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k up the upcoming racesJohnny said:
Roglic even more impressive now we find out he dislocated his shoulder in one of the crashes...
What a week of racing it’s been.
Indeed, the way he chased down the leaders was amazing - especially given the injuries he had.What a week of racing it’s been.
Good sportsmanship from Roglic at the end of the race too - offering his congratulations.
He's looking strong Roglic - he's been so dominant we expect that from him I guess.
WantSagaris said:
Roglic is always going to be a gamble I feel considering he isn't from a cycling background, only took it up in his early to mid 20s. It's a risk for a team to back him in a GT but he is physically incredible.
MSR finale looking like it's going to be a stormer
Would that be the same Roglic who has finished 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd in his four most recent GT races, going back to the Giro in 2019? His only 'issue' is that he seems to weaken in the third week....MSR finale looking like it's going to be a stormer
ArnageWRC said:
Would that be the same Roglic who has finished 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd in his four most recent GT races, going back to the Giro in 2019? His only 'issue' is that he seems to weaken in the third week....
If you pick up a sport that late in life, you're never going to have the same skillset as somebody who has been doing it since childhood, especially at the highest level.I was being hyper critical and mainly talking about winning the TDF. Roglic's two GT wins are at the Vuelta, very much the least revered of the three and with a winner list in recent years of the likes of Aru and Horner. Despite having the all-star team last year, he still didn't make it count at the TDF.
WantSagaris said:
ArnageWRC said:
Would that be the same Roglic who has finished 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd in his four most recent GT races, going back to the Giro in 2019? His only 'issue' is that he seems to weaken in the third week....
If you pick up a sport that late in life, you're never going to have the same skillset as somebody who has been doing it since childhood, especially at the highest level.I was being hyper critical and mainly talking about winning the TDF. Roglic's two GT wins are at the Vuelta, very much the least revered of the three and with a winner list in recent years of the likes of Aru and Horner. Despite having the all-star team last year, he still didn't make it count at the TDF.
mcelliott said:
Nonsense, the Vuelta is often regarded as the toughest of all the three grand tours the fact that it's less revered as you say is nether here or there, yes getting 2nd in the Tour only being beaten by a handful of seconds shows he's never gonna win it in future lol.
It might be the toughest to ride but it isn’t the hardest to win. The relatively greater prestige of the other two races, and particularly the Tour, means that those races are harder to win because that’s where the quality is more focused.You’ve only got to look at US Postal and Sky as evidence. The A Team went to the Tour.
mcelliott said:
Nonsense, the Vuelta is often regarded as the toughest of all the three grand tours the fact that it's less revered as you say is nether here or there, yes getting 2nd in the Tour only being beaten by a handful of seconds shows he's never gonna win it in future lol.
At no point did I say 'never going to win it'. Merely saying that Roglic is a risk despite his athletic abilities.The Vuelta once got described as a 'pirate ship' by a former pro. A last chance saloon to salvage the season from GT contenders and many who use it as WC prep.
https://inrng.com/2014/08/whats-the-point-of-the-v...
Edited by WantSagaris on Wednesday 17th March 17:53
WantSagaris said:
mcelliott said:
Nonsense, the Vuelta is often regarded as the toughest of all the three grand tours the fact that it's less revered as you say is nether here or there, yes getting 2nd in the Tour only being beaten by a handful of seconds shows he's never gonna win it in future lol.
At no point did I say 'never going to win it'. Merely saying that Roglic is a risk despite his athletic abilities.The Vuelta once got described as a 'pirate ship' by a former pro. A last chance saloon to salvage the season from GT contenders and many who use it as WC prep.
https://inrng.com/2014/08/whats-the-point-of-the-v...
Edited by WantSagaris on Wednesday 17th March 17:53
mcelliott said:
WantSagaris said:
mcelliott said:
Nonsense, the Vuelta is often regarded as the toughest of all the three grand tours the fact that it's less revered as you say is nether here or there, yes getting 2nd in the Tour only being beaten by a handful of seconds shows he's never gonna win it in future lol.
At no point did I say 'never going to win it'. Merely saying that Roglic is a risk despite his athletic abilities.The Vuelta once got described as a 'pirate ship' by a former pro. A last chance saloon to salvage the season from GT contenders and many who use it as WC prep.
https://inrng.com/2014/08/whats-the-point-of-the-v...
Edited by WantSagaris on Wednesday 17th March 17:53
It's not just bike handling, which you rightly pointed out doesn't necessarily need to be the best in GTs (Thomas, Froome). Reading a race and where to place yourself in a bunch in order to protect yourself which is incredibly important as most of a GT for a GC contender is spent protecting themselves.
Of course his GT record is stellar and he's also won LBL, but as I previously said I was being hyper critical of his ability to win the TDF given the present competition, and given his relative inexperience compared to his competitors the risk a team takes putting all their eggs in the Roglic basket.
Of course his GT record is stellar and he's also won LBL, but as I previously said I was being hyper critical of his ability to win the TDF given the present competition, and given his relative inexperience compared to his competitors the risk a team takes putting all their eggs in the Roglic basket.
I don't see roglic as a risk, he's always there or very close to success in most of the races he enters.
He probably the best person to get behind in his team. His recent record proves that. I'd certainly expect him to challenge for major honours again this season.
Also, the Vuelta may be rated slightly less to some, but it's a grand tour regardless. There are just the 3 of them, winning any puts your name down in history and is no easy thing.
The Vuelta usually has a lot of climbing in it, you forgot to mention the Pogacar and primoz won it recently... big deal about Aru and Horner.
He probably the best person to get behind in his team. His recent record proves that. I'd certainly expect him to challenge for major honours again this season.
Also, the Vuelta may be rated slightly less to some, but it's a grand tour regardless. There are just the 3 of them, winning any puts your name down in history and is no easy thing.
The Vuelta usually has a lot of climbing in it, you forgot to mention the Pogacar and primoz won it recently... big deal about Aru and Horner.
Dr Imran T said:
I don't see roglic as a risk, he's always there or very close to success in most of the races he enters.
He probably the best person to get behind in his team. His recent record proves that. I'd certainly expect him to challenge for major honours again this season.
Also, the Vuelta may be rated slightly less to some, but it's a grand tour regardless. There are just the 3 of them, winning any puts your name down in history and is no easy thing.
The Vuelta usually has a lot of climbing in it, you forgot to mention the Pogacar and primoz won it recently... big deal about Aru and Horner.
With Dumoulin now gone he's for sure number one, and if Bernal is still having issues with his back come the tour, I'd put Roglic as second favourite behind Pogacar (assuming they both ride).He probably the best person to get behind in his team. His recent record proves that. I'd certainly expect him to challenge for major honours again this season.
Also, the Vuelta may be rated slightly less to some, but it's a grand tour regardless. There are just the 3 of them, winning any puts your name down in history and is no easy thing.
The Vuelta usually has a lot of climbing in it, you forgot to mention the Pogacar and primoz won it recently... big deal about Aru and Horner.
WantSagaris said:
With Dumoulin now gone he's for sure number one, and if Bernal is still having issues with his back come the tour, I'd put Roglic as second favourite behind Pogacar (assuming they both ride).
I think Jumbo Visma will have learned from their tactical errors last year and Roglic would be my favourite. The JV mountain train is formidable and I think they’ll be putting Pogacar and everyone else to the sword in a way that they could have, but didn’t quite, last year. And hopefully I’ll get to reignite my man-crush on Sepp Kuss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCFQs9ZWSvA&ab...
Pidcock testing MTB equipment......(and note the Pinarello Crossista CX bike)
Pidcock testing MTB equipment......(and note the Pinarello Crossista CX bike)
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