Running shoes?

[dave_s13]

It can definitely be a contributing factor, yes.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/NR/rdonlyres/5C9BA6AE-C7...


Google it

Edited by dave_s13 on Thursday 15th January 21:26

[captainzep]

okgo said:

So been out on my usual 3k evening run just up and down the river. Getting better which is great, don't have to stop for breath any more really..

But a big problem, is that my saliva tends to get very thick and it makes it hard to breathe.. Should you drink while you run to keep your mouth wet? Or am I breathing wrong?

First off, congrats on the progress.

Your passage into the world of experienced running is marked by the loss of self consciousness when spitting.

Lots of mouth breathing and a bit of mucous trickling down from rear nasal passages will cause more thick saliva, -spit it out. -Fresh saliva will flow in.

Yum! Its the only way!

As you get fitter you'll find yourself gasping less and the state of your mouth won't bother you so much anyway.

For 3k runs don't worry about the faffing around with a water bottle. I don't take water with me for 10k runs. Just endeavour to keep hydrated during the day and knock back half a pint of water 15 mins before the run.

[dungeon master]

I did my 2.5m run home last night, so that was my second run since finding out about the marathon (first one was 4.6m)

I took a VERY easy pace for for about 2m (6mph ish i'd have though) then gave it a good pasting for the last 1/2 (maybe about 8mph), what's surprising me is my recovery, which is very quick, still need to shift this gut, as it's making my back hurt!

[captainzep]

dungeon master said:

I did my 2.5m run home last night, so that was my second run since finding out about the marathon (first one was 4.6m)

I took a VERY easy pace for for about 2m (6mph ish i'd have though) then gave it a good pasting for the last 1/2 (maybe about 8mph), what's surprising me is my recovery, which is very quick, still need to shift this gut, as it's making my back hurt!

I'm no marathon runner so bear this in mind when reading any 'advice' but you're essentially gearing up for an endurance event.

There are two types of muscle fibre, fast twitch (quick and strong movement but low endurance) and slow twitch (repetitive function). You'll need a mix of both in tour legs and you almost certainly won't have enough slow twitch currently.

The only way to tell your body to develop more slow twitch muscle is to increase the amount of time you run on tired legs. Hence the (increasingly) long weekend run in most training schedules. That's not to say some midweek speed work/fartlek/hill training won't be beneficial too. -Have you looked at any marathon training schedules?

Of course, be careful with increasing the mileage too, this is where the injuries crop up. (As I'm finding to my cost right now...because I'm a feckwit)

Re. the belly, -that will disappear soon enough when the mileage increases. I seem to remember a 2 hour run burning over 2000 calories.

Edited by captainzep on Friday 16th January 09:28

[clonmult]

I've started (indoor/treadmill) running in earnest this year (about 32km last week, 25 so far this week), but having read this thread it does seem like I'm getting shin splints.

Will a change to more supportive running shoes help? I'm running in a pear of Reebok cross trainers. Or will I also need to try and change my running style?

[ewenm]

clonmult said:

I've started (indoor/treadmill) running in earnest this year (about 32km last week, 25 so far this week), but having read this thread it does seem like I'm getting shin splints.

Will a change to more supportive running shoes help? I'm running in a pear of Reebok cross trainers. Or will I also need to try and change my running style?

I'd certainly get hold of a pair of proper running shoes. I'd also try to add some variety to your running - try going offroad for a run at the weekend. Softer surfaces are significantly easier on the legs than treadmills or road.

Edit: If you are doing all your running on treadmills, make sure you've got at least 1% incline to compensate for the lack of air resistance.

Edited by ewenm on Friday 16th January 11:53

[dungeon master]

captainzep said:

dungeon master said:

I did my 2.5m run home last night, so that was my second run since finding out about the marathon (first one was 4.6m)

I took a VERY easy pace for for about 2m (6mph ish i'd have though) then gave it a good pasting for the last 1/2 (maybe about 8mph), what's surprising me is my recovery, which is very quick, still need to shift this gut, as it's making my back hurt!

I'm no marathon runner so bear this in mind when reading any 'advice' but you're essentially gearing up for an endurance event.

There are two types of muscle fibre, fast twitch (quick and strong movement but low endurance) and slow twitch (repetitive function). You'll need a mix of both in tour legs and you almost certainly won't have enough slow twitch currently.

The only way to tell your body to develop more slow twitch muscle is to increase the amount of time you run on tired legs. Hence the (increasingly) long weekend run in most training schedules. That's not to say some midweek speed work/fartlek/hill training won't be beneficial too. -Have you looked at any marathon training schedules?

Of course, be careful with increasing the mileage too, this is where the injuries crop up. (As I'm finding to my cost right now...because I'm a feckwit)

Re. the belly, -that will disappear soon enough when the mileage increases. I seem to remember a 2 hour run burning over 2000 calories.

Edited by captainzep on Friday 16th January 09:28

Cheers for the advice.

Rest day today, supposed to do a biggie tomorrow and Sunday

[Prometheus]

Another vote for Asics. I used to use Saucony but have moved to Asics over recent years.

[Bosshogg76]

Prometheus said:

Another vote for Asics. I used to use Saucony but have moved to Asics over recent years.

Asics are great shoes, however i found that over my playing career as i got heavier i flattened them faster and faster. 3-4 months was/is the usual life span of my trainers. After that they feel like I'm running with baking trays attached to my feet.

I did try some Brooks ones which were apparently designed for the larger gentleman, but it left like i was wearing Frankenstein boots. So it was back to the lighter built, Asics

[_Deano]

Prometheus said:

Another vote for Asics. I used to use Saucony but have moved to Asics over recent years.

Bought the Kayano 15 in Jan from City Runners and they have to be the best trainners that i've ever worn.
Normally i get a slight kneen pain where there is a pin in my leg, this was when i was running with Addidas SuperNovas. I thought that the Addidas were great as it stopped my shin splints. But these trainners don't even bother my knee anymore.
It's as if i can just run and the only thing that is holding me back is my physical fitness.
I'd recommened that you try on a pair and if possible take them for a quick test on the running machine (which this place allows you to do)

Slighty expensive at £110, but so worth it.

[The jiffle king]

Mizuno Wave Riders for me, I'm quite light (10.5 stone) so they suit me as they are cushioned, but not heavily....

T-J-K

[okgo]

I have been impressed with the asics, but at 15 stone, I am sure they won't last long.

[Bosshogg76]

okgo said:

I have been impressed with the asics, but at 15 stone, I am sure they won't last long.

Afraid they wont bud, i weighed about 15.5/16 stone when i was playing. I ran, wore them to the gym etc, and with in 3 months utterly devoid of any shock absorption. I began the past master at buying last seasons models at a discount. Other wise 80 quid every 3-4 months would have brought a tear to my eye!!

[dave_s13]

Ebay is realy good for cheap Asics trainers. I've had my last 2 pairs off there for £35 and £40 a pair.

If you know the model and your size you can't go wrong.

[Prometheus]

Sweatshop peridiocally have sales where you can get last year's shoes at a bit of a discount.

[captainzep]

Bosshogg76 said:

I did try some Brooks ones which were apparently designed for the larger gentleman, but it left like i was wearing Frankenstein boots. So it was back to the lighter built, Asics

Weird isn't it? I had Brooks recommended, -some people swear by them, but trying them on, it was like strapping planks to my feet. Strange.

[captainzep]

Although people say that running shoes should perfect for running right out of the box, take that with a pinch of salt.

When I started running in my Asics my calf muscles ached more than normal, I got other aches and pains, and blisters. -I nearly took them back. Couple of weeks later all was fine.

[The jiffle king]

captainzep said:

Although people say that running shoes should perfect for running right out of the box, take that with a pinch of salt.

When I started running in my Asics my calf muscles ached more than normal, I got other aches and pains, and blisters. -I nearly took them back. Couple of weeks later all was fine.

I agree. I've already bedded in my pair for Wokingham Half by running 15 miles in them. Never run a race with shoes out of the box

[dungeon master]

Done 7 miles this morning, bit sore in the area just above the knee on the inside of my leg, when I say a bit sore, within 10 mins I was having to go up the stairs on all fours! lol!

No pain, no gain.

Nice hot bath and i'm almost walking normally

PS Sorry with these persistent updates on the running shoes thread, will open a new one.

[okgo]

Quick one guys...

Half the reason I have started the running is to become a bit smaller.. Now since starting running just before xmas the muscles in my legs have become more defined, but they are still the same size. Now the issue is I have quite large legs, which from what I can tell don't have much fat on them, but are very muscular (sqaut 170 kg)..

Are they going to get smaller? Or am, I just going to get fitter?