England cricket 2023 & 2024

England cricket 2023 & 2024

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Scabutz

7,822 posts

82 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Stokes going to have to ask Ali to come back into Test cricket

Slowboathome

3,703 posts

46 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Scabutz said:
Baron Greenback said:
England spinner Jack Leach has been ruled out of the Ashes series against Australia with a back stress fracture.
Just seen that. Bloody hell.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65805317
Oh no. frown

Gutted for him, and for us. I would imagine he'd have been really looking forward to it.

Since we now have Stokes as the non-batting and non-bowling skipper I guess that means Root is now the team's all-rounder.

Kettmark

904 posts

155 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Scabutz said:
Stokes going to have to ask Ali to come back into Test cricket
Definitely will happen.

Dermot O'Logical

2,646 posts

131 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Scabutz said:
Stokes going to have to ask Ali to come back into Test cricket
Yes. Mo offers something with the bat as well.

Or Liam Dawson.

pequod

8,997 posts

140 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Scabutz said:
Stokes going to have to ask Ali to come back into Test cricket
Yes. Mo offers something with the bat as well.

Or Liam Dawson.
Good grief! We have tested a spinner in the Ireland Test match who has now declared himself unfit, albeit not his fault, but surely England should have 'blooded' another before the Ashes?

Mo or Liam, really????

Gargamel

15,051 posts

263 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Yes. Mo offers something with the bat as well.

Or Liam Dawson.
Mo offers a massive slogged six and then his wicket a few balls later.

We should move on

FredericRobinson

3,821 posts

234 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Scabutz said:
Can we change the squad now its been announced?

Bring Rehan Ahmed in?
They can change whatever they want up to the toss of each match

Cheib

23,379 posts

177 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Interesting dilemma for England. With Stokes knee not looking anything like 100% you could well imagine Australia having decided Leach was the bowler they wanted to attack and thus make our remaining three seamers work harder with less rest. With the Tests tightly packed in you can see how that becomes an issue.

I reckon given Stokes/Baz have apparently asked for flat tracks we might end up going with four seamers plus Stokes. Better to have an extra higher class seamer than a spinner the Aussies will get after. I’d go for Moeen Ali I think if he’s up for it.

Stokes said in his interview after the game that he bowled in the nets that day for the first time since he came home from the IPL and is fully confident he’ll be fit. Let’s hope so. Balance of the side will be tested severely if he’s not fit.

Root is going to get plenty of overs this summer….

Challo

10,362 posts

157 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Cheib said:
Interesting dilemma for England. With Stokes knee not looking anything like 100% you could well imagine Australia having decided Leach was the bowler they wanted to attack and thus make our remaining three seamers work harder with less rest. With the Tests tightly packed in you can see how that becomes an issue.

I reckon given Stokes/Baz have apparently asked for flat tracks we might end up going with four seamers plus Stokes. Better to have an extra higher class seamer than a spinner the Aussies will get after. I’d go for Moeen Ali I think if he’s up for it.

Stokes said in his interview after the game that he bowled in the nets that day for the first time since he came home from the IPL and is fully confident he’ll be fit. Let’s hope so. Balance of the side will be tested severely if he’s not fit.

Root is going to get plenty of overs this summer….
Could be a long summer if Stokes can’t bowl and we have no spinner. Can’t rely on Root to bowl a load of overs. He is great to try something new and get a wicket, but not to hold up an end. Might have to blood someone and hope it works.

Leithen

11,193 posts

269 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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I'd go with Livingstone to replace Leach. He can share the spinning load with Root. His inclusion strengthens the batting lineup and allows Crawley to be benched. Pope can open - there's bugger all difference between number 2 and 3. That then makes room for the fourth seamer.

My pure Bazball 11 would be;

1 Duckett
2 Pope
3 Root
4 Brook
5 Bairstow
6 Livingston
7 Stokes
8 Woakes
9 Broad
10 Wood
11 Anderson

Eight batsmen and seven bowlers.

Scabutz

7,822 posts

82 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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According to The Cricketer, Ali has confirmed he has been approached by England Management and is seriously considering a return.

His batting of late hasn't been great although there were a few games in the Hundred last year he smashed a few good scores. Might be good Nighthawk or just a low end batter to come out and entertain for a few shots and add a few runs.

Dr Imran T

2,301 posts

201 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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Would be good to see Ali back, I've always rated him but I feel he never really got the credit he deserved.

Slowboathome

3,703 posts

46 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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Dr Imran T said:
Would be good to see Ali back, I've always rated him but I feel he never really got the credit he deserved.
He might thrive under the current leadership.

Lotusgone

1,216 posts

129 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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Leithen said:
I'd go with Livingstone to replace Leach. He can share the spinning load with Root. His inclusion strengthens the batting lineup and allows Crawley to be benched. Pope can open - there's bugger all difference between number 2 and 3. That then makes room for the fourth seamer.

My pure Bazball 11 would be;

1 Duckett
2 Pope
3 Root
4 Brook
5 Bairstow
6 Livingston
7 Stokes
8 Woakes
9 Broad
10 Wood
11 Anderson

Eight batsmen and seven bowlers.
I was going to say, with Archer and Leach out, that's the Ashes gone - early injuries always seem to stuff a side's chances.

But reading that line-up actually gives scope for optimism. Even swapping Ali for Livingston.



Tony Angelino

1,973 posts

115 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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Lotusgone said:
Leithen said:
I'd go with Livingstone to replace Leach. He can share the spinning load with Root. His inclusion strengthens the batting lineup and allows Crawley to be benched. Pope can open - there's bugger all difference between number 2 and 3. That then makes room for the fourth seamer.

My pure Bazball 11 would be;

1 Duckett
2 Pope
3 Root
4 Brook
5 Bairstow
6 Livingston
7 Stokes
8 Woakes
9 Broad
10 Wood
11 Anderson

Eight batsmen and seven bowlers.
I was going to say, with Archer and Leach out, that's the Ashes gone - early injuries always seem to stuff a side's chances.

But reading that line-up actually gives scope for optimism. Even swapping Ali for Livingston.

Main problem is we are hugely unlikely to get Anderson and Broad on the field together for the whole series, especially with the extra overs the seamers will have to take now Leachy is out.

Leithen

11,193 posts

269 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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Tony Angelino said:
Lotusgone said:
Leithen said:
I'd go with Livingstone to replace Leach. He can share the spinning load with Root. His inclusion strengthens the batting lineup and allows Crawley to be benched. Pope can open - there's bugger all difference between number 2 and 3. That then makes room for the fourth seamer.

My pure Bazball 11 would be;

1 Duckett
2 Pope
3 Root
4 Brook
5 Bairstow
6 Livingston
7 Stokes
8 Woakes
9 Broad
10 Wood
11 Anderson

Eight batsmen and seven bowlers.
I was going to say, with Archer and Leach out, that's the Ashes gone - early injuries always seem to stuff a side's chances.

But reading that line-up actually gives scope for optimism. Even swapping Ali for Livingston.

Main problem is we are hugely unlikely to get Anderson and Broad on the field together for the whole series, especially with the extra overs the seamers will have to take now Leachy is out.
I think if Woakes could stay fit (don't over bowl him), then there are enough seamers to mix and match for the other three bowling slots. He can bat.

Clearly we would want Anderson producing curving wonder balls, but perhaps the clever way to approach the series is to only pick him when the forecast offers some hope of a swinging masterclass.

And once again, don't over bowl anyone. It's buggered countless England prospects, Archer most recently. Seven bowlers, five or six over spells, no more, keep rotating them.

Scabutz

7,822 posts

82 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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Leithen said:
I think if Woakes could stay fit (don't over bowl him), then there are enough seamers to mix and match for the other three bowling slots. He can bat.

Clearly we would want Anderson producing curving wonder balls, but perhaps the clever way to approach the series is to only pick him when the forecast offers some hope of a swinging masterclass.

And once again, don't over bowl anyone. It's buggered countless England prospects, Archer most recently. Seven bowlers, five or six over spells, no more, keep rotating them.
As an asside I was recently listening to Andersons book on Audible. He himself doesn't believe overcast conditions produce swing.

UTH

9,065 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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Scabutz said:
Leithen said:
I think if Woakes could stay fit (don't over bowl him), then there are enough seamers to mix and match for the other three bowling slots. He can bat.

Clearly we would want Anderson producing curving wonder balls, but perhaps the clever way to approach the series is to only pick him when the forecast offers some hope of a swinging masterclass.

And once again, don't over bowl anyone. It's buggered countless England prospects, Archer most recently. Seven bowlers, five or six over spells, no more, keep rotating them.
As an asside I was recently listening to Andersons book on Audible. He himself doesn't believe overcast conditions produce swing.
That’s probably because he believes he could get the pope to swing

UTH

9,065 posts

180 months

DeejRC

5,892 posts

84 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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UTH said:
Scabutz said:
Leithen said:
I think if Woakes could stay fit (don't over bowl him), then there are enough seamers to mix and match for the other three bowling slots. He can bat.

Clearly we would want Anderson producing curving wonder balls, but perhaps the clever way to approach the series is to only pick him when the forecast offers some hope of a swinging masterclass.

And once again, don't over bowl anyone. It's buggered countless England prospects, Archer most recently. Seven bowlers, five or six over spells, no more, keep rotating them.
As an asside I was recently listening to Andersons book on Audible. He himself doesn't believe overcast conditions produce swing.
That’s probably because he believes he could get the pope to swing
You saying he can’t?