The MMA thread

[XitUp]

Why oh dear? They are often the most entertaining fights on the card. Coenen is better than Gina, but still to small for Cyborg.

Damn you Melvin, why did you have to leave your chin out like that?

[tuscaneer]

missed it! did lawler win?? i remember him looking pretty devastating in the ufc,must be 7/8 years ago(????) but then having a couple of losses and disappearing?

on a separate note i had my first training session away from boxing this weekend.novice mma at the wolfslair.this is the most alien stuff i have ever tried!i still cannot move properly and it`s monday morning.started with warm up of running ,rolls foreward,rolls backward,loads of sprawls followed by tuck jumps etc.drilled some escapes from side control and then throws to get dominant full mount.the worst bit came during the sparring!off the knees just trying to get subs and pinning the other guy down.this is so difficult when all the movements are so far removed from my usual ranges of motion.
i usually come away from boxing sparring with the odd mark around the face and maybe the odd sore rib.this left me with a lot of bruising on the insides of my biceps,due to.i think, trying to free thwe arms from shoulder locks.the muscle aches are every where!!particularly the back of the neck from trying to pull out of guillotines and my side obliques which i can only guess is from trying to wriggle free from chokes and arm bars.

overall a fascinating experience but very daunting due to the nature of variation from what i`m used to.and we haven`t even got to kicks and strikes yet!i can`t put my finger on it but the way you use your muscles feels very different.it`s almost like the difference between lightning quick reps on weights compared to really prolonged slower movements.
all in all i`ll definately be going back

Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 1st February 13:00

[Halb]

is the beginner class tscaneer or an intermediate thing?

[tuscaneer]

it`s billed as "novice mma" but these lads know how to tie me up in knots in seconds!!

[tuscaneer]

actually, just remembered you`re a warrington lad.been down there for any training or do you stay around warrington??

[Halb]

Not done any wrestling/thai training for years. I use Total Fitness as my local gym. I would like to get a few months of fitness training in first before I venture to the lair or elsewhere

[tuscaneer]

i tried that for about 4 years-trying to get fit to then go and get fit!in the end i jumped back into boxing after a 10 year "hiatus".i`d gone from a muscular/stocky 75kg(admittedly a bit too light for my frame) to a gargantuan 16 stone!!don`t get too much time to train nowadays trying to run my own business but even a couple/3 times a week has got a stone and a half or so off whilst still drinking more than i should and not particularly monitering my diet.i don`t think it should be too hard to get somewhere around 12 1/2 stone although i`ll never see 11 1/2 ever again. regular boxing coupled with rolling round the floor of the wolfslair tied in knots occasionally should do the trick.(i hope)

[Babu 01]

Braulio Estima has his first MMA fight lined up:

http://www.mmamania.com/2010/2/1/1287314/2009-adcc...

His no-gi is awesome and he's been training stand up for a while, should be good.

[Don1]

Tuscaneer - nice one. Best to learn the hard way!

[tuscaneer]

Don1 said:

Tuscaneer - nice one. Best to learn the hard way!

cheers fella!,it`s hard work but i feel the competitive atmosphere of combat sparring in either sport makes you work harder and thus get more out of limited training time.
nice sag by the way!the only reason i never got one was because the tuscan s mk2 came out before it and i couldn`t wait another few months!despite some ups and downs i still miss tiv ownership(had three of them before moving to aston!)

[Lil' Joe]

What a pleasure it was watching Mark Coleman telling Tito Ortiz "fk you Tito, anytime, anywhere douchebag" on international tv.

Made my night, on an otherwise fairly average night of fights. Great submission win by Pauolo Thiago, Coleman looked very old and slow bless him, and as much as I can respect great wrestling, I do wish Chael Sonnen could do some other things as well.

[MPowerMark]

I thought the fights from UFC 109 were alright. Coleman vs Couture was abit of a let down, Coleman didn't even try one take down (which is his bread and butter) and was hardly offensive and just seemed to take the beating without much fight. Really dissapointing considering how much heart and determination he showed against Bonnar and Shogun. Still though, fair play to Randy, did the job and looked very comftorble out there. Looking forward to who they match him up with next but i would like to see it against someone who is also a contender however if Liddell manages to beat Ortiz i reckon we could be seeing Liddell - Couture 3.
Sonnen did a fantastic jiob and i really enjoyed this fight. He really has some impressive wrestling skills but also i thought his ground and pound was really impressive and aggressive and if anderson silva beats Belfort i think this will be a fun fight because i think Sonnen has the potential to take Silva to the ground. Could make for a very interesting fight.
Good performance from Matt Serra too, has to be said. That fella really does have some heavy hands.

All in all i enjoyed it, just a shame Coleman didn't turn up and fight his heart out like he promised he would. Thats definetly the end of Coleman in the ufc.

[tuscaneer]

just to note that if randy fights chuck again it will be #4!
properly gutted for nate marquardt.was really looking foreward to him getting another go at silva.sonnen is one frustrating bd isn`t he?i can`t help feeling that in the latter half of the last round nate was just starting to get to grips with chael.how he got out of that choke i don`t know.maybe ju7st wishful thinking but i reckon if the fight had been a 5 round title fight instead of a 3 nate might have come to terms with him and finished the job on top.looking at the state of sonnen`s face after the fight,if you had to guess who had won the fight without seeing it your money would have been on marquardt!

[Halb]

Just watched Miami. Bobby looks big for 252lbs, he must be cycling right Sims, he didn't reallt impress in TUF10, but then he did take this at extreme shot notice.
The Lawlor fight was fun, and the Hershel thing was just boring. I enjoyed his spragg and grappling at the start, but he didn't have owt else.
Diaz is just on the button professional.

[tuscaneer]

just a bit of an update for anyone thinking about mma training really.....after my initial trip to the wolfslair the one thing that was plainly obvious was that any sort of sparring was next to useless.i literally had no clue about how to escape anything or get anyone locked or choked.really good session but really out of my depth.from this session i decided i needed one on one professional coaching due to the really complex nature of this sport.i work in liverpool city centre and it just happened to be convenient to use a city centre mma gym in and around working hours.i`ve ended up under the tutlage of paul rimmer at next generation mma and in the few private sessions we have had i can state that paul is a cracking teacher.
his teaching method centres around showing you why you are doing something rather than just stating the way it is,letting you make a mistake and physically showing you why you don`t want to do it.up to now we have concentrated on arm bars ,kimuras,and guillotines from the top and bottom and this stuff is really getting interesting.naturally i am chomping at the bit to get into striking as this is the only part of mma i have any previous form for but paul quickly demonstated that without any ground game striking is next to useless!!
i can honestly say that this is the most complex sport i have ever tried and i can`t wait to have enough of a skill set to spar.to anyone thinking about mma training,get involved!!

[XitUp]

I'd say TD defence and sub defence is more important than learning subs yourself if you want to strike in MMA.

[tuscaneer]

yeah,i know what you mean but paul has a broad overview of a time scale of learning and that is stuff he feels i need to concentrate on after i am a bit more comfortable with the bread and butter of getting an arm or leg or a choke and then getting out of them myself.i think this is going to take a fair while as every new action i learn has about 5 possible reactions!


edited to add....of course i am only assuming i will be striking biased due to 20 years of boxing.could be way wide of the mark.!

Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 16th February 09:45

[deevlash]

XitUp said:

I'd say TD defence and sub defence is more important than learning subs yourself if you want to strike in MMA.

if you don't know how to do the subs your defence will be a bit rubbish though. That said theres been a lot said about how the defensive closed guard is useless in todays mma but people like fedor have been very successful with it by using it to attack and not use it purely as a defence like Nate was doing agaisnt sonnen and even BJ against GSP.

[Lost_BMW]

deevlash said:

XitUp said:

I'd say TD defence and sub defence is more important than learning subs yourself if you want to strike in MMA.

if you don't know how to do the subs your defence will be a bit rubbish though. That said theres been a lot said about how the defensive closed guard is useless in todays mma but people like fedor have been very successful with it by using it to attack and not use it purely as a defence like Nate was doing agaisnt sonnen and even BJ against GSP.

Which reminds me of how great Sonnen's remark was (he has a future as a comic if politics and mma don't work out):

"I'm a Republican . . you're never going to see me lying on my back with a man between my legs"!

[ofcorsa]

deevlash said:

XitUp said:

I'd say TD defence and sub defence is more important than learning subs yourself if you want to strike in MMA.

if you don't know how to do the subs your defence will be a bit rubbish though. That said theres been a lot said about how the defensive closed guard is useless in todays mma but people like fedor have been very successful with it by using it to attack and not use it purely as a defence like Nate was doing agaisnt sonnen and even BJ against GSP.

a defensive closed guard will get ground down eventual, Its a very negative way of fighting from your back too, Grappling is like chess, An opponant will sense it just a matter of time and wait for an opening, Even if your not a killer sub you need work like you are to create chances