Golf - 2021

[danneth]

Just had a couple of days in spain at San Roque and La Cala, both absolutely quality.

[Tomm3]

I know I've said on here how I'm enjoying my new Callaway irons, and how fking amazing the new G425 driver is, but I'm left with a bit of a gap.
Currently carrying driver then next club down is the 4 iron, occasionally swap that for a Lynx 3 hybrid but neither is consistent. Hybrid feels heavy and I'm wondering what to look at next, a G425 5 wood or similar hybrid, anyone using these clubs?

[kiethton]

Tomm3 said:

I know I've said on here how I'm enjoying my new Callaway irons, and how fking amazing the new G425 driver is, but I'm left with a bit of a gap.
Currently carrying driver then next club down is the 4 iron, occasionally swap that for a Lynx 3 hybrid but neither is consistent. Hybrid feels heavy and I'm wondering what to look at next, a G425 5 wood or similar hybrid, anyone using these clubs?

That's a huge gap at the top of the bag and (assuming the 4 iron is 21*) you'll likely need 2 clubs to fill it... 16* 3/4 wood and a 19* hybrid is my choice

[Greenie]

Tomm3 said:

I know I've said on here how I'm enjoying my new Callaway irons, and how fking amazing the new G425 driver is, but I'm left with a bit of a gap.
Currently carrying driver then next club down is the 4 iron, occasionally swap that for a Lynx 3 hybrid but neither is consistent. Hybrid feels heavy and I'm wondering what to look at next, a G425 5 wood or similar hybrid, anyone using these clubs?

Have you tried the G425 3W? Really easy to hit off the deck. As forgiving as the driver. I have that and a 3H & 4H. (I struggle with long irons)

[Blackpuddin]

SpeckledJim said:

abzmike said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wonder what sort of odds might be available on Charlie Woods winning his first major by his 18th birthday.

1500/1 to win his first major before age 22...
Might be worth a quid, but there are hundreds of talented kids coming through all the time.

Might indeed, for fun, but I don't think that's a value bet.

How many of the world's top 1500 golfers won a major younger than 22? Only Woods and Spieth (in the modern era) so with a literal couple of exceptions, the best few thousand adult golfers in the world couldn't do it.

Charlie looks a rare talent, but he's got a loooong way to go to even become a 'top few thousand' golfer, never mind win a major.

He\'s only 12 though, a hell of a lot can happen between 12 and 18. Some of the shots (and the putting) he's doing already look tour pro standard.

[Tomm3]

Greenie said:

Have you tried the G425 3W? Really easy to hit off the deck. As forgiving as the driver. I have that and a 3H & 4H. (I struggle with long irons)

Not sure I want a 3, bit harder to hit maybe. Used to hit long 5 woods years ago, found them easier to swing etc, hopefully modern ones are a bit better too.
Have to try some really.

[SpeckledJim]

Blackpuddin said:

SpeckledJim said:

abzmike said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wonder what sort of odds might be available on Charlie Woods winning his first major by his 18th birthday.

1500/1 to win his first major before age 22...
Might be worth a quid, but there are hundreds of talented kids coming through all the time.

Might indeed, for fun, but I don't think that's a value bet.

How many of the world's top 1500 golfers won a major younger than 22? Only Woods and Spieth (in the modern era) so with a literal couple of exceptions, the best few thousand adult golfers in the world couldn't do it.

Charlie looks a rare talent, but he's got a loooong way to go to even become a 'top few thousand' golfer, never mind win a major.

He\'s only 12 though, a hell of a lot can happen between 12 and 18. Some of the shots (and the putting) he's doing already look tour pro standard.

I think he's got a better shot at it than just about any other 12 year-old on the planet. But of all the young prodigies in living memory, and all the best golfers in the world, only two of them have managed to deliver on that bet.

I'd say the odds are closer to 150,000/1 than they are to 1500/1.

Say he makes the real big time at 18 years of age (hugely unlikely in itself), he's only got 12-16 major opportunities to win one before turning 22. Most great golfers who play, say, 60 or 80 majors in their career still don't win a single one, even in their absolute prime, never mind their callow youth.

[heads off to find a photo of Callum Best]

[HaplessBoyLard]

SpeckledJim said:

Charlie looks a rare talent, but he's got a loooong way to go to even become a 'top few thousand' golfer, never mind win a major.

He’s not a particularly rare talent. Apparently he’s not even in the top 100 in his age group in Florida.

That’s not to say he won’t be successful in pro golf. Tiger might help to prepare him mentally for life on tour, if that’s what he wants to do with his life, just like Tiger’s dad did from a very young age. That’s the big stumbling block for a lot of spectacularly talented golfers…they can’t handle the pressure when they step up to the big stage. I guess one advantage of being Tiger’s son is he’ll never have to make a cut to put food on the table.

He’s obviously very good for a 12 year old, but I think people (aimed at no one here…this is all just fun chat after all) need a little reality check!

[Blackpuddin]

danneth said:

Just had a couple of days in spain at San Roque and La Cala, both absolutely quality.

The Golfmates lads on YT just went to La Cala, it looks brutal in parts, plenty of cross-slopes to take your ball off into the boonies.

[SpeckledJim]

HaplessBoyLard said:

SpeckledJim said:

Charlie looks a rare talent, but he's got a loooong way to go to even become a 'top few thousand' golfer, never mind win a major.

He’s not a particularly rare talent. Apparently he’s not even in the top 100 in his age group in Florida.

That’s not to say he won’t be successful in pro golf. Tiger might help to prepare him mentally for life on tour, if that’s what he wants to do with his life, just like Tiger’s dad did from a very young age. That’s the big stumbling block for a lot of spectacularly talented golfers…they can’t handle the pressure when they step up to the big stage. I guess one advantage of being Tiger’s son is he’ll never have to make a cut to put food on the table.

He’s obviously very good for a 12 year old, but I think people (aimed at no one here…this is all just fun chat after all) need a little reality check!

Being Tiger's son will cut both ways, I think. On the one hand, as you say, Tiger will be able to give him the grounding in what top class golf is like, and help him understand and deal with the pressures. If he's good enough....


...which might be the problem. As the son of a billionaire (ish) Charlie will not have to do anything Charlie doesn't really want to do. With all the opportunities and travel and girls and, umm, substances at hand, is he going to be prepared to put in the tens of thousands of hours to actually get any good at this game.

The vast majority of lads with talent for whom golf could provide more money than anything else open to them still won't work hard enough to capitalise on the chance. Charlie doesn't have that pressure or motivation. He has to be doing it purely for the love, because the money is there either way.

Big ask.

[bodhi]

As impressive as Charlie was, from reports and what I saw at the weekend I'd be more tempted to put some money on Daly's lad making it to the tour. He seems to have the mix of long hitting and excellent putting his dad has, let's just hope he's not as "good" at the other stuff as his dad is...

[danneth]

Blackpuddin said:

The Golfmates lads on YT just went to La Cala, it looks brutal in parts, plenty of cross-slopes to take your ball off into the boonies.

Ye I noticed they had been, its very tough... I shot 87 and 83 and was more than happy with that.

The videos and pictures don't do it justice either.

[abzmike]

danneth said:

Blackpuddin said:

The Golfmates lads on YT just went to La Cala, it looks brutal in parts, plenty of cross-slopes to take your ball off into the boonies.

Ye I noticed they had been, its very tough... I shot 87 and 83 and was more than happy with that.

The videos and pictures don't do it justice either.

I agree - played La Cala a few years ago, and it is stunning, but difficult and one for the mountian goats. Mind you, the following day played Alhaurín, and that was even worse - by a distance the hardest course I've ever played.

[Blackpuddin]

HaplessBoyLard said:

SpeckledJim said:

Charlie looks a rare talent, but he's got a loooong way to go to even become a 'top few thousand' golfer, never mind win a major.

He’s not a particularly rare talent. Apparently he’s not even in the top 100 in his age group in Florida.

That’s not to say he won’t be successful in pro golf. Tiger might help to prepare him mentally for life on tour, if that’s what he wants to do with his life, just like Tiger’s dad did from a very young age. That’s the big stumbling block for a lot of spectacularly talented golfers…they can’t handle the pressure when they step up to the big stage. I guess one advantage of being Tiger’s son is he’ll never have to make a cut to put food on the table.

He’s obviously very good for a 12 year old, but I think people (aimed at no one here…this is all just fun chat after all) need a little reality check!

It's OK, no offence taken as usual I am living in a state of ignorance having had no idea of his standing. I still reckon that six years in the Woods household, assuming Tiger devotes his life to his kid rather than to pro golf (which is a big assumption I'll admit) will give him quite an advantage. Plus he seems to have a good temperament for a little 'un but again I have no idea about that really, it's just a feeling.

[Smiljan]

There was a documentary on the junior US golf tour, brutal amounts of dedication and talent from kids in that and many don't even manage to make the tour let alone win a major.

Having said that, he'd wipe the floor with most of us on PH without really trying.

Has there ever been a father / son legacy of wining a major each yet?

[abzmike]

Smiljan said:

There was a documentary on the junior US golf tour, brutal amounts of dedication and talent from kids in that and many don't even manage to make the tour let alone win a major.

Having said that, he'd wipe the floor with most of us on PH without really trying.

Has there ever been a father / son legacy of wining a major each yet?

Old and Young Tom Morris... Willie Parks Snr and Jnr... So not recently!

[fourstardan]

With the amount of time and money kids of billion and millionaires will have its more than possible.

Charlie woods has a practice area by all accounts I've heard....when the weathers a bit poor i.e. 0.1mm of rain and slightly overcast then the golf sim with force plates and moveable putting green is suitable.

If bored of that he'll get a mental lesson off the best player to ever live....

Imagine when this kid starts working out.

Not jealous at all...

[Challo]

fourstardan said:

With the amount of time and money kids of billion and millionaires will have its more than possible.

Charlie woods has a practice area by all accounts I've heard....when the weathers a bit poor i.e. 0.1mm of rain and slightly overcast then the golf sim with force plates and moveable putting green is suitable.

If bored of that he'll get a mental lesson off the best player to ever live....

Imagine when this kid starts working out.

Not jealous at all...

Ultimately Charlie will have all the financial resources he needs, the best clubs, practice area and never have to worry about money in his life, but doesn't mean he will cut it as a pro.

He will have the best chance in life, but who knows if he has the talent to make it on the bigger stage.

[48Valves]

Challo said:

fourstardan said:

With the amount of time and money kids of billion and millionaires will have its more than possible.

Charlie woods has a practice area by all accounts I've heard....when the weathers a bit poor i.e. 0.1mm of rain and slightly overcast then the golf sim with force plates and moveable putting green is suitable.

If bored of that he'll get a mental lesson off the best player to ever live....

Imagine when this kid starts working out.

Not jealous at all...

Ultimately Charlie will have all the financial resources he needs, the best clubs, practice area and never have to worry about money in his life, but doesn't mean he will cut it as a pro.

He will have the best chance in life, but who knows if he has the talent to make it on the bigger stage.

He’s already got Taylormade and Scotty Cameron making custom clubs for him, and as has already been said. Access to the best practice facilities and coaching.

What can’t be accounted for is the level of scrutiny and pressure the poor lad will be subject to. I watched the PNC with my lad, partly because I wanted to see Tiger play, but also because my son is the same age as Charlie and has take up golf.

I’m completely bemused by the way adults in the media are already fawning over the boy and dissecting everything he does.

[chrismarr]

Anyone using the shotscope V3 ? Thoughts?

Playing with a lad who used one today and it sounded/looked really quite good - The information is was gathering for him seemed really helpful. Watch looked a bit basic but gave you enough info i think..