Judo- what do I need to know?
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My other shoulder hurts like hell today - last night's class was defending haymaker punches that involved a complicated takedown where from a guillotine lock you basically roll backwards on the ground and throw the other person over you and end up straddling him. Not sure if it was Judo or BJJ but one I have filed under 'I won't be using that'. Was fun apart from the pulled shoulder.
Google says it was Judo. Tomoe Nage
Google says it was Judo. Tomoe Nage
Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 18th September 17:00
Ayahuasca said:
My other shoulder hurts like hell today - last night's class was defending haymaker punches that involved a complicated takedown where from a guillotine lock you basically roll backwards on the ground and throw the other person over you and end up straddling him. Not sure if it was Judo or BJJ but one I have filed under 'I won't be using that'. Was fun apart from the pulled shoulder.
Google says it was Judo.
If it's too complicated it is virtually useless, I'd have thought.Google says it was Judo.
Defending against a haymaker need not be complicated, surely?
MC Bodge said:
Ayahuasca said:
My other shoulder hurts like hell today - last night's class was defending haymaker punches that involved a complicated takedown where from a guillotine lock you basically roll backwards on the ground and throw the other person over you and end up straddling him. Not sure if it was Judo or BJJ but one I have filed under 'I won't be using that'. Was fun apart from the pulled shoulder.
Google says it was Judo.
If it's too complicated it is virtually useless, I'd have thought.Google says it was Judo.
Defending against a haymaker need not be complicated, surely?
MC Bodge said:
Sa Calobra said:
I'm 6'2 with a good reach and looooong body. 
How was it?Sa Calobra said:
I had to work over, the upshot is I've pretty much covered myself on a project which means I can now relax for a few weeks. I'm on next Monday. Will report back.. I've got my annual fitness test on Tuesday so I'll be grumbling Tues am
Good luck!MC Bodge said:
That's what i was thinking too. Something grappling-like with less emphasis on throws ...and less emphasis on joint locks would be ideal 
I would have thought joint locks would be quite handy seeing as a fair chunk of the existing restraint techniques employed use them? Kinda feel this thread is useless without videos, so here's one - 2 minutes of Judo:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqk1-Ed6jQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqk1-Ed6jQ
dangerousB said:
When you see it summarised you do have to wonder how the Gracies managed quite so successfully to convince the US market place they'd invented something new... FredClogs said:
When you see it summarised you do have to wonder how the Gracies managed quite so successfully to convince the US market place they'd invented something new...
Totally agree. All of today's martial arts are derived from 1500 year old systems - I prefer the old ones myself.dangerousB said:
A disturbing number of those seem to involve jamming your opponent's head into your genitals. Whatever turns you on I guess.
FredClogs said:
When you see it summarised you do have to wonder how the Gracies managed quite so successfully to convince the US market place they'd invented something new...
I think they actually admitted that they'd found something old.Modern Judo had become very codified/sanitised by the Olympic rules.
The presumably Anglicised Ju Jitsu (World Ju Jitsu Federation, run by some people in Liverpool) that I did as a lad/teenager wasn't all that great and a bit contrived looking back -the best bit was the grappling with the others at the end.
BJJ seems very comfortable with being on the ground under the opponent, which is a bit different to wrestling.
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 19th September 17:18
Ayahuasca said:
My other shoulder hurts like hell today - last night's class was defending haymaker punches that involved a complicated takedown where from a guillotine lock you basically roll backwards on the ground and throw the other person over you and end up straddling him. Not sure if it was Judo or BJJ but one I have filed under 'I won't be using that'. Was fun apart from the pulled shoulder.
Google says it was Judo. Tomoe Nage
I know the movement you are thinking of, the Judo guys will probably disagree its a pure Tomoe Nage since it generally involves a double sleeve or single sleeve / lapel grip. The advantage of the movement you are describing is that if you catch a guillotine and the guy (or girl) aggressively drives into you, executing the Tomoe Nage type movement, whilst holding onto the Guillotine results in a very, very tight mounted Guillotine (I say this on good experience). Google says it was Judo. Tomoe Nage
Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 18th September 17:00
Obviously in a self-defense situation I think I'd rather keep it standing if I had the choke locked in.
Enjoyed it so much you did it again right after lol.
MA is fun. Wish I had started years ago.
Did a similar technique last week - duck the punch, clinch around the lower body with your head resting on small of opponents back, shoot the left leg to the ground inside his legs, drop him, land with both knees on him, punch head, get up and repeat.
MA is fun. Wish I had started years ago.
Did a similar technique last week - duck the punch, clinch around the lower body with your head resting on small of opponents back, shoot the left leg to the ground inside his legs, drop him, land with both knees on him, punch head, get up and repeat.
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