The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
gazza285 said:
T6 vanman said:
A touch wet and blustery at this mornings half marathon …
My garmin Vivosport decided to end the measuring after 1km, anyone else had problems with one of these and wet sleeves?
If it’s not on Strava it didn’t happen. Them’s the rules.My garmin Vivosport decided to end the measuring after 1km, anyone else had problems with one of these and wet sleeves?
It could have been soooo much worse
Running with a work colleague and she mentioned that what I thought was a bag drop tag in the race pack was the timing chip tag, I could have been recorded as DNS ... que an emergency run back to the car 10 min's before race start
T6 vanman said:
Hi Gazza ... Long time with no abuse
It could have been soooo much worse
Running with a work colleague and she mentioned that what I thought was a bag drop tag in the race pack was the timing chip tag, I could have been recorded as DNS ... que an emergency run back to the car 10 min's before race start
Like a true noob.It could have been soooo much worse
Running with a work colleague and she mentioned that what I thought was a bag drop tag in the race pack was the timing chip tag, I could have been recorded as DNS ... que an emergency run back to the car 10 min's before race start
Pushed it too far in the gym this lunchtime doing sprints and got a darting pain up through the Achilles.It is ok to walk around in and i ended up decamping the cardio area to go and do weights. My question is twofold:
1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
rastapasta said:
Pushed it too far in the gym this lunchtime doing sprints and got a darting pain up through the Achilles.It is ok to walk around in and i ended up decamping the cardio area to go and do weights. My question is twofold:
1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
I guess it depends how careful you want to be and whether or not you want to risk something more serious happening.1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
Personally, and this is just me, I'd back off your mileage and intensity for a few days, perhaps take a day or two off, and go straight to a physio as soon as possible to get a diagnosis, some stretches, and some strengthening recommendations.
Last Friday I ran through a narrow gap alongside a gate at tempo pace and had a sudden collapse of my right knee and pain. I jogged back to work, took two days off, followed by two easy days and a visit to a physio last night (the soonest appointment I could get). I've had the all clear and I guess I've just been over-training (the most common cause of injury), so am gently getting back into it now with easy runs and no tempo for a week. I also cancelled my 10k race this Sunday, which bizarrely I was tapering for when the incident happened.
irish boy said:
Managed a pb at my local parkrun yesterday of 18m50s. I've done that time for 5k before but my local has a fair lump of a hill that has to be done 3 times so was very happy. Actually felt strongest in my last mile, tho I didn't take into account I had an 8k cross country to do 3 hours later 
Nice job! Great to get under 19 
RobM77 said:
rastapasta said:
Pushed it too far in the gym this lunchtime doing sprints and got a darting pain up through the Achilles.It is ok to walk around in and i ended up decamping the cardio area to go and do weights. My question is twofold:
1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
I guess it depends how careful you want to be and whether or not you want to risk something more serious happening.1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
Personally, and this is just me, I'd back off your mileage and intensity for a few days, perhaps take a day or two off, and go straight to a physio as soon as possible to get a diagnosis, some stretches, and some strengthening recommendations.
Last Friday I ran through a narrow gap alongside a gate at tempo pace and had a sudden collapse of my right knee and pain. I jogged back to work, took two days off, followed by two easy days and a visit to a physio last night (the soonest appointment I could get). I've had the all clear and I guess I've just been over-training (the most common cause of injury), so am gently getting back into it now with easy runs and no tempo for a week. I also cancelled my 10k race this Sunday, which bizarrely I was tapering for when the incident happened.
Robb you are the guru.
rastapasta said:
RobM77 said:
rastapasta said:
Pushed it too far in the gym this lunchtime doing sprints and got a darting pain up through the Achilles.It is ok to walk around in and i ended up decamping the cardio area to go and do weights. My question is twofold:
1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
I guess it depends how careful you want to be and whether or not you want to risk something more serious happening.1. do i go get physio or give it a few days of rest and see?
2. How long should I give it??
Many thanks in advance.
Personally, and this is just me, I'd back off your mileage and intensity for a few days, perhaps take a day or two off, and go straight to a physio as soon as possible to get a diagnosis, some stretches, and some strengthening recommendations.
Last Friday I ran through a narrow gap alongside a gate at tempo pace and had a sudden collapse of my right knee and pain. I jogged back to work, took two days off, followed by two easy days and a visit to a physio last night (the soonest appointment I could get). I've had the all clear and I guess I've just been over-training (the most common cause of injury), so am gently getting back into it now with easy runs and no tempo for a week. I also cancelled my 10k race this Sunday, which bizarrely I was tapering for when the incident happened.
Robb you are the guru.
Much, much earlier in this thread we discussed the best achilles stretch we all know of: stand on a step on one foot, facing the step with just the ball of your foot on the edge of the step - picture the position 10m divers use to start backwards dives, but on one foot. You'll probably need to gently hold on to something with one hand to balance properly. Starting with your heel as high as possible, up on tip "toes" (really the ball of the foot), gently and slowly drop the heel until it's as far down as it'll go (a few inches below your toes), hold for a few seconds, then go back up swiftly and repeat. When I switched to forefoot running I had achilles problems and this sorted me out straight away. I still do it every day.
Parsnip said:
Does a 40 min 10k runner need them? Of course not - but if they give you a free minute or two then who cares - I am happy to race on a bike dripping in tech to make me go faster, why should running be different?
I'd say we do actually - to go from 40 minutes to 39 minutes (a 2.5% improvement) is a really significant improvement. I've never tried a pair, but I must admit I'm tempted. I have very wide feet though - not sure if they'd be suitable...RobM77 said:
Parsnip said:
Does a 40 min 10k runner need them? Of course not - but if they give you a free minute or two then who cares - I am happy to race on a bike dripping in tech to make me go faster, why should running be different?
I'd say we do actually - to go from 40 minutes to 39 minutes (a 2.5% improvement) is a really significant improvement. I've never tried a pair, but I must admit I'm tempted. I have very wide feet though - not sure if they'd be suitable...I have tried the Pegasus Turbo in a shop, but not the Vaporfly - it shares some of the tech from the Vaporfly and it felt quick. They didn't feel like they meant business like a racing flat does, but once running, you could really feel the energy return working (maybe a placebo and I only had a short treadmill run, but meh). I reckon intervals would feel easier in a racing flat, but once running at 5/10k pace for any length of time, the marshmallow shoes would start to make the difference.
Have made a deal with myself that once I'm back at a sub 40 10k, then I can get a pair of the springboards (maybe the Zoom fly's if the Vapor doesn't drop a bit in price - an extra £100 is a lot of money on a shoe that will be a race day/speedwork treat). If that knocks a minute or so off my "normal" time I can live with that, but getting from my current fitness of just outside 40 minutes to just under it would feel like cheating if it was a pair of shoes that got me there.
43 days into my ‘run every day for the year’ challenge!
Had a foot injury before I started, but have run it off.
Averaging around 40 miles a week at moment
Was running say 5 days a week before.
I did the same challenge 8 years ago & was getting PBs (well 21st century PBs.., 1.25 HM etc) later in the year.
Hopefully will do the same this time around.
Had a foot injury before I started, but have run it off.
Averaging around 40 miles a week at moment
Was running say 5 days a week before.
I did the same challenge 8 years ago & was getting PBs (well 21st century PBs.., 1.25 HM etc) later in the year.
Hopefully will do the same this time around.
Parsnip said:
RobM77 said:
Parsnip said:
Does a 40 min 10k runner need them? Of course not - but if they give you a free minute or two then who cares - I am happy to race on a bike dripping in tech to make me go faster, why should running be different?
I'd say we do actually - to go from 40 minutes to 39 minutes (a 2.5% improvement) is a really significant improvement. I've never tried a pair, but I must admit I'm tempted. I have very wide feet though - not sure if they'd be suitable...I have tried the Pegasus Turbo in a shop, but not the Vaporfly - it shares some of the tech from the Vaporfly and it felt quick. They didn't feel like they meant business like a racing flat does, but once running, you could really feel the energy return working (maybe a placebo and I only had a short treadmill run, but meh). I reckon intervals would feel easier in a racing flat, but once running at 5/10k pace for any length of time, the marshmallow shoes would start to make the difference.
Have made a deal with myself that once I'm back at a sub 40 10k, then I can get a pair of the springboards (maybe the Zoom fly's if the Vapor doesn't drop a bit in price - an extra £100 is a lot of money on a shoe that will be a race day/speedwork treat). If that knocks a minute or so off my "normal" time I can live with that, but getting from my current fitness of just outside 40 minutes to just under it would feel like cheating if it was a pair of shoes that got me there.
Exactly the same for me. I want to do a sub 40min 10k and a sub 90 minute half marathon, and then once those goals have been achieved I'll give it some thought. My reasoning is that those goals are based on performance in normal shoes, so I want to complete them in normal shoes. They're also four times the cost of my usual running shoes I'm a) cheap and b) siding with Mary Cain instead of Nike, so won't be getting a pair!
I'm also grumpy. I've been managing achey shins OK for a while, but got cocky. I put in a great session on the local roads - 3k warm up, then 4 x 1500m with 500m recoveries and a 2k CD. I posted 6.32, 6.39, 6.19 and 6.08 for my 1500s at a slightly higher than marathon heart rate and stretched well afterwards, but boy, oh boy was my right shin sore yesterday.
I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that I need to be more dilligent with the rehab (no surprise to me) and I will also need to do all intense training on a wattbike from now on. So, my marathon training will be 60% running and 40% sat on my arse. We'll see how this goes...
I'm also grumpy. I've been managing achey shins OK for a while, but got cocky. I put in a great session on the local roads - 3k warm up, then 4 x 1500m with 500m recoveries and a 2k CD. I posted 6.32, 6.39, 6.19 and 6.08 for my 1500s at a slightly higher than marathon heart rate and stretched well afterwards, but boy, oh boy was my right shin sore yesterday.
I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that I need to be more dilligent with the rehab (no surprise to me) and I will also need to do all intense training on a wattbike from now on. So, my marathon training will be 60% running and 40% sat on my arse. We'll see how this goes...
Thought about swimming and/or yoga? Both really take the edge off for me and I've been pretty good about doing a couple of km swimming and an hour of yoga per week and since then have had a lot less general creaking and my ITB related knee pain only starts to flare up towards the tail end of some sillier sessions.
Going for the first real 5k of the year tomorrow - hopefully 20 mins or there about. First 10k is a week on Sunday, but signed up on a whim - its about 2km from home, so thinking i'll just run there and back and treat it as a tempo, but always nice to see how the legs are doing early in the year.
Going for the first real 5k of the year tomorrow - hopefully 20 mins or there about. First 10k is a week on Sunday, but signed up on a whim - its about 2km from home, so thinking i'll just run there and back and treat it as a tempo, but always nice to see how the legs are doing early in the year.
Parsnip said:
Thought about swimming and/or yoga? Both really take the edge off for me and I've been pretty good about doing a couple of km swimming and an hour of yoga per week and since then have had a lot less general creaking and my ITB related knee pain only starts to flare up towards the tail end of some sillier sessions.
Going for the first real 5k of the year tomorrow - hopefully 20 mins or there about. First 10k is a week on Sunday, but signed up on a whim - its about 2km from home, so thinking i'll just run there and back and treat it as a tempo, but always nice to see how the legs are doing early in the year.
Tend to swim once a week, but I can only train in lunchtimes Monday to Friday, so my Mon-Sun week is normally Gym/Run/Run/Gym/Run/Rest/Run+Swim.Going for the first real 5k of the year tomorrow - hopefully 20 mins or there about. First 10k is a week on Sunday, but signed up on a whim - its about 2km from home, so thinking i'll just run there and back and treat it as a tempo, but always nice to see how the legs are doing early in the year.
I do a fair bit of stretching, rolling and so on at home once the kids are in bed. I'm just not getting on top of the shin as training ramps up.
Smitters said:
Parsnip said:
Thought about swimming and/or yoga? Both really take the edge off for me and I've been pretty good about doing a couple of km swimming and an hour of yoga per week and since then have had a lot less general creaking and my ITB related knee pain only starts to flare up towards the tail end of some sillier sessions.
Going for the first real 5k of the year tomorrow - hopefully 20 mins or there about. First 10k is a week on Sunday, but signed up on a whim - its about 2km from home, so thinking i'll just run there and back and treat it as a tempo, but always nice to see how the legs are doing early in the year.
Tend to swim once a week, but I can only train in lunchtimes Monday to Friday, so my Mon-Sun week is normally Gym/Run/Run/Gym/Run/Rest/Run+Swim.Going for the first real 5k of the year tomorrow - hopefully 20 mins or there about. First 10k is a week on Sunday, but signed up on a whim - its about 2km from home, so thinking i'll just run there and back and treat it as a tempo, but always nice to see how the legs are doing early in the year.
I do a fair bit of stretching, rolling and so on at home once the kids are in bed. I'm just not getting on top of the shin as training ramps up.
RobM77 said:
I started out running trying the Furman training plan, which is 3 key runs a week and the rest in cross-training. Not sure about you, but I just find cross training really impractical, particularly from work. With swimming you've got the journey to and from the pool, which in a lunch hour leaves with a tiny amount of time for swimming. Furthermore, you've got the usual problems with lane swimming (availability of lane swimming, especially during school holidays; kids going the wrong way; slow people in the fast lane when overtaking's not really possible etc). With cycling you've got to take your bike to work with you, which usually involves unloading the bike from your car and attaching wheels etc before you can get going, and you've also got to find suitable roads that are safe enough. I've ended up just doing easy runs between the three core runs - running seems to be by far the most flexible sport.
Whereas I just can't sustain that much running. Believe me, I'd love to. Plus, I'm doing a Tough Mudder, so need some strength training to get through that, plus the gym is "prehab" for me - and provides the foundation for the running improvements with targeted core, running specific and compound exercises. I get some time between 1130 and 1400 every day, meetings dependent, so I run from, and shower at, the office except the weekend. The gym is 5 mins from the office, so that's the other lunchtimes. Swimming is 8.15pm on a Sunday, after the kids are in bed and five mins drive away. I'll be using a Wattbike in the gym, so for me, this means the only impact on family time is the weekend long run. It also present a far healthier alternative to sitting at my desk eating a Tesco meal deal, which was 2018's typical lunch. Having assessed my requirements of minimal impact for maximum bang for buck, I'm not sure I can do better. Except getting new shins, obvs.Smitters said:
RobM77 said:
I started out running trying the Furman training plan, which is 3 key runs a week and the rest in cross-training. Not sure about you, but I just find cross training really impractical, particularly from work. With swimming you've got the journey to and from the pool, which in a lunch hour leaves with a tiny amount of time for swimming. Furthermore, you've got the usual problems with lane swimming (availability of lane swimming, especially during school holidays; kids going the wrong way; slow people in the fast lane when overtaking's not really possible etc). With cycling you've got to take your bike to work with you, which usually involves unloading the bike from your car and attaching wheels etc before you can get going, and you've also got to find suitable roads that are safe enough. I've ended up just doing easy runs between the three core runs - running seems to be by far the most flexible sport.
Whereas I just can't sustain that much running. Believe me, I'd love to. Plus, I'm doing a Tough Mudder, so need some strength training to get through that, plus the gym is "prehab" for me - and provides the foundation for the running improvements with targeted core, running specific and compound exercises. I get some time between 1130 and 1400 every day, meetings dependent, so I run from, and shower at, the office except the weekend. The gym is 5 mins from the office, so that's the other lunchtimes. Swimming is 8.15pm on a Sunday, after the kids are in bed and five mins drive away. I'll be using a Wattbike in the gym, so for me, this means the only impact on family time is the weekend long run. It also present a far healthier alternative to sitting at my desk eating a Tesco meal deal, which was 2018's typical lunch. Having assessed my requirements of minimal impact for maximum bang for buck, I'm not sure I can do better. Except getting new shins, obvs.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff