RWC 2019

[anonymous-user]

GOATever said:

MrBarry123 said:

Thank you mods for removing the previous offensive post.

There’s no place for disgusting content like that on PH.

get a grip poppet.

Edited by GOATever on Saturday 2nd November 23:13

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Sounds like the mods might be doing you a favour. You need to wake up a bit. Nobody thinks what you posted is acceptable.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd November 08:14

[Leins]

As an Irishman it was a campaign to forget, but I hadn’t expected much due to our terrible 2019 form. Want to see some early hard decisions made now from Farrell Snr, as I believe we have the players coming through who could really make us perform at the next RWC if managed properly. As great as Schmidt has been, two QF losses are a poor reflection on his time here

Really thought England would do it this year, and had my NH hopes pinned on you. At least it wasn’t NZ yet again though I suppose. Well done SA, enjoy this one!

France were a (very) dark horse for me, had them at 28-1 and do wonder what would have happened without their meltdown in the QFs. Suppose that’s why they were 28-1 though, but the Galthie effect seems to be coming through already, and I expect them to be a challenge come the Spring

Anyway, not long to go to the Heineken Cup now, so plenty more quality rugby coming up!

[warch]

El stovey said:

Sounds like the mods might be doing you a favour. You need to wake up a bit. Nobody thinks what you posted is acceptable.

Edited by El stovey on Sunday 3rd November 08:14

I think he's gone off to complain about Muslims on the politics threads.

Back on topic I really thought England had the raw materials and strength in the squad to beat South Africa, but were tactically naive, you can't keep conceding penalties within range of the posts. I agree that Wales did much better in this respect in the semis.

There is a suspicion that England overtrained in the week before the final but the main problem I think is a long running lack of flexibility, where we struggle to adapt to different playing styles.

[Derek Smith]

XCP said:

El stovey said:

Looks like it was because some Welsh fans started sniggering just after England lost.

The reaction of some Welshmen of my acquaintance has been remarkable. If I didn't know better I would think that they actually wanted SA to win.

My Welsh son in law went shopping for kids shoes rather than watch, because he thought England might win. ( apparently the shops in Bath were largely deserted)

Welsh guys I used to play with have been almost gleeful at the result. Bizarre. I really find it hard to fathom. I would support any NH side against any SH team. I took no pleasure whatsoever when NZ beat Wales.

Is that wrong??

I've had a couple of emails from Welsh rugby players I know. There was a remarkable lack of ribbing in the first ones, and as the conversation developed it turned into a discussion about the RWC as a whole. No nastiness, not relishing the loss, just enjoyment of a great tournament (well done Japan). I'd emailed them when they lost to the ABs. What would anyone say but well played/hard luck/sorry you're not in the final.

The reaction on here does seem strange. I've flicked back through the thread and couldn't find any English comments about the Welsh loss to the ABs that were nasty, and no rejoicing.

I've had too many good times with the Welsh in rugby matters to do anything but support them in any tournament after my national sides. It makes one wonder if those making comments follow rugby, or have ever been to Twickenham for a Wales/England match where you sit side by side with the foe for the 80 mins, then talk about the match, that is until the buggers start singing, whether they won or lost.

This is rugby for heaven's sake. The sport where you mix with the other supporters.

[Derek Smith]

Leins said:

As an Irishman it was a campaign to forget, but I hadn’t expected much due to our terrible 2019 form. Want to see some early hard decisions made now from Farrell Snr, as I believe we have the players coming through who could really make us perform at the next RWC if managed properly. As great as Schmidt has been, two QF losses are a poor reflection on his time here

Really thought England would do it this year, and had my NH hopes pinned on you. At least it wasn’t NZ yet again though I suppose. Well done SA, enjoy this one!

France were a (very) dark horse for me, had them at 28-1 and do wonder what would have happened without their meltdown in the QFs. Suppose that’s why they were 28-1 though, but the Galthie effect seems to be coming through already, and I expect them to be a challenge come the Spring

Anyway, not long to go to the Heineken Cup now, so plenty more quality rugby coming up!

I thought Ireland might have gone further. On the other hand, as you say, more quality rugby to come.

I thought the tournament was thoroughly enjoyable. It was a shame that the final wasn't closer and more exciting though. Still, plenty of other matches to enjoy. Well played Japan for the way they played and their organisation.

[anonymous-user]

phil_cardiff said:

Love the way a desire for an alternative is bitterness. What's there to be bitter about? We both want the same thing don't we?

As for the rugby - my feelings are quite clear when I've interacted with decent fans online and in person.

You’re the opposite of most fans I spend time with tbh, you’d probably be better off watching footy.

[Adam B]

Trophy Husband said:

Ending a game 3 points shy of the World Champions not bad though eh? Scoring a couple of tries against the World Champions not bad though eh? Beats getting smashed off the park wouldn't you say? At least Wales had an answer to SA play albeit fell a little short in the final knockings. England were like none swimmers in the big pool unfortunately.

What dumb logic

SA played their best game by far in the final and would possibly have beaten the Welsh by a similar score line had they played the same in the semi. England also played below par

As many have said any of the top sides can have a great or off day and beat the other

Edited by Adam B on Sunday 3rd November 09:52

[irocfan]

Derek Smith said:

I've had a couple of emails from Welsh rugby players I know. There was a remarkable lack of ribbing in the first ones, and as the conversation developed it turned into a discussion about the RWC as a whole. No nastiness, not relishing the loss, just enjoyment of a great tournament (well done Japan). I'd emailed them when they lost to the ABs. What would anyone say but well played/hard luck/sorry you're not in the final.

The reaction on here does seem strange. I've flicked back through the thread and couldn't find any English comments about the Welsh loss to the ABs that were nasty, and no rejoicing.

I've had too many good times with the Welsh in rugby matters to do anything but support them in any tournament after my national sides. It makes one wonder if those making comments follow rugby, or have ever been to Twickenham for a Wales/England match where you sit side by side with the foe for the 80 mins, then talk about the match, that is until the buggers start singing, whether they won or lost.

This is rugby for heaven's sake. The sport where you mix with the other supporters.

TBH I've got no issue with the ribbing - it's all part and parcel. However, comments like "well Wales only lost by 3 therefore we'd have beaten England easily #notworthyfinalists" or "Good luck SA, anything to stop the Poms fluking another RWC" go a little further (IMO)

[Derek Smith]

irocfan said:

TBH I've got no issue with the ribbing - it's all part and parcel. However, comments like "well Wales only lost by 3 therefore we'd have beaten England easily #notworthyfinalists" or "Good luck SA, anything to stop the Poms fluking another RWC" go a little further (IMO)

I love ribbing. I reckon it's great. It makes Wales/England matches what they are. The English group I was with was ribbed on the way back from a Wales defeat. Stuck in a train with a group of Welsh supports singing despite losing. It's a bucket list experience. I was at an under-19s England/Wales match in the Gower, on a wet February Thursday evening. It was raining and the wind make kicking risky. I sat in with the Welsh parents and it made the evening. Great fun, despite them being beaten. There were some really interesting comments on the play, and some incisive wit when things didn't go the way they were intended. My lad played well, and the Welsh were full of praise for him, even offering advice as to his weaknesses. It was a great night's rugby because of the way the Welsh and English fans got on.

The comment on a Welsh bloke not wanting to watch a RWC final, and going shopping instead; I don't know one English rugby fan who would have done the same, had not been glued to the screen, if it was Wales in the final.

In all honesty, I'd have preferred Wales or Ireland to win the final rather than the poor display we put on.

[Stella Tortoise]

Derek Smith said:

I love ribbing. I reckon it's great. It makes Wales/England matches what they are. The English group I was with was ribbed on the way back from a Wales defeat. Stuck in a train with a group of Welsh supports singing despite losing. It's a bucket list experience. I was at an under-19s England/Wales match in the Gower, on a wet February Thursday evening. It was raining and the wind make kicking risky. I sat in with the Welsh parents and it made the evening. Great fun, despite them being beaten. There were some really interesting comments on the play, and some incisive wit when things didn't go the way they were intended. My lad played well, and the Welsh were full of praise for him, even offering advice as to his weaknesses. It was a great night's rugby because of the way the Welsh and English fans got on.

The comment on a Welsh bloke not wanting to watch a RWC final, and going shopping instead; I don't know one English rugby fan who would have done the same, had not been glued to the screen, if it was Wales in the final.

In all honesty, I'd have preferred Wales or Ireland to win the final rather than the poor display we put on.

Is there an echo in here?

[epom]

Good job none of us won anything so

[warch]

I dislike nationalism of any stripe, it rarely has any positive aspects and is often founded on historical enmity or misunderstandings about people from other countries. I can't see the logic in disliking someone because of their nationality or because of something that happened long ago in the past.

I'm not Welsh at all as far as I am aware, but I would like Wales to do well and hopefully win a WC one day, they're certainly in the running based on this year's competition.

[Taylor James]

There's significant number of Welsh, Scottish and Irish who are quite venemously anti-English. They carry massive chips on their shoulders and take great pleasure in any English misfortune in any sport or in just about anything else. Their comments are characterised by bile and bitterness and their so-called banter is laced with spite. They bring race into everything. Every now and again these people surface in sporting discussions which is a shame. They should really be in some dump of a pub in a crappy little town blaming the English for their woes. I don't know any English people who delight in misfortunes that befall the Irish, Scots or Welsh but if I did it wouldn't be for long. They are clearly morons who belong in the same pub as the asinine Celts. It's a bloody game for Christ's sake.

Back to rugby, we have seen that most of the top teams can beat each other on any given day and that there isn't necessarily one style that beats all. To paraphrase Dallaglio yesterday, you can win a rugby game in many ways but you can't win it without a scrum. We were overpowered yesterday and didn't know how to change the record. Somehow or other we contrived to play exactly the way SA wanted to play and I would be more interested in the backroom and coaching decisions that led to that than what happened on the field. Most of the players tried hard - I thought May, Itoje, Curry, Underhill, Watson and both Vunipolas put in a shift. Daly, Ford, Farrell, George, Cole and Slade were poor. I still think England need a better on field captain than Farrell.

[Leins]

epom said:

Good job none of us won anything so

Fair play to Felix Jones though, great experience for him and his coaching CV

[Stuart70]

yellowjack said:

Want to? Maybe not. But let's face facts. There can be only one winning team, it's the way the tournament is organised. Twenty teams started, and if the qualifying process went to plan they'd be the twenty best international teams on earth right now. To have surpassed the performances (or at least the results) of all but one of them is an achievement. And they should have been bloody-well told to wear the medals.

As a sportsman all my life, it's a vital element of sportsmanship. You stick around after the game to congratulate your opponents on a fight well fought. In amateur sport, also to buy them a drink, and maybe feed them too. Slinking off after spitting your dummy out and throwing the toys out behind it? No matter how much "will to win" you have, you should be man enough to bite your tongue and shake your opponents' hands. Learning to lose with dignity, and taking pride in your performance even in defeat is part of the journey to winning.

Bloody well said. Disgraceful behaviour by the England squad.

[Robbo66]

Derek Smith said:

In all honesty, I'd have preferred Wales or Ireland to win the final rather than the poor display we put on.

Derek. You didn’t put on a poor display, you were blown off the park. You didn’t lose, you were soundly beaten. There is a huge difference
I see it in tennis all the time, ‘I played badly so lost’. 99% of the time it’s utter B/S....you’re beaten and not allowed to play your own game.
Please don’t get me started on the medal thing either. It’s should have been a dummy, not a silver medal.

[anonymous-user]

Taylor James said:

There's significant number of Welsh, Scottish and Irish who are quite venemously anti-English. They carry massive chips on their shoulders and take great pleasure in any English misfortune in any sport or in just about anything else. Their comments are characterised by bile and bitterness and their so-called banter is laced with spite. They bring race into everything. Every now and again these people surface in sporting discussions which is a shame. They should really be in some dump of a pub in a crappy little town blaming the English for their woes. I don't know any English people who delight in misfortunes that befall the Irish, Scots or Welsh but if I did it wouldn't be for long. They are clearly morons who belong in the same pub as the asinine Celts. It's a bloody game for Christ's sake.

Back to rugby, we have seen that most of the top teams can beat each other on any given day and that there isn't necessarily one style that beats all. To paraphrase Dallaglio yesterday, you can win a rugby game in many ways but you can't win it without a scrum. We were overpowered yesterday and didn't know how to change the record. Somehow or other we contrived to play exactly the way SA wanted to play and I would be more interested in the backroom and coaching decisions that led to that than what happened on the field. Most of the players tried hard - I thought May, Itoje, Curry, Underhill, Watson and both Vunipolas put in a shift. Daly, Ford, Farrell, George, Cole and Slade were poor. I still think England need a better on field captain than Farrell.

Completely right, on both counts. Great post.

[anonymous-user]

My Welsh work colleague had great delight telling me how much he liked the score at the end. And then quickly shut up when I pointed they have never been in a final....
I also like to rib him back saying whenever I try to Google when did Wales last win the rugby world Cup, I just get Error 404.

[Stella Tortoise]

flashbang said:

My Welsh work colleague had great delight telling me how much he liked the score at the end. And then quickly shut up when I pointed they have never been in a final....
I also like to rib him back saying whenever I try to Google when did Wales last win the rugby world Cup, I just get Error 404.

Easy now, you'll be sent to that pub mentioned above.

[768]

Stuart70 said:

yellowjack said:

Want to? Maybe not. But let's face facts. There can be only one winning team, it's the way the tournament is organised. Twenty teams started, and if the qualifying process went to plan they'd be the twenty best international teams on earth right now. To have surpassed the performances (or at least the results) of all but one of them is an achievement. And they should have been bloody-well told to wear the medals.

As a sportsman all my life, it's a vital element of sportsmanship. You stick around after the game to congratulate your opponents on a fight well fought. In amateur sport, also to buy them a drink, and maybe feed them too. Slinking off after spitting your dummy out and throwing the toys out behind it? No matter how much "will to win" you have, you should be man enough to bite your tongue and shake your opponents' hands. Learning to lose with dignity, and taking pride in your performance even in defeat is part of the journey to winning.

Bloody well said. Disgraceful behaviour by the England squad.

They did all that, didn't they? Shook their opponents hands, congratulated them, made no excuses, spoke to the press, swapped shirts, did their social media duties. I thought everyone I heard speak was dignified and very sporting.

Then some of them don't wear their medals and you lot get your knickers in a twist. Their medals. They've earned them, they can do what they like with them as far as I'm concerned.

There's two sides to sporting behaviour. You lot are missing one of them, despite all your silver world cup medal experience from a lifetime of sport.