The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

Any details on the tooL?

Piece of wood I found in the garage, carefully shaped using my woodworking skills learnt at school about 40 years ago.
Simply whack it into mag, wiggle it about a bit and huff and puff whilst trying to get mag off it.

[Pesty]

6 rounds In Today’s match.

Very first charge needed a forward assist no problems after that.

Loving the red dot but needs a larger dot. Helped a lot on weak shoulder. Needs practice so different club comp tommorow too.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

6 rounds In Today’s match.

Very first charge needed a forward assist no problems after that.

Loving the red dot but needs a larger dot. Helped a lot on weak shoulder. Needs practice so different club comp tommorow too.

6 rounds?

What dot size do you have now?

For practical stuff I'm using a 6 or 8 MOA dot. You can still be very accurate with a large dot if you have any long range slug targets to shoot (which usually isn't very often).

I've modified all the springs in my mags now. Had a few hang-ups feeding them manually but it's much better than before and the proof will be when I test them at the range. TBH in comps, I might still apply some Froglube to the first two in a full mag just to be sure.

[Pesty]

It’s 3 Moa been waiting for a 6 but I was waiting that long I gave up nobody had them in the country. It’s a vortex venom.

6 stages /Rounds whatever is the correct terminology I don’t do words well. It was very wet this morning so not many turned up. Went through pretty fast.

[AstonZagato]

chemistry said:

Pesty said:

I’m basically a huge child

Reminds me of the Ammopal, a 'magazine' that straps to your belt/vest/pack. Holds ten cartridges and (supposedly) facilitates speedy reloading.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...

I only own/shoot double barrelled guns and have no need for one. Despite this, I am very keen to purchase one (frustratingly nobody seems to ship it to the UK ) because I think it would be brilliant fun (for about 5 minutes) on simulated game shoots etc.

I am also a huge child.

Edited by chemistry on Friday 7th September 22:22

I have one of these

[chemistry]

I like the look of that; would you recommend one?

[Kccv23highliftcam]

Fine unless it rains...

[AstonZagato]

chemistry said:

I like the look of that; would you recommend one?

Yes, with some caveats. As with anything there are some pros and cons. I used to load from a leather pouch on a belt - never got on with the cartridge belts. I used this for the last month of the season.

Good things:

• very quick
• looks very smart
• presents the cartridge correctly every time...
• ...and falls exactly to hand...
• ...so no fiddling
• doesn't drop cartridges
• decent capacity - 40 12g cartridges...
• ... which is about right - if you run out in a drive, you should probably put your gun down anyway

Not so good:

• I'm not a fan of having it on the shoulder strap rather than a belt - which isn't an option
• slow to refill and takes some concentration (rather than tipping a box of 25 into a pouch)
• not as much capacity as my pouch
• not as obvious how many left you have as a pouch
• when it jams (which it does very rarely to be fair) you have to look at it to work out what is going on which isn't ideal if you are in a flush
• maybe not enough capacity for a big drive (though I always have my cartridge bag with me to tie the dog to)
• if you run out, you have to stuff your pockets as it is too slow to refill in the field (it is possible to run out if you haven't filled it to capacity).

[red_slr]

Second reading of the offensive weapons bill. Does not look good for the sport IMHO.
BASC saying they have managed to get some amendments but nothing serious by the looks of it.

[aeropilot]

red_slr said:

Second reading of the offensive weapons bill. Does not look good for the sport IMHO.
BASC saying they have managed to get some amendments but nothing serious by the looks of it.

Its been largely a done deal for months - as a sport we do not have a concerted one voice for all, or any 'friends in high places' and the fractious nature of the various disciplines is what the Govt and HO play on to gradually nibble away progressively at the legislation.

Govt will get their way of zero legal ownership eventually, whether it takes another 5, 10, 15 or 20+ years is open to debate, but I would say to anyone currently under 30 that current has a FAC/SGC, I wouldn't be expecting to still be enjoying any aspect of the sport in your retirement.

Of course, when that does happen and there's still the amount or even greater illegal use of firearms, the Govt of the day will be struggling to be able to spin their way out that problem!

[red_slr]

100% agree.

Was telling this to a young guy at our club. I think he is only 19. He was saying we should campaign for handguns to be brought back. I told him you will be lucky to have your guns in 20 years. I can tell he was not taking me serious but then I explained to him in my lifetime, and I am not an old guy, I have seen semi autos banned, pistols banned, increasing scrutiny from police and now it looks like we will see "rapid fire" and 50 cal go.

He seemed to get the picture, so I said in another 30 years when you are 50 how many more revisions to firearms laws do you think there will be. It will only take 1 nut job for us to lose everything, as it has in the past.

Personally I think we will end up with shotguns and possibly bolt action non magazine fed rifles within my lifetime.

[FurtiveFreddy]

red_slr said:

Second reading of the offensive weapons bill. Does not look good for the sport IMHO.
BASC saying they have managed to get some amendments but nothing serious by the looks of it.

The BASC haven't had anything to do with the amendments withdrawn yesterday. They were technically incorrect or just plain stupid and that was 100% due to the incompetence of the Labour MPs who tabled them. I suppose we should be grateful for their ineptitude.

Probably the only hope now for .50Cal and MARS/LR rifle owners is the possibility the Home Office will be willing to accept the idea of 'enhance security measures' instead of an outright ban. It is still a possibility.

After seeing the BASC representative in action, I doubt they will influence that decision much either.

[creampuff]

aeropilot said:

as a sport we do not have a concerted one voice for all, or any 'friends in high places' and the fractious nature of the various disciplines is what the Govt and HO play on to gradually nibble away progressively at the legislation.

Shooters don't help themselves. Moaning about semi-automatic shotguns on bird shoots. Moaning about stuff that they don't like the look of at clubs. If you go on other forums, people with FACs saying they themselves are OK but everybody else is carless or a potential nutter.

I really think the UK shooting needs some enthusiastic and well spoken representatives, who represent everyone. And licence holders who can think far enough ahead to figure out that just because they don't own a 50BMG, that they won't be the next on the agenda for firearms confiscation.

[Pesty]

creampuff said:

Shooters don't help themselves. Moaning about semi-automatic shotguns on bird shoots. Moaning about stuff that they don't like the look of at clubs. If you go on other forums, people with FACs saying they themselves are OK but everybody else is carless or a potential nutter.

I really think the UK shooting needs some enthusiastic and well spoken representatives, who represent everyone. And licence holders who can think far enough ahead to figure out that just because they don't own a 50BMG, that they won't be the next on the agenda for firearms confiscation.

In only a few short years I’ve come accross so many “ you don’t do the discipline I do so you’re not a real shooter’ types it’s unreal.
Don’t get it at all

[aeropilot]

creampuff said:

aeropilot said:

as a sport we do not have a concerted one voice for all, or any 'friends in high places' and the fractious nature of the various disciplines is what the Govt and HO play on to gradually nibble away progressively at the legislation.

Shooters don't help themselves. Moaning about semi-automatic shotguns on bird shoots. Moaning about stuff that they don't like the look of at clubs. If you go on other forums, people with FACs saying they themselves are OK but everybody else is carless or a potential nutter.

I really think the UK shooting needs some enthusiastic and well spoken representatives, who represent everyone.

I thought that was the whole point of the creation of The Shooters Rights Association...........yet they seem to be completely invisible in this situation (and others) and appear to have even less profile than BASC, NRA & NSRA etc.

Govt/HO have won through divide and conquer and will continue to do so....largely because the community being so fractured have made it so easy for them.
Ever younger career politicians from the 'I don't like it so it has to be banned' mentality will just make it ever more harder to sustain.
You only got to see how their ilk were so easily able to get it removed from the participation list for the next Commonwealth Games in Birmingham (of all places!!) to see that in operation and the future doesn't look bright.

[chemistry]

Looking for a new shotgun cabinet to go into a new house that is being built; probably 8 to 10 gun capacity (but could go larger).

I'd quite like to have electricity inside the new cabinet, to run a small wardrobe heater (for dehumidification), a light, etc. I have this in my current cabinet - a Brattonsound RD7+ - but had to drill a small hole in the side myself, add a grommet and thread a cable through. It's neat enough but I'm curious to know whether there are any gun cabinets in the UK that come ready made with a (more secure?) facility to get power inside them?

[aeropilot]

chemistry said:

Looking for a new shotgun cabinet to go into a new house that is being built; probably 8 to 10 gun capacity (but could go larger).

I'd quite like to have electricity inside the new cabinet, to run a small wardrobe heater (for dehumidification), a light, etc. I have this in my current cabinet - a Brattonsound RD7+ - but had to drill a small hole in the side myself, add a grommet and thread a cable through. It's neat enough but I'm curious to know whether there are any gun cabinets in the UK that come ready made with a (more secure?) facility to get power inside them?

Can't answer that.....but a mate has recently bought a very expensive (nearly a grand!) 12 gun cabinet (that weighs about 150kg!!) and that didn't have any ready made access for leccy.
He chased his wall out from a nearby power source, and drilled a hole in the back to feed the power cable through, so as to hide the fact that it had any power going into it.

[chemistry]

aeropilot said:

Can't answer that.....but a mate has recently bought a very expensive (nearly a grand!) 12 gun cabinet (that weighs about 150kg!!) and that didn't have any ready made access for leccy.
He chased his wall out from a nearby power source, and drilled a hole in the back to feed the power cable through, so as to hide the fact that it had any power going into it.

Thanks; that's effectively what I've got at the moment (albeit on a smaller scale) and I'm happy enough doing it again. Going in from the back rather than the side makes sense (wasn't an option with my current set-up, but would be in the new house) but I just wonder whether in any event a 'factory spec' cable port might be more secure than a simple hole. For example, one would hope that any pre-fitted port would be constructed in such a way that made enlarging it more difficult...drilling through my Brattonsound was worryingly easy...

[aeropilot]

I'd be editing out that last comment on an open forum.....!!

[z4RRSchris]

went to AGL for the first ime in a long while, amazing what they have done with the place, really great set up.