Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

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DeltonaS

3,707 posts

140 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Granfondo said:
Yes, but cortisone alone will not have the weight loss that is the n the pics.
Google tells me they do; Kenacort and Kenalog are corticosteroid (= Cortisone); powerful anti-inflammatory medications with side effects as described by D.Millar.

Kawasicki

13,142 posts

237 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
Yes, but cortisone alone will not have the weight loss that is the n the pics.
Google tells me they do; Kenacort and Kenalog are corticosteroid (= Cortisone); powerful anti-inflammatory medications with side effects as described by D.Millar.
What was it he said? Something along the lines of it being equivalent to a self destruct button, just melting away fat and even some muscle with it...leaving just a veiny machine like human.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

140 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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More on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/02/brit...

So Team Sky and British Cycling shared the same medicine cabinet in Manchester untill recently.

I wonder what the effect was on the medal runs British Cycling enjoyed during the last two olympics while performances in between those events were far less impressive. And which let to some criticism from fellow competitors during the 2016 Olympics in Rio.


mcelliott

8,745 posts

183 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Is Froome under suspicion?
Froome has been under suspicion since he turned himself from grupetto rider to making the podium in a grand tour (Vuelta). Even by cycling standards his transformation is most ridiculous in the extreme; at least Armstrong had the cheek to win a world championship before he became a grand tour winner. Dirty team.

Kawasicki

13,142 posts

237 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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mcelliott said:
Happens to me all the time, if it isn't steroids it's amphetamines, or cortisone injections. Not suspicious at all.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

118 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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Anyone who believes that team sky are innocent and their riders have heads buried in the sand. In fact I work with someone who believes that just because the rider is British he would never cheat. smile

okgo

38,528 posts

200 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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Pablo? Johnxc1985? Popeyewhite?

rofl


Granfondo

12,241 posts

208 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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okgo said:
Pablo? Johnxc1985? Popeyewhite?

rofl
But but but "they have not broken the rules coz TUE innit!" biggrin

Johnny

9,652 posts

286 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Response from Sky regarding the ongoing issues

Team Sky

ALawson

7,821 posts

253 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Johnny said:
Response from Sky regarding the ongoing issues

Team Sky
Dr Freeman being thrown under a bus, or is it just me?

mcelliott

8,745 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Kawasicki said:
mcelliott said:
Happens to me all the time, if it isn't steroids it's amphetamines, or cortisone injections. Not suspicious at all.
It's amazing isn't it. Of all the drugs that must have criss crossed around the country in 2011 from acne treatments to baldness pills, and little blue tablets for flaccid willies, any of these could have been delivered by accident to Sky, but no. It was the most potent performance enhancing drug that you could get. That really is a crying ass shame.

JuniorD

8,672 posts

225 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Bloody good interview with Paul Kimmage re. Wiggins and Sky.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kim...

One thing that can be said for Kimmage is that he's usually found to be right in the end

mcelliott

8,745 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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JuniorD said:
Bloody good interview with Paul Kimmage re. Wiggins and Sky.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kim...

One thing that can be said for Kimmage is that he's usually found to be right in the end
Yeah just read that- both barrels, fk me i'm running out of popcorn here.

ALawson

7,821 posts

253 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Good interview raising more questions, pushing a bike up a climb. Off to YouTube.

epom

11,750 posts

163 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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mcelliott said:
JuniorD said:
Bloody good interview with Paul Kimmage re. Wiggins and Sky.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kim...

One thing that can be said for Kimmage is that he's usually found to be right in the end
Yeah just read that- both barrels, fk me i'm running out of popcorn here.
Thanks for that, common sense outlook. What really sticks out for me there is, where is the outcry from the other teams. Silence has never said so much.

JuniorD

8,672 posts

225 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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ALawson said:
Good interview raising more questions, pushing a bike up a climb. Off to YouTube.
I'd love to see the footage of that. In 2008 he finished the giro behind Cavendish and Greipel!



DeltonaS

3,707 posts

140 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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epom said:
Thanks for that, common sense outlook. What really sticks out for me there is, where is the outcry from the other teams. Silence has never said so much.
Welcome to the world of prof. cycling, it's the omerta.

Performance enhancing drugs have been part of prof.cycling since forever.

The build-up in the last part of the D.Millar piece in the NYT is telling....

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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mcelliott said:
JuniorD said:
Bloody good interview with Paul Kimmage re. Wiggins and Sky.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kim...

One thing that can be said for Kimmage is that he's usually found to be right in the end
Yeah just read that- both barrels, fk me i'm running out of popcorn here.
Disappointing to read though. I really wanted to believe sky were doing it clean, I can even rationalise the TUEs and the package but laptops going missing and illegal stuff being delivered by accident to Manchester, it's all getting a bit unlikely really.


Some Gump

12,745 posts

188 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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JuniorD said:
Bloody good interview with Paul Kimmage re. Wiggins and Sky.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kim...

One thing that can be said for Kimmage is that he's usually found to be right in the end
It reads to me like a bitter bellend gobbing off. Seems everyone he's ever worked with doesn't want to speak to him. Strange that.

Not defending sky, but this kimmmage bloke has been on a crusade to chat st since before I even started watching. He says he's not there to speculate whilst speculating wildly. He clearly feels rejected by sky and has gone after them like a woman scorned. Where us his vendetta against astana?

Bit gutted that the whole of British cycling and sky are now suspect, the sport is still as murky as ever. If sky are all doped to the eyeballs, but often get pasted - what does that say about the rest of the front runners? Sky hire the best from the other dreams because they have the best budget, allegedly fiull them with drugs, then don't win. The whole thing is like Strava drafting a lorry with a tailwind frown