The MMA thread

[tuscaneer]

deevlash said:

Thats the thing, Dana White (UFC president) has told chuck he wants him to retire and infact "retired" him after his loss to Rashad. Chuck went off, did Dancing with the Stars and has now come back, he's going to be fighting Tito Ortiz (again) after theyre both done coaching on the Ultimate Fighter series 11. That'll be a good indicator of whether Chuck really has lost a step or more as the previous 2 times they fought, Chuck ran through Tito with ease

Here's chucky again on a good morning america interview, aparently he'd taken too much Nyquil the night before and couldnt sleep properly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huKeNWggSPA

yeah i think he`s way finished now.what is his recent record? something like 4 losses out of the last 5? i disagree with joe rogan`s comments that othere fighters have figiured out his style, i think it`s more he`s lost his edge in speed and power.

little known fact but it was that dramatic loss to rampage at ufc71 in the first round that kickstarted my missus`s contractions so i missed the rest of the card to get to the hospital!at the time we didn`t know if it was a boy or girl but i`m glad it was a girl if for no other reason than i hate the names charles and quinton!

Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 27th January 07:48

[tuscaneer]

mind you i suppose "rampage" would be quite cool!

[Don1]

Sum up a toddler, wouldn't it?

[Halb]

Also interesting to see if steroids have an effect on these athletes long term. Wrestlers have a few high profile deaths a year. Wonder if we will see steroidgenetically inherited complications/deaths in the years to come when more of these professional MMAers enter their 40s and 50s?

[tuscaneer]

Don1 said:

Sum up a toddler, wouldn't it?

ha! my little girl isn`t too bad but my mate has a lad about the same age and yes,he`s like the tazmanian devil

[tuscaneer]

Halb said:

Also interesting to see if steroids have an effect on these athletes long term. Wrestlers have a few high profile deaths a year. Wonder if we will see steroidgenetically inherited complications/deaths in the years to come when more of these professional MMAers enter their 40s and 50s?

points i hadn`t considered mate, i know it has been rife in varoius promotions and also notoriously bad in strongman events with a few high profile deaths,although the official line has always been genetic heart defects etc.

[deevlash]

I think certain people will suffer in the coming years, Mark Coleman was clearly off his tits on juice whilst competing in Pride, since returning to the UFC he's gone from being a 240lb colossus of muscle to a slightly anemic looking 205er. A lot of the Pride fighters were clearly on steroids for most of their careers, Wandy being one of them, even in interviews you can see he's just not a crazy and roided up as he was, he used to be a furious wrecking machine with unlimited cardio, now he's gassing in the first round against guys like rich franklin and just generally being a shadow of his former self. Same with Cro Cop and many others. Thats not to say all of the fighters were on roids, Fedor seems to be carrying on much as he was and Shogun is too now that his knees are fixed properly.

Theres some debate as to whether lesnars recent problems have been steroid and painkiller abuse related from his wwe days. He's clearly not as ripped these days as he was whilst doing the pantomime fighting.

heres coleman after his second loss to Fedor, lots of swearing! Its pretty funny how calm fedor is, the guys a cyborg!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCnqy8Klaw

[XitUp]

tuscaneer said:

deevlash said:

Thats the thing, Dana White (UFC president) has told chuck he wants him to retire and infact "retired" him after his loss to Rashad. Chuck went off, did Dancing with the Stars and has now come back, he's going to be fighting Tito Ortiz (again) after theyre both done coaching on the Ultimate Fighter series 11. That'll be a good indicator of whether Chuck really has lost a step or more as the previous 2 times they fought, Chuck ran through Tito with ease

Here's chucky again on a good morning america interview, aparently he'd taken too much Nyquil the night before and couldnt sleep properly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huKeNWggSPA

yeah i think he`s way finished now.what is his recent record? something like 4 losses out of the last 5? i disagree with joe rogan`s comments that othere fighters have figiured out his style, i think it`s more he`s lost his edge in speed and power.

little known fact but it was that dramatic loss to rampage at ufc71 in the first round that kickstarted my missus`s contractions so i missed the rest of the card to get to the hospital!at the time we didn`t know if it was a boy or girl but i`m glad it was a girl if for no other reason than i hate the names charles and quinton!

Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 27th January 07:48

Could have been worse, at least your missus didn't miscarriage like the woman he crashed into.

tuscaneer said:

Halb said:

Also interesting to see if steroids have an effect on these athletes long term. Wrestlers have a few high profile deaths a year. Wonder if we will see steroidgenetically inherited complications/deaths in the years to come when more of these professional MMAers enter their 40s and 50s?

points i hadn`t considered mate, i know it has been rife in varoius promotions and also notoriously bad in strongman events with a few high profile deaths,although the official line has always been genetic heart defects etc.

Most of the deaths in pro wrestling are down to pain killer addictions. Could be the same in strong man.

[tuscaneer]

XitUp said:

tuscaneer said:

deevlash said:

Thats the thing, Dana White (UFC president) has told chuck he wants him to retire and infact "retired" him after his loss to Rashad. Chuck went off, did Dancing with the Stars and has now come back, he's going to be fighting Tito Ortiz (again) after theyre both done coaching on the Ultimate Fighter series 11. That'll be a good indicator of whether Chuck really has lost a step or more as the previous 2 times they fought, Chuck ran through Tito with ease

Here's chucky again on a good morning america interview, aparently he'd taken too much Nyquil the night before and couldnt sleep properly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huKeNWggSPA

yeah i think he`s way finished now.what is his recent record? something like 4 losses out of the last 5? i disagree with joe rogan`s comments that othere fighters have figiured out his style, i think it`s more he`s lost his edge in speed and power.

little known fact but it was that dramatic loss to rampage at ufc71 in the first round that kickstarted my missus`s contractions so i missed the rest of the card to get to the hospital!at the time we didn`t know if it was a boy or girl but i`m glad it was a girl if for no other reason than i hate the names charles and quinton!

Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 27th January 07:48

Could have been worse, at least your missus didn't miscarriage like the woman he crashed into.

tuscaneer said:

Halb said:

Also interesting to see if steroids have an effect on these athletes long term. Wrestlers have a few high profile deaths a year. Wonder if we will see steroidgenetically inherited complications/deaths in the years to come when more of these professional MMAers enter their 40s and 50s?

points i hadn`t considered mate, i know it has been rife in varoius promotions and also notoriously bad in strongman events with a few high profile deaths,although the official line has always been genetic heart defects etc.

Most of the deaths in pro wrestling are down to pain killer addictions. Could be the same in strong man.

heard about rampage smashing up his truck a while back but didn`t know the ins and outs.he must have got into some deep st for that??

[XitUp]

Did he balls, he's a celeb and it was in LA.

[Halb]

A tonne of wrestlers die from overdoses, but there are enough heart attacks to give us a big name every now and then. Bulldog, Rude, Albright, Pillman, Yoko, Hawk, Guerrero, Umaga, Bossman, Hercules, Radford etc.

I wonder what will become of Hogan and Triple H?

[deevlash]

the woman didnt miscarry because of Rampage, it was shown that, despite Rampage bumping her a bit the miscarriage had sod all to do with it. Didnt stop her trying to sue him for it though iirc.

Rampage got a bit of a slap on the wrist and that was it, he turned up in court with his mr T mohawk too because he was half way through filming.

[Lost_BMW]

deevlash said:

I think certain people will suffer in the coming years, Mark Coleman was clearly off his tits on juice whilst competing in Pride, since returning to the UFC he's gone from being a 240lb colossus of muscle to a slightly anemic looking 205er. A lot of the Pride fighters were clearly on steroids for most of their careers, Wandy being one of them, even in interviews you can see he's just not a crazy and roided up as he was, he used to be a furious wrecking machine with unlimited cardio, now he's gassing in the first round against guys like rich franklin and just generally being a shadow of his former self. Same with Cro Cop and many others. Thats not to say all of the fighters were on roids, Fedor seems to be carrying on much as he was and Shogun is too now that his knees are fixed properly.

Theres some debate as to whether lesnars recent problems have been steroid and painkiller abuse related from his wwe days. He's clearly not as ripped these days as he was whilst doing the pantomime fighting.

heres coleman after his second loss to Fedor, lots of swearing! Its pretty funny how calm fedor is, the guys a cyborg!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCnqy8Klaw

Steroids, their benefits and hazards are an area that have really inetersted me for years, mainly because it's so hard to know for sure who is on what.

So, other than (relative) body sizes and success rates over the years, in different cards, and a few high profile 'found outs' just how much evidence/certainty is there of who in MMA has been on them? Has anybody read or heard of any fighter admitting to or being caught on any particular drug?

How many fighters in the UFC does anyone think are still risking this given the testing (for what its worth)?

Re. Mark Coleman - he features quite a bit in the Mark Kerr documentary "The Smashing Machine" and given the amount of needles Kerr shook out of his draws I'd be amazed if he wasn't using performance enhancers as well as the pain killers that nearly do for him mid way through the film. If you haven't seen this film it is absolutely brilliant - real warts and all fly-on-the-wall stuff with a good mix of training, fights and reflective/personal stuff.

[deevlash]

Sean Sherk failed for roids during his title bout with Hemres Franca who also failed for roids in the same bout.

Royce Gracie failed for roids during his second fight with Sakuraba

Josh Barnett failed a prefight test before his affliction bout with Fedor that never was

Antonio silva failed for roids during his elitexc run whilst HW champ

Ken Shamrocks year long suspension for roids has jus ended

Chris Leben failed for roids after his fight with Bisping

Tim Sylvia failed for roids after ufc 44

there's a lot more if you dig about, especially cannabis failures.

[deevlash]

Phil Baroni was colemans team mate in "Hammer House" and Baroni is an admitted user of steroids, he failed a test after his loss in 2007 to Frank Shamrock

[Lost_BMW]

deevlash said:

Sean Sherk failed for roids during his title bout with Hemres Franca who also failed for roids in the same bout.

Royce Gracie failed for roids during his second fight with Sakuraba

Josh Barnett failed a prefight test before his affliction bout with Fedor that never was

Antonio silva failed for roids during his elitexc run whilst HW champ

Ken Shamrocks year long suspension for roids has jus ended

Chris Leben failed for roids after his fight with Bisping

Tim Sylvia failed for roids after ufc 44

there's a lot more if you dig about, especially cannabis failures.

Heard of some of those (Barnett, Silva, Leben + remember Stephan Bonnar getting 'done')

Just wonder how many other top names have escaped the net so far.

Ironic Shamrock has just recently been caught given the things he's said against steroids, like in his 'Lions Den' books I have - reckons he tried them briefly way back, that they don't work for fighters and warned others off. Mmnn . .

Edited by Lost_BMW on Thursday 28th January 23:58

[deevlash]

shamrock was also in the wwe and everyone knows how much vince like a big puffy guy!

[deevlash]

I also doubt many are on steroids anymore, HGH is more likely, there's not much than can detect it. Or some kind of new designer steroid we dont know about yet.

[Meatball]

deevlash said:

I also doubt many are on steroids anymore, HGH is more likely, there's not much than can detect it. Or some kind of new designer steroid we dont know about yet.

Very true, if the semi pros/ pros are using it im pretty sure the higher ranking pros are. The scary thing is they also use insulin amongst others... fk that.
I know a few low ranking pros (show fodder) who live on GH and test.

Im sure its rife in other sports too.

[Chris77]

Lost_BMW said:

deevlash said:

I think certain people will suffer in the coming years, Mark Coleman was clearly off his tits on juice whilst competing in Pride, since returning to the UFC he's gone from being a 240lb colossus of muscle to a slightly anemic looking 205er. A lot of the Pride fighters were clearly on steroids for most of their careers, Wandy being one of them, even in interviews you can see he's just not a crazy and roided up as he was, he used to be a furious wrecking machine with unlimited cardio, now he's gassing in the first round against guys like rich franklin and just generally being a shadow of his former self. Same with Cro Cop and many others. Thats not to say all of the fighters were on roids, Fedor seems to be carrying on much as he was and Shogun is too now that his knees are fixed properly.

Theres some debate as to whether lesnars recent problems have been steroid and painkiller abuse related from his wwe days. He's clearly not as ripped these days as he was whilst doing the pantomime fighting.

heres coleman after his second loss to Fedor, lots of swearing! Its pretty funny how calm fedor is, the guys a cyborg!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCnqy8Klaw

Steroids, their benefits and hazards are an area that have really inetersted me for years, mainly because it's so hard to know for sure who is on what.

So, other than (relative) body sizes and success rates over the years, in different cards, and a few high profile 'found outs' just how much evidence/certainty is there of who in MMA has been on them? Has anybody read or heard of any fighter admitting to or being caught on any particular drug?

How many fighters in the UFC does anyone think are still risking this given the testing (for what its worth)?

Re. Mark Coleman - he features quite a bit in the Mark Kerr documentary "The Smashing Machine" and given the amount of needles Kerr shook out of his draws I'd be amazed if he wasn't using performance enhancers as well as the pain killers that nearly do for him mid way through the film. If you haven't seen this film it is absolutely brilliant - real warts and all fly-on-the-wall stuff with a good mix of training, fights and reflective/personal stuff.

see here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtb87_mark-kerr-s...

gonna give it a watch later