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aeropilot said:
I know there's restricted opening at Barbury Castle, been open a week or so now IIRC, and Bisley Long SIberia Pay n Play is opening from this weekend with appropriate restrictions.
It was Barbury I went to today and I've not been a member for a while nor do I go that often, Another local one, http://www.old-downs-pursuits.co.uk/ is also now open.Whats the laws surrounding deactived guns? This one says it doesnt require a licence to own, we have 2 legal shotguns in a gun safe already in the house. Are you allowed to display deactived guns or must they also be kept in safes?
https://www.gunstar.co.uk/thompson-m1a1-autoordnan...
https://www.gunstar.co.uk/thompson-m1a1-autoordnan...
Slow said:
Whats the laws surrounding deactived guns? This one says it doesnt require a licence to own, we have 2 legal shotguns in a gun safe already in the house. Are you allowed to display deactived guns or must they also be kept in safes?
https://www.gunstar.co.uk/thompson-m1a1-autoordnan...
Don't require a licence, but they now have to be 'registered' to a Govt database, when buying, which no one understands how its going to work. Yes, your allowed to display de-act inside your home only, don't have to be in a safe.https://www.gunstar.co.uk/thompson-m1a1-autoordnan...
But, not sure why you linked to that one unless you are outside of mainland UK, as that's in pre-2017 spec and thus as it says in the advert is not able to be sold as is in mainland UK.
Slow said:
It was just a example of the listing.
It does say they can update it at cost at the bottom of listing anyway I believe if I have understood it.
Yes, they say they can redo to current EU regs and re-certify, but with no costs or new price.It does say they can update it at cost at the bottom of listing anyway I believe if I have understood it.
Basically, 'old spec' de-acts are (or were) worth a lot more as they can be stripped and cleaned out, and they dry fire, hence the price of that one being £1200.
Current EU spec are all welded up and can't be stripped and dry fired, so do not sell for those kind of prices, they are 'worth' much less, but will still cost another couple of hundred quid to deactivate and re-certify to the current EU regs.
If that was a current EU spec M1A1, it would up for sale at nearly half that price!!
Slow said:
Interesting, I didn’t really know how they changed the deactivation method.
Will have to do some research but good to know I can display at home.
Yes, actually its been changed twice since 1986ish in respect of auto and semi-auto rifles and SMG's etc.Will have to do some research but good to know I can display at home.
Prior to the recent EU mess in 2017, there was a further change in 1995, that why prior to 2017 and the new EU regs, you'd see pre-95 spec SMG's etc (like the one in that link) at much higher prices than post-95 spec.
Old spec stuff, both pre-2017 and pre-1995 spec are no longer able to be sold to anyone on mainland UK.
But the post-2017 EU spec stuff is very chopped n welded up. Many of them for sale are very dirty and still full of swarf and old oil and grease, so not great for display! And because you can take them apart, you can't clean them out.
There are many places that sell de-acts, even though the market has massively curtailed with the new EU spec.
All depends on what you are looking for.
jimmyjimjim said:
Ok, so it is pretty much what you think it is. AR-9. Takes Glock fun sticks.
I went in looking for No.4's, found nothing I liked. Got looking at PCC's.....found nothing I liked. Was checking out when I saw a dedicated 9mm lower and swore.
10 minutes later I had another project.
I didn't have scooby what it was...........I went in looking for No.4's, found nothing I liked. Got looking at PCC's.....found nothing I liked. Was checking out when I saw a dedicated 9mm lower and swore.
10 minutes later I had another project.
Way too modern for my old fashioned and fuddled brain to have known that.
9mm s/a carbine is a cracking idea though. That sort of thing was popular over here, in straight pull, and the lever release, until lever release got binned by the Govt along with MARS very recently.
I've been wanting a pistol caliber carbine for a while, as it'll be fun and was thinking about the Ruger PCC, or a Keltec sub2000. The gun shop happened to have both in stock used, so had a good look. Neither struck me as being particularly nice.
So I was a little irked to be presented with the AR-9, as I knew it would be a blank canvas.
8.5" barrel on a dedicated 9mm glock compatible lower (the other choice is colt, replicating the colt SMG, but I've got plenty of glock mags already).
I'm probably getting a longer flash can for it before it gets fully assembled - measurements were about 5mm out.
This Corona Virus thing is proving expensive.
So I was a little irked to be presented with the AR-9, as I knew it would be a blank canvas.
8.5" barrel on a dedicated 9mm glock compatible lower (the other choice is colt, replicating the colt SMG, but I've got plenty of glock mags already).
I'm probably getting a longer flash can for it before it gets fully assembled - measurements were about 5mm out.
This Corona Virus thing is proving expensive.
jimmyjimjim said:
Yup. The alternative to the glock version I've got is the colt mag version. Slightly different lower, takes colt mags, no LRHO. Same BCG, charging handle, etc. Lower is the only real difference.
The (original) Colt made ones were a standard select fire lower with a 9mm magwell adaptor pinned into the normal magwell. The Colt mags are a copied UZI magazine, with a cutout for the AR-15 Mag release, and a deeper cut out at the top/rear of the magazine (else it will push up the Bolt Catch). The Select Fire ones need ramped bolts, to run with their Fire Control Group (most bolts are not ramped, and need a 9mm hammer. Colt these days make a Semi Auto version for the Civi Market:https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-ar-15-semi-a...
Some (Colt) setups will work with LRBHO, but it requires a magazine designed to work with it, and you might need a different 9mm Bolt Catch, it depends on the block setup. I messed around with AR's when I spent a lot of time in the States, and I had a few mates who used to be armorers who taught me how to build/fix/fettle them.
jimmyjimjim said:
Forgive me Aeropilot, for I have sinned.
It has been <not long> since my last offence. I wish for <innumerable> other offences to be taken into account.
In my defense, it's not quite what you might think it is.
I am not an expert but that foregrip looks like an easy way to lose a finger! It has been <not long> since my last offence. I wish for <innumerable> other offences to be taken into account.
In my defense, it's not quite what you might think it is.
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