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red_slr said:
...not many people in the UK who are doing UK based shooting video so a big shame its gone.
There are plans to make the situation better, but it's too early to reveal who, what or when.What happened to English Shooting is being discussed by people who only know a small part of what actually happened or have an axe to grind. In time, the whole story may come out but for now I'd suggest keeping an open mind as it's not quite as black and white as some are making out.
aeropilot said:
Hoppum said:
Went to buy one German WW2 rifle and did a deal on sort of two.
Mauser K98 is a 1937 S/42 model with all numbers matching bar the woodwork which is the same year but different number.
Got the practically new GSG Stg-44 for £240 with a spare 24rnd mag, which when the mags seem to be selling for £60+ seems like a pretty good deal.
Top work............ Mauser K98 is a 1937 S/42 model with all numbers matching bar the woodwork which is the same year but different number.
Got the practically new GSG Stg-44 for £240 with a spare 24rnd mag, which when the mags seem to be selling for £60+ seems like a pretty good deal.
Looks like a nice early date walnut furniture Oberndorf made K......very nice if matching as well. Need to find an original sling for that one.
Yeah, normal give away of Portuguese contract is the big crest on top of the receiver and the relocated sling swivels.
If none of those must be really earlier contract, as you say, pretty much a standard issue Wehrmacht rifle.
Most saw little hard use apart from some minor colonial skirmishes, so are usually in good nick with good bores, and make good shooters, and an early pre-WW2 one would have been especially well made by Mauser being a foreign contract rifle.
The odd box of surplus Portuguese made mil surp ammo occasionally still turns up now and again as well
Do you intend hand-loading the 7.92x57...?
Will hopefully have my K98 in a couple of weeks time, have heard its just back from UK proofing
If none of those must be really earlier contract, as you say, pretty much a standard issue Wehrmacht rifle.
Most saw little hard use apart from some minor colonial skirmishes, so are usually in good nick with good bores, and make good shooters, and an early pre-WW2 one would have been especially well made by Mauser being a foreign contract rifle.
The odd box of surplus Portuguese made mil surp ammo occasionally still turns up now and again as well
Do you intend hand-loading the 7.92x57...?
Will hopefully have my K98 in a couple of weeks time, have heard its just back from UK proofing
Yeah there's no distinguishing marks on any of the metal work to set it apart from a German order rifle, it's only the Portuguese crest and serial number on the left of the stock, other than the lack of Heer/Luftwaffe/Kreigsmarine/SS mark on the right side of the stock, that sets it apart.
I've been quite lucky with my service rifles so far, my Long Branch No4 Mk1* is from a post war Italian Navy contract, they only bought the rifles but no ammunition so the vast majority were only ever used for ceremonial drills, means the woodwork has a nice patina but the metalwork and bore is practically brand new.
I've got some PPU 7.92x57 to run through it next weekend, haven't invested in hand-loading as I barely get enough time to shoot, let alone reload. Where's good to keep an eye for surplus?
What's the spec of your K98?
I've been quite lucky with my service rifles so far, my Long Branch No4 Mk1* is from a post war Italian Navy contract, they only bought the rifles but no ammunition so the vast majority were only ever used for ceremonial drills, means the woodwork has a nice patina but the metalwork and bore is practically brand new.
I've got some PPU 7.92x57 to run through it next weekend, haven't invested in hand-loading as I barely get enough time to shoot, let alone reload. Where's good to keep an eye for surplus?
What's the spec of your K98?
Edited by Hoppum on Thursday 14th June 16:32
FurtiveFreddy said:
What happened to English Shooting....
Hmmm. Only just read about that. I watched a few of his vids, but never subscribed. I didn't think he said anything he shouldn't have, although I think it was him who did a vid on S.5 firearms and I thought he should have kept some of his opinions on S.5 to himself. Do we FAC holders need to be _that_ careful of what is said on public forums, or were there additional things which lead to his FAC revocation?
creampuff said:
Hmmm. Only just read about that. I watched a few of his vids, but never subscribed. I didn't think he said anything he shouldn't have, although I think it was him who did a vid on S.5 firearms and I thought he should have kept some of his opinions on S.5 to himself.
Do we FAC holders need to be _that_ careful of what is said on public forums, or were there additional things which lead to his FAC revocation?
There were several things which added up in this case to first his certificates being revoked and his guns confiscated and then more recently to the force in question refusing a re-application. The question is whether any or all of those things justified the decisions made.Do we FAC holders need to be _that_ careful of what is said on public forums, or were there additional things which lead to his FAC revocation?
Yes, there is no question FAC holders need to be *that* careful what they say on public forums, social media and channels, although it's obviously going to bring you more attention if you run one of a small number of shooting channels on YT than if you just post a comment on one.
The authorities can only play catch-up to the tsunami of information, mis-information, opinions, preaching and downright nastiness appearing online daily and unfortunately sometimes it's going to be the soft targets and low hanging fruit they go after and make an example of.
It seems we all have to 'keep our heads down' if we want a quiet life.
The Offensive Weapons 2018 Bill has finally been presented to Parliament today.
The interesting part for shooters is this:
"Legislative measures will amend section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 to include "any
rifle from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than 13,600
joules at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged;" and "any rifle with a chamber
from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas,
or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas,
other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"
So it clarifies what they are proposing to ban, at least, and there's still time to have these proposals amended or scrapped if a concerted effort is made by those with some influence.
The interesting part for shooters is this:
"Legislative measures will amend section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 to include "any
rifle from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than 13,600
joules at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged;" and "any rifle with a chamber
from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas,
or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas,
other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"
So it clarifies what they are proposing to ban, at least, and there's still time to have these proposals amended or scrapped if a concerted effort is made by those with some influence.
Pesty said:
Anybody got an extremely simple way to find out distance to the lands?
I reload but I always just use the manual OAL. Would like to try and work out what is more accurate etc
Without buying a 'stoney point' type gauge, the only way I know is to get an (unprimed) case with enough neck tension to hold the bullet snugly, then make up a dummy round with this case and the bullet you are using, with the OAL at near maximum, then very carefully chamber and unload this round. I reload but I always just use the manual OAL. Would like to try and work out what is more accurate etc
Hopefully, the bullet will be pushed into the case but not hard enough so it sticks in the rifling when you go to extract it.
Or, you could remove the extractor from the bolt and after chambering the round, push it out using a cleaning rod.
Or, just stop messing around and buy a stoney point gauge!
FurtiveFreddy said:
The Offensive Weapons 2018 Bill has finally been presented to Parliament today.
The interesting part for shooters is this:
"Legislative measures will amend section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 to include "any
rifle from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than 13,600
joules at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged;" and "any rifle with a chamber
from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas,
or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas,
other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"
So it clarifies what they are proposing to ban, at least, and there's still time to have these proposals amended or scrapped if a concerted effort is made by those with some influence.
TBH its no surprise that MARS and LR are going to be banned, they were always "work arounds". 50 cal though, I think its a sad day when we ban something just "in case" and given that these are single shot bolt action rifles its hardly something AQ etal are going to be interested given they can easily get full auto AKs etc.The interesting part for shooters is this:
"Legislative measures will amend section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 to include "any
rifle from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than 13,600
joules at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged;" and "any rifle with a chamber
from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas,
or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas,
other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"
So it clarifies what they are proposing to ban, at least, and there's still time to have these proposals amended or scrapped if a concerted effort is made by those with some influence.
I wonder is Southern Gun and CA will survive this.
red_slr said:
TBH its no surprise that MARS and LR are going to be banned, they were always "work arounds". 50 cal though, I think its a sad day when we ban something just "in case" and given that these are single shot bolt action rifles its hardly something AQ etal are going to be interested given they can easily get full auto AKs etc.
I wonder is Southern Gun and CA will survive this.
You really do wonder what they will turn their attention to next considering neither category of gun are particularly likely to be used in any sort of terrorist/criminal activity.I wonder is Southern Gun and CA will survive this.
This is purely and simply the Police trying to flex their muscles. They won't be happy until the civilian population are disarmed completely.
FurtiveFreddy said:
red_slr said:
TBH its no surprise that MARS and LR are going to be banned, they were always "work arounds". 50 cal though, I think its a sad day when we ban something just "in case" and given that these are single shot bolt action rifles its hardly something AQ etal are going to be interested given they can easily get full auto AKs etc.
I wonder is Southern Gun and CA will survive this.
You really do wonder what they will turn their attention to next considering neither category of gun are particularly likely to be used in any sort of terrorist/criminal activity.I wonder is Southern Gun and CA will survive this.
This is purely and simply the Police trying to flex their muscles.
Certainly when I attended the Met.Police Club Sec's meeting held a few months ago, their head of Firearms openly stated the opinion they are as perplexed as the rest of us in respect of the .50cal issue specifically.
aeropilot said:
This HO pushing this, not Police in general.
Certainly when I attended the Met.Police Club Sec's meeting held a few months ago, their head of Firearms openly stated the opinion they are as perplexed as the rest of us in respect of the .50cal issue specifically.
No, the Police are very much responsible for this. They can pretend to be perplexed and maybe individual Police offers don't agree with what's going on, but this is driven by the Police and NABIS.Certainly when I attended the Met.Police Club Sec's meeting held a few months ago, their head of Firearms openly stated the opinion they are as perplexed as the rest of us in respect of the .50cal issue specifically.
The documents published today don't hide the fact:
HO said:
The purpose of firearms legislation is to reduce the risk that firearms can be used in
criminal activity. Those working within law enforcement have raised concern that the
weapons, to be inserted under section 5, have the potential to cause significant
damage if they were to get into the hands of terrorists, criminals or an individual
seeking to commit a major shooting atrocity.
criminal activity. Those working within law enforcement have raised concern that the
weapons, to be inserted under section 5, have the potential to cause significant
damage if they were to get into the hands of terrorists, criminals or an individual
seeking to commit a major shooting atrocity.
Pesty said:
So they are scared of 50 cal but totally fine with .338 Lapua.
Did they explain that?
I’ll have a look at that gauge.
The muzzle energy of .338 is less than 50% of .50 but that's really not the point as we all know. As for explaining their thinking, do you really think that's going to be logical?Did they explain that?
I’ll have a look at that gauge.
Those gauges aren't expensive. You could make one if you're that way inclined...
The cost wasn’t the issue the docking around modifying cases etc looked a faff and for whatever reason these days I need as little faff as possible so the Sinclair Bullet Seating Depth Tool things was not only cheaper but didn’t need to modify the cases.
So I ordered one of them and some projectiles and now I’m £100 quid lighter
So I ordered one of them and some projectiles and now I’m £100 quid lighter
Hoppum said:
What's the spec of your K98?
Norwegian capture, and one of the post war modified to 30-06 for the Norwegian forces.They were all relegated to reserve use or storage within a few years of be converted so most have pretty good to mint condition barrels, and they only picked early dated rifles to convert (mostly pre-43) that were better built.
Ageing eyesight means I struggle with battle sights now, so want to scope it, but didn't want a 'fake' sniper like so many out there (most of them) but this way, because of the re-calibre, it can't be 'mistaken' for or claim to be something its not, and it will make a good (hopefully!) distance shooter. I already have a suitable x4 period style scope made by Kahles, so it will look the part, but can't pretend to be something its not, like so make scoped K98's these days.
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