The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

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creampuff

6,511 posts

145 months

Saturday 2nd June 2018
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Is that in a park? Can you shoot it in a park without an ARV turning up?

tumble dryer

2,027 posts

129 months

Saturday 2nd June 2018
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chemistry said:
Daughter picked up her new bow yesterday, so we were setting it up this morning. I know it’s not a gun, but it it is a tool for target shooting and does have a trigger (release aid) and a telescopic sight (scope + peep sight) so I thought it ok to post here...beer



Tell us the spec!

Distance? Accuracy? Power?

I've been around firearms for most of my life, all sorts, but never shot a bow (well, not without a sucker on the end of the arrow!)

It's always been one of those things I wanted to try.....

chemistry

2,201 posts

111 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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tumble dryer said:
Tell us the spec!

Distance? Accuracy? Power?

I've been around firearms for most of my life, all sorts, but never shot a bow (well, not without a sucker on the end of the arrow!)

It's always been one of those things I wanted to try.....
No you can't just shoot one in the local park; this photo was taken at our archery club!

Yes you should try one; compound bows in particular are quite 'gun like' to shoot. You can do target archery (targets at known distances on flat fields - a bit like trap or skeet) and also field archery (targets at unknown distances, on uneven terrain - a bit like sporting clays).

The bow is a Hoyt Pro Force compound bow with a Shibuya scope, Shrewd stabilisers and Carter Fits Me Too release aid. Arrows are Easton ACG (an aluminium core wrapped with carbon fibre). The target is 122cm in diameter and 70m away in the photo.

Distance - competitions are shot at distances from 18m (indoor) to 100 yards (longest outdoor gents distance)

Accuracy - good club level archers can keep most/all arrows in the gold (the 24cm wide yellow 'bullseye') at 70m with a compound bow. Arrows outside the red (48cm diameter) scoring zones would be very annoying.

Power - the max allowable draw weight for competitions is 60lbs. My daughter is only 15 so her bow is set lower - approx 40lbs. Arrows weigh 300 grains (100gr point and 200gr shaft) and travel at around 250 to 275 ft sec, so that's about 40 to 50 ft lb of energy; something like 1/3 the power of a .22LR?


Edited by chemistry on Monday 4th June 18:22

tumble dryer

2,027 posts

129 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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chemistry said:
tumble dryer said:
Tell us the spec!

Distance? Accuracy? Power?

I've been around firearms for most of my life, all sorts, but never shot a bow (well, not without a sucker on the end of the arrow!)

It's always been one of those things I wanted to try.....
No you can't just shoot one in the local park; this photo was taken at our archery club!

Yes you should try one; compound bows in particular are quite 'gun like' to shoot. You can do target archery (targets at known distances on flat fields - a bit like trap or skeet) and also field archery (targets at unknown distances, on uneven terrain - a bit like sporting clays).

The bow is a Hoyt Pro Force compound bow with a Shibuya scope, Shrewd stabilisers and Carter Fits Me Too release aid. Arrows are Easton ACG (an aluminium core wrapped with carbon fibre). The target is 122cm in diameter and 70m away in the photo.

Distance - competitions are shot at distances from 18m (indoor) to 100 yards (longest outdoor gents distance)

Accuracy - good club level archers can keep most/all arrows in the gold (the 12cm wide yellow 'bullseye') at 70m with a compound bow. Arrows outside the red (24cm diameter) scoring zones would be very annoying.

Power - the max allowable draw weight for competitions is 60lbs. My daughter is only 15 so her bow is set lower - approx 40lbs. Arrows weigh 300 grains (100gr point and 200gr shaft) and travel at around 250 to 275 ft sec, so that's about 40 to 50 ft lb of energy; something like 1/3 the power of a .22LR?
Really excellent reply! Thank you.thumbup

Return question (complete noob mind) is there a 'discipline' that shoots at moving stuff/things. 'Practical', if that makes sense?

I only ask because back in the day I was ACE with those sucker arrows against my mates biggrin that, and I get bored with static stuff. (I appreciate that the interaction with pistol/rifle/shotgun pales compared with archery (no bang powder) and that physical dexterity/ability plays a far greater role.)

Pesty

42,655 posts

258 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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I now want to shoot moving targets with a bow

Edited by Pesty on Monday 4th June 06:55

tumble dryer

2,027 posts

129 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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Pesty said:
I know want to shoot moving targets with a bow
Who doesn't?? smilesmile



creampuff

6,511 posts

145 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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Pesty said:
I know want to shoot moving targets with a bow
I want to shoot moving targets with a bow while riding a galloping horse wink

tumble dryer

2,027 posts

129 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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Bolting rabbit buffalo!

chemistry

2,201 posts

111 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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creampuff - shooting from horseback is definitely an option: https://www.bhaa.org.uk/

tumbledryer, Pesty - the closest thing to 'practical' archery is probably Instinctive 3D, where you shoot in woodland at life size foam animals (and dinosaurs, etc.). I believe that occasionally a few can be moving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9j__Y6_feY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO_Lb36-M1s&t=...

I hope that helps! If you fancy giving it a go, the best bet is to contact your nearest archery club/shop for more info about what's on offer locally.

Right, back to guns!

200Plus Club

10,845 posts

280 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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Other than being pestered by mozzies I had a lovely summer evening shoot last night with the hmr. Two rabbits at 67 and 97 yards both headshot. (Messy).
Who else is on hmr and which gun do you own? I've a weihrauch hw66j which I'm getting to love.

aeropilot

34,924 posts

229 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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chemistry said:
creampuff - shooting from horseback is definitely an option: https://www.bhaa.org.uk/
Crikey.........!

I'm surprised that the yanks haven't taken the sport of cowboy action shooting to that level and introduced mounted cowboy action shooting comps............might be a H&S step too far though, even for them.

Fun idea though smile


200Plus Club

10,845 posts

280 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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I've a 24lb or so bow and some graphite /alloy arrows I got in a decathlon sale for £70 or so all in. Bought a target boss made up of layers of compressed foam that's very hard wearing so maybe 100 quid all in, love having a practise at home (only 5m range) but quite relaxing as a hobby.

Brads67

3,199 posts

100 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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If I remember correctly from my dabble in archery, yes, you can shoot in the local park. You`re only committing an offence if you cause danger to anyone or property.

Might not be worth testing that out nowadays given how stupid both the public and the police are about anything.
You`d probably be accused of a terrorist plot to silently assassinate the Queen or somit.

chemistry

2,201 posts

111 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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You are probably right on both counts smile

chemistry

2,201 posts

111 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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200Plus Club said:
I've a 24lb or so bow and some graphite /alloy arrows I got in a decathlon sale for £70 or so all in. Bought a target boss made up of layers of compressed foam that's very hard wearing so maybe 100 quid all in, love having a practise at home (only 5m range) but quite relaxing as a hobby.
Sounds ideal; no reason why you can't primarily have guns (like your recent successful outing with your .17HMR) but do a bit of archery for fun alongside that. The fact that bows can be had quite cheaply, you don't need a license or secure storage and can be used in relatively small spaces (even just 5m, as you say) means they can often be used where/when guns cannot.

Also, I've found bows to be a good way to introduce 'anti-gun' people to shooting generally. Folks are usually happy to try archery (genteel image, no recoil, no bang) and often surprise themselves with how well they do and how much they enjoy shooting. At that point you can then suggest that they could try a silenced PCP air rifle next, which is just as quiet and recoil free but actually much less powerful that the bow they were happily shooting...

MKnight702

3,115 posts

216 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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creampuff said:
Pesty said:
I know want to shoot moving targets with a bow
I want to shoot moving targets with a bow while riding a galloping horse wink
This guy is awesome (and I don't say that lightly) and he has a modern solution, drive by shooting from a motorbike. Oh and if you watch to the end he does a much more impressive version of the Robin Hood split arrow.

Next Level Archery

red_slr

17,402 posts

191 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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Sad to read that English Shooting has closed down. Sounds like there have been some legal issues in the background but now turns out he had his FAC revoked 2 years ago. Quite enjoyed some of his videos and there are not many people in the UK who are doing UK based shooting video so a big shame its gone.

200Plus Club

10,845 posts

280 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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Lamping tomorrow night and with the warm weather the rabbits are out in force.
Anyone doing much on pigeons at the minute or still quiet?

aeropilot

34,924 posts

229 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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200Plus Club said:
Anyone doing much on pigeons at the minute or still quiet?
Just being talking on phone with my mate, and he said he'd just downed a pigeon in his back garden with his .410......but, he lives in Wiltshire, with only one house close by for neighbours, and they also bunny and pigeon bash in their grounds as well.........biggrin

200Plus Club

10,845 posts

280 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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I've a silenced Mossberg pump action .410 and it's pretty quiet here too lol. Squirrels for me in garden but usually with air rifle.