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What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
basherX said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/06/23...
What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
I can see why they want to bring it in, but it does feel a bit like decent halfbacks are effectively being given the choice of when to award themselves penalties!What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Do you know something that seems to be absurdly difficult to find?
Premiership tables from previous rounds!
If you want to find out who finished 5th in the table at the end of, say, the 08/09 season (Sale, for those who'd like to know), it'll take you 5 seconds on Google.
If you want to know who was 5th after any given round in the current season, however, it seems as good as impossible to find a copy of the table!
Premiership tables from previous rounds!
If you want to find out who finished 5th in the table at the end of, say, the 08/09 season (Sale, for those who'd like to know), it'll take you 5 seconds on Google.
If you want to know who was 5th after any given round in the current season, however, it seems as good as impossible to find a copy of the table!
basherX said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/06/23...
What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Any like to explain it, slowly, using simple words, to people like me with only half a brain?What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
The Mad Monk said:
Cyder said:
The Mad Monk said:
Any like to explain it, slowly, using simple words, to people like me with only half a brain?
Ah you used to play prop? 
The Mad Monk said:
basherX said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/06/23...
What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Any like to explain it, slowly, using simple words, to people like me with only half a brain?What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Kicking the ball out in open play (not including penalties) normally gives possession to the opposition at the line-out. Under these new rules, if you kick from inside your half and the ball bounces in the opposition's 22 before going out of play, your team get the line-out put-in.
You can march up the pitch using this technique.
To counter this, the opposition may drop their wings or more, back out of the defensive line to a position where they can catch/intercept these kicked balls. Dropping 2 players back from the defensive line is hoped to make more gaps to attack into and therefore make a more running/ attacking game, or, it'll turn into a kick/line-out/ maul/ try sort of game.
This rule could have been written by Exeter - Slade kick/ Exeter line-out and maul/ try- repeat.
If your kicker isn't good, and it goes out on the full, you'll give the opposition line-out ball level from where you kicked it , or you'll give the opposition good counter attack ball. There are some good out of hand kickers at 9, 10 and 12 in the Prem, Smith, Biggar, Slade, should excel, not only at this 50:22 kicking, but kicking through/around the new wider oppositions defensive line.
The held up over the line rule, where the defenders will get a kick out, is to counter an Exeter type 5 metre maul game. They hope rather than maul, maul, maul, the attacking team, in fear of being held up over the line and losing possession, will more quickly try to spin the ball out wide to score.
The organisers want a 'more attractive' game to sell. The coaches just want to win, even if it's 'an ugly' win.
the tribester said:
The Mad Monk said:
basherX said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/06/23...
What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Any like to explain it, slowly, using simple words, to people like me with only half a brain?What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Kicking the ball out in open play (not including penalties) normally gives possession to the opposition at the line-out. Under these new rules, if you kick from inside your half and the ball bounces in the opposition's 22 before going out of play, your team get the line-out put-in.
You can march up the pitch using this technique.
To counter this, the opposition may drop their wings or more, back out of the defensive line to a position where they can catch/intercept these kicked balls. Dropping 2 players back from the defensive line is hoped to make more gaps to attack into and therefore make a more running/ attacking game, or, it'll turn into a kick/line-out/ maul/ try sort of game.
This rule could have been written by Exeter - Slade kick/ Exeter line-out and maul/ try- repeat.
If your kicker isn't good, and it goes out on the full, you'll give the opposition line-out ball level from where you kicked it , or you'll give the opposition good counter attack ball. There are some good out of hand kickers at 9, 10 and 12 in the Prem, Smith, Biggar, Slade, should excel, not only at this 50:22 kicking, but kicking through/around the new wider oppositions defensive line.
The held up over the line rule, where the defenders will get a kick out, is to counter an Exeter type 5 metre maul game. They hope rather than maul, maul, maul, the attacking team, in fear of being held up over the line and losing possession, will more quickly try to spin the ball out wide to score.
The organisers want a 'more attractive' game to sell. The coaches just want to win, even if it's 'an ugly' win.
In happy news, I received this earlier:
“ Mate, I’ve got a spare ticket for the final. As the closest geographically in origin to the Chiefs, I thought I’d offer you first dibs…”
And it’s a freebie. Hurrah.
The only thing is, and I haven’t been paying attention so excuse me, would it be right to assume that just pitching up in Twickenham to watch the Lions game earlier in a pub is going to be a massive ball ache (because covid)?
“ Mate, I’ve got a spare ticket for the final. As the closest geographically in origin to the Chiefs, I thought I’d offer you first dibs…”
And it’s a freebie. Hurrah.
The only thing is, and I haven’t been paying attention so excuse me, would it be right to assume that just pitching up in Twickenham to watch the Lions game earlier in a pub is going to be a massive ball ache (because covid)?
basherX said:
In happy news, I received this earlier:
“ Mate, I’ve got a spare ticket for the final. As the closest geographically in origin to the Chiefs, I thought I’d offer you first dibs…”
And it’s a freebie. Hurrah.
The only thing is, and I haven’t been paying attention so excuse me, would it be right to assume that just pitching up in Twickenham to watch the Lions game earlier in a pub is going to be a massive ball ache (because covid)?
Book a table in advance? ( https://www.admiralnelsonwhitton.co.uk/)“ Mate, I’ve got a spare ticket for the final. As the closest geographically in origin to the Chiefs, I thought I’d offer you first dibs…”
And it’s a freebie. Hurrah.
The only thing is, and I haven’t been paying attention so excuse me, would it be right to assume that just pitching up in Twickenham to watch the Lions game earlier in a pub is going to be a massive ball ache (because covid)?
basherX said:
In happy news, I received this earlier:
“ Mate, I’ve got a spare ticket for the final. As the closest geographically in origin to the Chiefs, I thought I’d offer you first dibs…”
And it’s a freebie. Hurrah.
The only thing is, and I haven’t been paying attention so excuse me, would it be right to assume that just pitching up in Twickenham to watch the Lions game earlier in a pub is going to be a massive ball ache (because covid)?
I looked at it, and ended up thinking it was just too difficult, so I suspect we'll just watch it on the train.“ Mate, I’ve got a spare ticket for the final. As the closest geographically in origin to the Chiefs, I thought I’d offer you first dibs…”
And it’s a freebie. Hurrah.
The only thing is, and I haven’t been paying attention so excuse me, would it be right to assume that just pitching up in Twickenham to watch the Lions game earlier in a pub is going to be a massive ball ache (because covid)?
I would've driven up, but £25 for the Rosebine compared to the usual tenner is daylight robbery, so sod that for a laugh!
Kermit power said:
I looked at it, and ended up thinking it was just too difficult, so I suspect we'll just watch it on the train.
I would've driven up, but £25 for the Rosebine compared to the usual tenner is daylight robbery, so sod that for a laugh!
You are localish, aren't you?I would've driven up, but £25 for the Rosebine compared to the usual tenner is daylight robbery, so sod that for a laugh!
Surely you know where to park for nowt?
the tribester said:
The Mad Monk said:
basherX said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/06/23...
What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Any like to explain it, slowly, using simple words, to people like me with only half a brain?What's the general view on the 50:22, etc law changes? Seems unnecessary to me.
Kicking the ball out in open play (not including penalties) normally gives possession to the opposition at the line-out. Under these new rules, if you kick from inside your half and the ball bounces in the opposition's 22 before going out of play, your team get the line-out put-in.
You can march up the pitch using this technique.
To counter this, the opposition may drop their wings or more, back out of the defensive line to a position where they can catch/intercept these kicked balls. Dropping 2 players back from the defensive line is hoped to make more gaps to attack into and therefore make a more running/ attacking game, or, it'll turn into a kick/line-out/ maul/ try sort of game.
This rule could have been written by Exeter - Slade kick/ Exeter line-out and maul/ try- repeat.
If your kicker isn't good, and it goes out on the full, you'll give the opposition line-out ball level from where you kicked it , or you'll give the opposition good counter attack ball. There are some good out of hand kickers at 9, 10 and 12 in the Prem, Smith, Biggar, Slade, should excel, not only at this 50:22 kicking, but kicking through/around the new wider oppositions defensive line.
The held up over the line rule, where the defenders will get a kick out, is to counter an Exeter type 5 metre maul game. They hope rather than maul, maul, maul, the attacking team, in fear of being held up over the line and losing possession, will more quickly try to spin the ball out wide to score.
The organisers want a 'more attractive' game to sell. The coaches just want to win, even if it's 'an ugly' win.
The Mad Monk said:
Kermit power said:
I looked at it, and ended up thinking it was just too difficult, so I suspect we'll just watch it on the train.
I would've driven up, but £25 for the Rosebine compared to the usual tenner is daylight robbery, so sod that for a laugh!
You are localish, aren't you?I would've driven up, but £25 for the Rosebine compared to the usual tenner is daylight robbery, so sod that for a laugh!
Surely you know where to park for nowt?
There are a lot of streets with parking permit restrictions around there, and whilst I do know a couple of places which are really convenient for the Stoop that aren't free, but are relatively cheap, they're generally suspended on Twickenham match days, but even on Quins matchdays, if you get held up in traffic and arrive late, you won't get a spot, so it becomes a bit of a nightmare. That's why I ended up getting a Rosebine season pass for Quins' home matches.
Wales options at Lock diminish further. Cory Hill off to make big Yen in Japan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57593421
Alex Cuthbert returns to Wales at Ospreys, which means he's eligible for selection again (not sure he'll have a space but there's a chance).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57593421
Alex Cuthbert returns to Wales at Ospreys, which means he's eligible for selection again (not sure he'll have a space but there's a chance).
Evanivitch said:
Wales options at Lock diminish further. Cory Hill off to make big Yen in Japan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57593421
Alex Cuthbert returns to Wales at Ospreys, which means he's eligible for selection again (not sure he'll have a space but there's a chance).
Fair play to Hill. Big blokes can make good money in Japan, and this would probably be the last chance of a big contract.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57593421
Alex Cuthbert returns to Wales at Ospreys, which means he's eligible for selection again (not sure he'll have a space but there's a chance).
It does leave the Welsh cupboard pretty bare for locks when Alun Wyn Jones retires internationally (which I'd expect post-Lions). It's an area we've had a real feast-or-famine relationship with over the past few years.
Realistically, the four regions have probably produced four international-standard locks (in addition to AWJ) in the past decade. Ball, Beard, Brad Davies and Hill aren't exactly world-beaters, but they would have been enough to shore up the set-piece while the back row's dynamism hides their failings.
There's absolutely nothing coming over the horizon, which worries me a little. Seb Davies and Rory Thornton aren't tough or athletic enough to prop at this level.
On the subject of Cuthbert, he's all but lost his only real asset (pace) since he was last capped, so it would be hugely unlikely to see him in the Wales conversation.
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