is pulling a lot of strings. However, Richardson has already stated that he was fired by a brief phonecall made by Eisenbud, the agent. I know how sports management works and I know how much power/influence the manager/agent has.
I don't think you do as you wouldn't have compared them to someone in the position that Guardiola is. It's quite easy to change agent.

andyA700

2,827 posts

39 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
andyA700 said:
I am not clutching at straws at all and I am not dismissing the probability that Emma's father is pulling a lot of strings. However, Richardson has already stated that he was fired by a brief phonecall made by Eisenbud, the agent. I know how sports management works and I know how much power/influence the manager/agent has.
I don't think you do as you wouldn't have compared them to someone in the position that Guardiola is. It's quite easy to change agent.
Except that top sports stars tend to stick with the same agent for a long time - Roger Federer/Tony Godsick, Steve Davis/Barry Hearn, Rafa Nadal/Carlos Costa.
I was making the point that Richardson was given the oush as a result of a brief phonecall from Emma's agent. I wonder how many of the other coaches had a similar call.

swisstoni

17,171 posts

281 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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I presume one of the uses of an agent is getting them to make the difficult phone calls.
Doesn’t necessarily mean that they’ve made the decision behind it.

nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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andyA700 said:
Except that top sports stars tend to stick with the same agent for a long time - Roger Federer/Tony Godsick, Steve Davis/Barry Hearn, Rafa Nadal/Carlos Costa.
I was making the point that Richardson was given the oush as a result of a brief phonecall from Emma's agent. I wonder how many of the other coaches had a similar call.
You're still clutching at straws.

Lewis Hamilton?

andyA700

2,827 posts

39 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
andyA700 said:
Except that top sports stars tend to stick with the same agent for a long time - Roger Federer/Tony Godsick, Steve Davis/Barry Hearn, Rafa Nadal/Carlos Costa.
I was making the point that Richardson was given the oush as a result of a brief phonecall from Emma's agent. I wonder how many of the other coaches had a similar call.
You're still clutching at straws.

Lewis Hamilton?
Not at all, I am convinced that none of these coach change decisions was made by the player, it was down to the parents or agent or a combination of both. Were the decisions made on the value of the player's potential performance, or how much money and fame the player could make?

nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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andyA700 said:
Not at all, I am convinced that none of these coach change decisions was made by the player, it was down to the parents or agent or a combination of both. Were the decisions made on the value of the player's potential performance, or how much money and fame the player could make?
Yes sure but still no conflict of interest. Quite irrelevant until she can play injury free anyway.

andyA700

2,827 posts

39 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
andyA700 said:
Not at all, I am convinced that none of these coach change decisions was made by the player, it was down to the parents or agent or a combination of both. Were the decisions made on the value of the player's potential performance, or how much money and fame the player could make?
Yes sure but still no conflict of interest. Quite irrelevant until she can play injury free anyway.
Why did they get rid of Richardson after a quite incredible victory at the US Open, winning three matches in the qualifying and seven matches in the main draw without losing a set?
What kind of an idiot thinks - "Oh, Emma should have really done better than that, let's sack the coach, because he is rubbish"?

nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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andyA700 said:
Why did they get rid of Richardson after a quite incredible victory at the US Open, winning three matches in the qualifying and seven matches in the main draw without losing a set?
What kind of an idiot thinks - "Oh, Emma should have really done better than that, let's sack the coach, because he is rubbish"?
Maybe they didn't. Why don't you offer your expertise to them?

Ohio7274

249 posts

14 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
andyA700 said:
Why did they get rid of Richardson after a quite incredible victory at the US Open, winning three matches in the qualifying and seven matches in the main draw without losing a set?
What kind of an idiot thinks - "Oh, Emma should have really done better than that, let's sack the coach, because he is rubbish"?
Maybe they didn't.
Richardson himself said he was fired.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...

Apologies if I already posted this link, but it seems some appear to have missed it.

nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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Ohio7274 said:
nickfrog said:
andyA700 said:
Why did they get rid of Richardson after a quite incredible victory at the US Open, winning three matches in the qualifying and seven matches in the main draw without losing a set?
What kind of an idiot thinks - "Oh, Emma should have really done better than that, let's sack the coach, because he is rubbish"?
Maybe they didn't.
Richardson himself said he was fired.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...

Apologies if I already posted this link, but it seems some appear to have missed it.
You can't get fired if you don't have a contract. Always two sides to a story (or 3). Maybe he is disgruntled. Maybe they wanted him but he wanted too much money for their liking, who knows. Hence my "maybe".

I don't know who missed your link though?

The main thing is that she has taken major steps in fixing her 3 injuries. No coach could offset for that anyway.





Ohio7274

249 posts

14 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
You can't get fired if you don't have a contract.
Semantics, Richardson had proven himself and was let go at the first opportunity with some bullst story at the time about 'spending more time with the family'. Utter nonsense of course, and subsequently [self] corrected in the link above.


nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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Ohio7274 said:
nickfrog said:
You can't get fired if you don't have a contract.
Semantics, Richardson had proven himself and was let go at the first opportunity with some bullst story at the time about 'spending more time with the family'. Utter nonsense of course, and subsequently [self] corrected in the link above.
It sounds like you took part in the negociations. Or you are just expressing a view, which is fair enough.

As I said, two sides to every story.

Mr Pointy

11,341 posts

161 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
Ohio7274 said:
nickfrog said:
You can't get fired if you don't have a contract.
Semantics, Richardson had proven himself and was let go at the first opportunity with some bullst story at the time about 'spending more time with the family'. Utter nonsense of course, and subsequently [self] corrected in the link above.
It sounds like you took part in the negociations. Or you are just expressing a view, which is fair enough.

As I said, two sides to every story.
You seem very defensive of those managing her. Are you a sockpuppet for IMG or her parents/managers?

Mazinbrum

940 posts

180 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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nickfrog said:
andyA700 said:
Not at all, I am convinced that none of these coach change decisions was made by the player, it was down to the parents or agent or a combination of both. Were the decisions made on the value of the player's potential performance, or how much money and fame the player could make?
Yes sure but still no conflict of interest. Quite irrelevant until she can play injury free anyway.
Always seemed too delicate to me to be a top player.

nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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Mr Pointy said:
You seem very defensive of those managing her. Are you a sockpuppet for IMG or her parents/managers?
I am not defensive of anyone.

All I said is "we don't know". I am trying to use some critical thinking but I appreciate everyone is a pundit.

What's a "sockpuppet"?

I did say that she might need to do a Hamilton, didn't I?