Lance Armstrong vs. USADA

[Sway]

How do you quantify awareness?

I don't know, but I do know that he could have done that without setting up the foundation. His personal reach was massive...

However, setting up the truly charitable foundation Livestrong.org and the commercial livestrong.com, without much clarity for people that there was a difference, smacks of money making out of people trying to help.

Be very interested to hear of the revenues of.com in comparison as none of that money was used to help anyone...

[Derek Smith]

Sway said:

However, setting up the truly charitable foundation Livestrong.org and the commercial livestrong.com, without much clarity for people that there was a difference, smacks of money making out of people trying to help.

Many people, most in fact, are not aware of the differences.

[mcelliott]

Was sifting through some old cycling magazines today and came across an edition of Procycling dated July 2010 - I found an interesting article concerning Floyd Landis's claims of career long doping of Lance Armstrong. Some interesting quotes from Dave Millar concerning Landis's outbursts (remember this was 2010, the net was firmly closing in on Armstrong) - this is what he had to say. "I see it as a desperate and cynical move. He's just reached the end of the road and I find it disgusting. He has nothing left in cycling so just wants to burn the house down." Hmmm. I wonder if the back water fruit loop ever got an apology from St David.

[Grandfondo]

mcelliott said:

Was sifting through some old cycling magazines today and came across an edition of Procycling dated July 2010 - I found an interesting article concerning Floyd Landis's claims of career long doping of Lance Armstrong. Some interesting quotes from Dave Millar concerning Landis's outbursts (remember this was 2010, the net was firmly closing in on Armstrong) - this is what he had to say. "I see it as a desperate and cynical move. He's just reached the end of the road and I find it disgusting. He has nothing left in cycling so just wants to burn the house down." Hmmm. I wonder if the back water fruit loop ever got an apology from St David.

And they let these "cheats" ware national colours in the olympics!

[Welshbeef]

This is part of my point. Sure LA did a terrible thing and is getting trashed for it - but why not everyone else?

They were all at it so treat them all the same a cheat is a cheat if you do it once or a career or anywhere inbetween.
The issues of bullying etc should be persued via the courts in a civil action. I'm sure we all know plenty of people who put success ahead of everything else evening lying to their closest families bullying those in work etc so to me while its not very nice to read about it happens all the time. If they have a grievance then go to court and be done with it - and do it sharp ish before he has no more money to give out in compensation.

[London424]

Welshbeef said:

This is part of my point. Sure LA did a terrible thing and is getting trashed for it - but why not everyone else?

They were all at it so treat them all the same a cheat is a cheat if you do it once or a career or anywhere inbetween.
The issues of bullying etc should be persued via the courts in a civil action. I'm sure we all know plenty of people who put success ahead of everything else evening lying to their closest families bullying those in work etc so to me while its not very nice to read about it happens all the time. If they have a grievance then go to court and be done with it - and do it sharp ish before he has no more money to give out in compensation.

Oh he's got plenty of money. More than he could ever spend.

[Welshbeef]

London424 said:

Oh he's got plenty of money. More than he could ever spend.

But with all these legal cases against him once all have been paid out along with legal fees will there be much left? how wealthy is he?

I wonder how savy he has been and he has asset transferred before any of this as such he could make himself have very little wealth.

[graeme4130]

Welshbeef said:

London424 said:

Oh he's got plenty of money. More than he could ever spend.

But with all these legal cases against him once all have been paid out along with legal fees will there be much left? how wealthy is he?

I wonder how savy he has been and he has asset transferred before any of this as such he could make himself have very little wealth.

I imagine he'll not be coming out of this penny less
He may not be the brightest guy around, but hie knows the importance a good (in this case 'legal') team around him, so I'm sure would've isolated many assets from the claws of the lawyers

In my experience, cycling is a sport that always has been and always will be riddled with bullies and cheats, and LA. was just the best at it

[London424]

Well he's won this lawsuit it seems.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2013/...

Looked pretty optimistic to me anyway so not much of a victory.

[Welshbeef]

So what is his potential worst case liability ?

[Vocal Minority]

Judge saw it for what it was, an opportunistic money grab

[London424]

Here's the next one in the line. A heavy hitter...interesting defense he's going with!

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/540530/...

[central]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukOJ_1b-8lQ&fea...

[anonymous-user]

LA must have a great book in the pipeline. Hopefully once all the people suing him have finished he'll be able to properly tell the truth

[Digger]

Boo fking Hoo. Sorry Lance no sympathy from me I'm afraid.

You reap what you sow.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24896216

[London424]

Digger said:

Boo fking Hoo. Sorry Lance no sympathy from me I'm afraid.

You reap what you sow.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24896216

I think his overall point is you can't pick and choose the punishment. He has been made a "special case" and it's frankly a bit laughable when you think of all the dopers throughout the history of cycling in comparison.

[Grandfondo]

London424 said:

Digger said:

Boo fking Hoo. Sorry Lance no sympathy from me I'm afraid.

You reap what you sow.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24896216

I think his overall point is you can't pick and choose the punishment. He has been made a "special case" and it's frankly a bit laughable when you think of all the dopers throughout the history of cycling in comparison.

Correct,especially when some convicted dopers are now treated like the saviours of cycling!

[Digger]

I understand and have some sympathy, with what he is saying, but if he had been your average doper he'd have nothing to complain about.

The fact that he may well be viewed, as arguably perhaps the most vilified man in the history of cycling, for all the reasons we are acutely aware of, shouldn't count for nothing.

The cynic in me suggests there might be some upcoming court cases, and he's playing the sympathy card.

[Digger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24893598

Interview on the World Service about to start right now. No doubt on catch up later.

[Jacobyte]

London424 said:

Digger said:

Boo fking Hoo. Sorry Lance no sympathy from me I'm afraid.

You reap what you sow.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24896216

I think his overall point is you can't pick and choose the punishment. He has been made a "special case" and it's frankly a bit laughable when you think of all the dopers throughout the history of cycling in comparison.

He wasn't just a doper like the rest of them. The extreme levels of manipulation and fraud he committed have had a far more wide reaching and damaging effect than someone just doing drugs to be a competitive cyclist. He deserves not a jot of sympathy.