The MMA thread

[deevlash]

ofcorsa said:

deevlash said:

XitUp said:

I'd say TD defence and sub defence is more important than learning subs yourself if you want to strike in MMA.

if you don't know how to do the subs your defence will be a bit rubbish though. That said theres been a lot said about how the defensive closed guard is useless in todays mma but people like fedor have been very successful with it by using it to attack and not use it purely as a defence like Nate was doing agaisnt sonnen and even BJ against GSP.

a defensive closed guard will get ground down eventual, Its a very negative way of fighting from your back too, Grappling is like chess, An opponant will sense it just a matter of time and wait for an opening, Even if your not a killer sub you need work like you are to create chances

yep, especially with a strong wrestler throwing bombs at your head, just like Fitch said. Rubber guard works a lot better for stalling in mma these days, although not many folk use it effectively, Aoki is probably the best, BJ didnt manage to use it effectively against GSP although vaseline may have had much to do with that.

[deevlash]

http://www.fullmount.co.uk/
new scottish based mma website thats just launched by a friend of mine. Please pop over for a look, theres a good article on the grip house gym in glasgow just and an interview with Paul McViegh a really good british fighter based in glasgow although hes actually english I believe. Some short articles written by some guy called craig too...

[Office_Monkey]

deevlash said:

http://www.fullmount.co.uk/
new scottish based mma website thats just launched by a friend of mine. Please pop over for a look, theres a good article on the grip house gym in glasgow just and an interview with Paul McViegh a really good british fighter based in glasgow although hes actually english I believe. Some short articles written by some guy called craig too...

Probably to get some practice in real life situations

[ofcorsa]

deevlash said:

ofcorsa said:

deevlash said:

XitUp said:

I'd say TD defence and sub defence is more important than learning subs yourself if you want to strike in MMA.

if you don't know how to do the subs your defence will be a bit rubbish though. That said theres been a lot said about how the defensive closed guard is useless in todays mma but people like fedor have been very successful with it by using it to attack and not use it purely as a defence like Nate was doing agaisnt sonnen and even BJ against GSP.

a defensive closed guard will get ground down eventual, Its a very negative way of fighting from your back too, Grappling is like chess, An opponant will sense it just a matter of time and wait for an opening, Even if your not a killer sub you need work like you are to create chances

yep, especially with a strong wrestler throwing bombs at your head, just like Fitch said. Rubber guard works a lot better for stalling in mma these days, although not many folk use it effectively, Aoki is probably the best, BJ didnt manage to use it effectively against GSP although vaseline may have had much to do with that.

when i was competing/training i was a big fan of the spiderguard when hunting for triangles/armbars, Even if your not in good position hip wise for a sub your opponent still is wary of chambering big punches. Im not up on the rubberguard though i have read about it. all are certainly a better option than being flat on your back holding on

[Lost_BMW]

Just watching the Countdown to UFC 110, esp. the bits about Velasquez and Noguira - some good training clips including Velasquez dropping two sparring partners (seemed genuine) - and getting quite excited!

Any bets on the outcome?


Oh, and Bisping is "going to bully Wanderlai Silva and impose his will on him" . . .

Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 17th February 23:29

[deevlash]

Lost_BMW said:

Just watching the Countdown to UFC 110, esp. the bits about Velasquez and Noguira - some good training clips including Velasquez dropping two sparring partners (seemed genuine) - and getting quite excited!

Any bets on the outcome?


Oh, and Bisping is "going to bully Wanderlai Silva and impose his will on him" . . .

Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 17th February 23:29

nog by whatever he wants

[Lost_BMW]

deevlash said:

Lost_BMW said:

Just watching the Countdown to UFC 110, esp. the bits about Velasquez and Noguira - some good training clips including Velasquez dropping two sparring partners (seemed genuine) - and getting quite excited!

Any bets on the outcome?


Oh, and Bisping is "going to bully Wanderlai Silva and impose his will on him" . . .

Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 17th February 23:29

nog by whatever he wants

He's certainly looking good in the training clips, quick, lean and strong looking (new S&C coach for this fight) but Velasquez does look quick and hard hitting. Intriguing prospect.

[tuscaneer]

i`ve got a little worry in the back of my mind that silva is going to starch bisping.his performance off his back against kang was fantastic but i thought after that big punch he was going to sleep.i`m not so sure about his punch resistance and while wanderlai is past his best he still carries tremendous power

[tuscaneer]

deevlash said:

http://www.fullmount.co.uk/
new scottish based mma website thats just launched by a friend of mine. Please pop over for a look, theres a good article on the grip house gym in glasgow just and an interview with Paul McViegh a really good british fighter based in glasgow although hes actually english I believe. Some short articles written by some guy called craig too...

good site fella,just spent half an hour nosing round.the bisping mini vids are great aren`t they?and that joe rogan is a funny fker!

[ofcorsa]

tuscaneer said:

i`ve got a little worry in the back of my mind that silva is going to starch bisping.his performance off his back against kang was fantastic but i thought after that big punch he was going to sleep.i`m not so sure about his punch resistance and while wanderlai is past his best he still carries tremendous power

I agree, wandy is past his best, But his best was IMO the height of middleweight competition, He also hasnt been involved in many "wars" so he is still a danger.

[plenty]

ofcorsa said:

He also hasnt been involved in many "wars" so he is still a danger.

I don't know about that - Wand has been fighting since 1996 and his early bouts were some of the most brutal bare-knuckle NHB fights ever. He's also been cleanly KO'ed (KTFO'ed in fact) in three out of his last six fights - and there's plenty of evidence to suggest that fighters never fully recover from that. Not to mention his workrate and balls-out style must promote decline quicker than a cautious counter-fighter like, say, Machida.

Nonetheless I don't see what Bisping has in the toolbox to beat Wand - he doesn't have the power or technical striking, and he certainly won't GnP or out-grapple the Axe Murderer. I see Bisping circling for a round, trying to keep his distance, but ultimately Wanderlei finds his way into the clinch and from there unleashes a torrent of Muay Thai badness for the TKO in the 3rd.

[tim2100]

Just been reading on mmajunkie & sherdog. The amount of hate towards Bisping is comical.

I think Bisping can take this. He is Tough as hell, and has only been finished once by hendo. within the UFC we have not seen the animal that Wandi was in Pride Days, apart from against Jardine.

I can see Bisping taking Wandy down and eeking out a TKO. As long as Bisping can avoid / survive the initial rush him. As the fight goes on longer plays more into Bispings game.

Hope Rothwell & Big nog win their fights also.

[deevlash]

Wandy sucks without his steroids. He's a totally different person these days, all jovial and joking around in the blogs etc, back in the pride days he was a psycho in the ring and out. He will gas horribly after the first round, bisping knows that and will just be on his bike for the first round then move in after that. Bisping is too tall for Wandy to get a clinch on him too, plus Wandy hasnt used his thai clinch for ages anyway and Bispings been throwing a lot better knees of late.

[deevlash]

http://www.mmatko.com/ufc-110-pre-fight-press-conf...
110 presser, at about 20 minutes bisping and wand start smack talking, its great!
wandy abiut bisping "100% of people I talk to kick him, nobody likes him"
Bispings reply "Thats nice, fortunatley I dont give a fk"

[deevlash]

wandy looks pissed off! Look how hard hes got his fists clenched!

[tuscaneer]

sinosic and rothwell out of saturday night.perosh replaces rothwell and the other fight is cancelled

[tim2100]

Very late withdrawel from the fight for Big Ben. Wonder what is wrong with him?

[Halb]

That was funny. Dana just grinning

[plenty]

Gutting for Elvis - this was his chance to be on the big show, in his home town. Here's hoping the event is a success so that there will be others in Oz and Elvis will get another shot.

[MPowerMark]

I'm gutted about Rothwell being out! was really looking forward to seeing Crocop go up against him. Crocop desperatly needs to put on a good performance and so too does Rothwell and with Rothwells size and fairly decent ability i thought it would of been a good test to see if he still has the heart and ability to still be fighting on the big stage.
Looks like the UFC didn't have much choice due to the event being in Australia and having such short notice. Flying a guy from the states over wouldn't work as nobody would take the fight especially as they would have jetlag to deal with so Perosh was there only choice really considering he is an Australian and lives there. Hopefully Crocop wins be taking Peroshs head off with a leg kick but who knows, this could be the beginning of a major upset in the mma world.
I think Valesquez will get the win over Big Nog, i can see Valesquez taking the fight to the ground which in many ways favors Nogueria but if he can stay clear of an arm bar, having is ankle or knee caught i think he could win on points from impressive ground and pound.

Should be a great event!