Bravest athlete ever? I think not.

[anonymous-user]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Newarch said:

I suppose the only logical solution to all this is to remove gender based categorisation for sport altogether and have people of all genders competing against each other.

If you do this, then no genetic female would ever be able to compete or win. This is why female sport exists.

But it would be fair, no one is discriminated against on the basis of gender.

I am playing devil's advocate here btw, but there is a serious point in all this.

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Newarch said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Newarch said:

I suppose the only logical solution to all this is to remove gender based categorisation for sport altogether and have people of all genders competing against each other.

If you do this, then no genetic female would ever be able to compete or win. This is why female sport exists.

But it would be fair, no one is discriminated against on the basis of gender.

I am playing devil's advocate here btw, but there is a serious point in all this.

It's an excellent example of a wicked problem. There's no solution that you can't pick entirely reasonable holes in.

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ChocolateFrog said:

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

SlimJim16v said:

So someone with the size and strength of a man, fighting women is brave? Or did I get it wrong?

They must mean the other woman that's brave (or stupid) enough to get into the ring with someone who has the physical size and bone density of a man.

Most fighting sports already have weight categories for precisely this reason, to prevent dangerous physical mismatches.

Do they measure the weight of someone's hands?

How would you do that?

[hepy]

It's Mike Hailwood, and he has the medal to prove it.

Rescued a fellow competitor from a burning car and got the George medal for it.

[irocfan]

E63eeeeee... said:

How would you do that?

Convinced shop-lifter

[paulguitar]

hepy said:

It's Mike Hailwood, and he has the medal to prove it.

Rescued a fellow competitor from a burning car and got the George medal for it.

We need to add Guy Edwards, Harald Ertl, Brett Lunger and Arturo Merzario

[irocfan]

braver than Nikki Lauder?

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

paulguitar said:

hepy said:

It's Mike Hailwood, and he has the medal to prove it.

Rescued a fellow competitor from a burning car and got the George medal for it.

We need to add Guy Edwards, Harald Ertl, Brett Lunger and Arturo Merzario

And David Purley...

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CheesecakeRunner said:

If you do this, then no genetic female would ever be able to compete or win. This is why female sport exists.

It could always be sold as ‘true equality’. Isn’t having separate categories for men and women exclusionary and patriarchal or something?

[ChocolateFrog]

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

SlimJim16v said:

So someone with the size and strength of a man, fighting women is brave? Or did I get it wrong?

They must mean the other woman that's brave (or stupid) enough to get into the ring with someone who has the physical size and bone density of a man.

Most fighting sports already have weight categories for precisely this reason, to prevent dangerous physical mismatches.

Do they measure the weight of someone's hands?

How would you do that?

Dunno, stick your hands in a bucket of water and measure the displacement then use the mean density of human tissue?

[DocJock]

It's simple. Y chromosome? You're competing in the men's event.

A Y chromosome gives you a much bigger performance advantage than any PED.

[fatbutt]

This kind of discussion always reminds me of the East German female athletes in Top Secret

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DocJock said:

It's simple. Y chromosome? You're competing in the men's event.

A Y chromosome gives you a much bigger performance advantage than any PED.

bks. If that was true there'd be no overlap between athletic performance/ strength/ whatever between men and women. Relative to most species, human males and females are remarkably similar in size, strength etc.

Even international athletics federations are more sophisticated than that - iirc they look at the mechanism, which is primarily testosterone.

I'm wondering if you're a real doc.

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ChocolateFrog said:

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

SlimJim16v said:

So someone with the size and strength of a man, fighting women is brave? Or did I get it wrong?

They must mean the other woman that's brave (or stupid) enough to get into the ring with someone who has the physical size and bone density of a man.

Most fighting sports already have weight categories for precisely this reason, to prevent dangerous physical mismatches.

Do they measure the weight of someone's hands?

How would you do that?

Dunno, stick your hands in a bucket of water and measure the displacement then use the mean density of human tissue?

Male or female tissue?

[RichB]

thebraketester said:

BobsPigeon said:

Alex would wave, but he'd die.

He is incredible. . My palms sweat just watching him climb.

st, I just stumbled across this thread and that sent a shiver up my spin and me sweat!

[pidsy]

RichB said:

hit, I just stumbled across this thread and that sent a shiver up my spin and me sweat!

Go watch the film. Free Solo is excellent sat night lockdown viewing.
Make sure you have a cushion to hide behind though, and tissues to combat the sweaty palms.

[okgo]

RichB said:

hit, I just stumbled across this thread and that sent a shiver up my spin and me sweat!

The most mad image I think was the one Jimmy Chin took which he claims to have just been fired from the hip without looking as he didn’t want to distract Alex.

It’s was the cover of Nat Geo magazine. It’s brilliant - the headline one here.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/...

[DocJock]

E63eeeeee... said:

DocJock said:

It's simple. Y chromosome? You're competing in the men's event.

A Y chromosome gives you a much bigger performance advantage than any PED.

bks. If that was true there'd be no overlap between athletic performance/ strength/ whatever between men and women. Relative to most species, human males and females are remarkably similar in size, strength etc.

Even international athletics federations are more sophisticated than that - iirc they look at the mechanism, which is primarily testosterone.

I'm wondering if you're a real doc.

You call bks, then in the very next sentence make a ridiculous statement. Yes, a fit, trained woman can outperform an unfit, untrained man.Compare like for like and that does not happen.
Name me an athletic event where women outperform men please.

Running - Women's world records are on average more than 10% slower.
Field Events - difference is even greater.
Lifting - ditto
Cycling - ditto

Athletics federation were forced to change to cater for the tiny number of intersex athletes such a Semenya, and a growing concern about 'testosterone doping'. That does not mean that the greater normal levels of testosterone in a biological male (Y chromosome) gives them a measurable performance advantage. If it were not the case, why are intersex athletes forced to take medication to reduce their levels to those 'normal' for women?

[aka_kerrly]

paulguitar said:

El stovey said:

For starters.

Elite athletes there.

This is just up the road from where I live.

You laugh at the suggestion these are elite athletes but people really do train for the cheese rolling and there are a surprising number of international entrants. I once spoke to a bloke from Australia who said he goes to his local quarry to practice running on ruff uneven sketchy surfaces as part of his preparation

In terms of the MMA fighter, I can't stand that kind of attitude and bragging about beating a load of women including smashing skulls is just vulgar.

[RichB]

aka_kerrly said:

In terms of the MMA fighter, I can't stand that kind of attitude and bragging about beating a load of women including smashing skulls is just vulgar.

It's disgusting. Can you imagine a professional boxer bragging about fracturing someone's skull! It would be unthinkable.