England cricket 2023 & 2024

England cricket 2023 & 2024

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jbswagger

766 posts

203 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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TheAngryDog said:
Poor choice of captain for me.

He's a good cricketer, one of our best, but I'm really not sure about his capacity to captain and whether he can deal with the pressure.
Exactly my thoughts.

Gargamel

15,047 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Kettmark said:
Challo said:
We don’t have a good enough team to be able to carry someone. Everyone in the team needs to pull their weight either with the bat or ball.
Totally agree but apart from Root, who did during the last test series?
Bairstow averaged 48.5 in the Ashes series and 45.4 in the WI series recently, scoring centuries in both series.


Gargamel

15,047 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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England Selectors have learned nothing from the Botham/Flintoff captaincy choices.

Stokes is a top man, and when you need a performance he has done it time and again for England. I think though his best days as a cricketer are behind him. If you pick Stokes - then you better be working on developing the next one. We will need them within 18 months.


jbswagger

766 posts

203 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Was it a change from the usual poicy of picking the best batsman at the time?

FredericRobinson

3,820 posts

234 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Kettmark said:
Rob Key is the main man now so it will be a Kent player as next skipper, Mark my words.
0/10

Smollet

10,802 posts

192 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Gargamel said:
England Selectors have learned nothing from the Botham/Flintoff captaincy choices.

Stokes is a top man, and when you need a performance he has done it time and again for England. I think though his best days as a cricketer are behind him. If you pick Stokes - then you better be working on developing the next one. We will need them within 18 months.
I’d rather they’d picked YJB. A similar feisty character but we can afford to have his career ruined by being Captain. We don’t have the same luxury with Stokes

spikeyhead

17,460 posts

199 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Tis a dumber choice than appointing the pedalo pilot to the position a few years back

Murph7355

37,886 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Smollet said:
Gargamel said:
England Selectors have learned nothing from the Botham/Flintoff captaincy choices.

Stokes is a top man, and when you need a performance he has done it time and again for England. I think though his best days as a cricketer are behind him. If you pick Stokes - then you better be working on developing the next one. We will need them within 18 months.
I’d rather they’d picked YJB. A similar feisty character but we can afford to have his career ruined by being Captain. We don’t have the same luxury with Stokes
YJB has the same frailties as Stokes.

Poor choice. Indicative that the top brass are still clueless.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Choosing a new captain is just tinkering around the edges, it doesn’t alter the basic issue that we don’t have enough Test players at an international level, and that all our decent players would rather play limited overs.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

48 months

Friday 29th April 2022
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I can see Stokes lasting a short time, he is not mentally prepared for it, and as most captains will admit, that is the hardest part, dealing with all the extra stuff, not simply the cricket, being pilloried for your decision making is the tough bnit

jimmytheone

1,411 posts

220 months

Friday 29th April 2022
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I think this will be detrimental to Stokes as a player, and a person - as mentioned above there's a whole load of extra pressure being captain and i dont think he's up to it - let him concentrate on being a great all-rounder.

It also doesnt help England in the longer term as we'll be in exactly the same position within 1-2 years, and probably still no further in finding a suitable replacement.

Smollet

10,802 posts

192 months

Friday 29th April 2022
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jimmytheone said:
I think this will be detrimental to Stokes as a player, and a person - as mentioned above there's a whole load of extra pressure being captain and i dont think he's up to it - let him concentrate on being a great all-rounder.

It also doesnt help England in the longer term as we'll be in exactly the same position within 1-2 years, and probably still no further in finding a suitable replacement.
Agreed and we’ll be minus one excellent all rounder.

Dermot O'Logical

2,643 posts

131 months

Friday 29th April 2022
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We only need to look at the lessons from making Botham and Flintoff captain to see that it's not the best idea in the history of English cricket, but who else could do the job?

Mike Brearley's probably past it now, we need another Oxbridge scholar who knows a bit about psychology, and how to man-manage and control a herd of cats, moulding them into a world-beating team.

pequod

8,997 posts

140 months

Friday 29th April 2022
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Dermot O'Logical said:
We only need to look at the lessons from making Botham and Flintoff captain to see that it's not the best idea in the history of English cricket, but who else could do the job?

Mike Brearley's probably past it now, we need another Oxbridge scholar who knows a bit about psychology, and how to man-manage and control a herd of cats, moulding them into a world-beating team.
You are probably correct, sadly, but Smith did well for Australia until his stupid fall from grace.

England will never select another Oxbridge scholar ... politically, or otherwise as the game has moved on and the system of producing cricketers from the higher echelons of society is probably illegal!!!

Keeping everything crossed that Ben can be 'lucky'!

speedy_thrills

7,762 posts

245 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Brendon McCullum (B-Mac) as test coach is probably the best staffing choice the ECB has made in a long time. He was hugely influential in raising New Zealands performance. It might take a few years to set up the talent pipeline but he's hard nosed enough to get them there.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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speedy_thrills said:
Brendon McCullum (B-Mac) as test coach is probably the best staffing choice the ECB has made in a long time. He was hugely influential in raising New Zealands performance. It might take a few years to set up the talent pipeline but he's hard nosed enough to get them there.
Agreed.

The issue is the number and quality of test players available to the team as you point out but this is definitely a step in the right direction.


speedy_thrills

7,762 posts

245 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Even in the interim England could give themselves half a chance by just improving their woeful fielding for example. There probably isn't a quick fix but as long as the test team are constantly improving year by year I think fans will give B-Mac some leeway to get on with it.

Smollet

10,802 posts

192 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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James Anderson & Stuart Broad recalled by England for New Zealand Tests
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61445437

Dermot O'Logical

2,643 posts

131 months

Wednesday 18th May 2022
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Smollet said:
James Anderson & Stuart Broad recalled by England for New Zealand Tests
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61445437
Good, although with all of the young quicks falling over with back-related long term injuries, we had little choice.

Still. We're only playing New Zealand, who only just won the World Test Championship Final against India, so we should be fine.

DeejRC

5,886 posts

84 months

Thursday 19th May 2022
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It’s not the bowling that is the problem. Besides you could put another decade on Jimmy and abroad and I’d still back in English conditions.
The batting performances have been simply woeful. It’s the long and short of it.