The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
Discussion
madcowman said:
Turn7 said:
They used to do that by the FLitwick junction off the M1, don’t recall the clubs name tho….
Possibly spring well something ?
https://www.springview-ranges.co.uk/Possibly spring well something ?
haven't been myself so I dont know if its a full PSG type layout.
Not been that way for a while, but there used to be one of their signs with PSG in large letters at the entrance.
NDA said:
I didn't get many over me, but shot every one - apart from missing a lovely partridge because of the auto safety. Grrrr!. Was using 28/5.5 cartridges.
The birds were not that high, so the jury is standing up, rather than out.
But I felt I shot as well as I would with my 12.
Loved the gun, I am not sure what the weight difference is between my 12 and my 20 (both EELL's), but the 20 felt massively lighter and a pleasure to shoot. Very easy and quick to bring to the shoulder.
The real test, I suspect, will be high birds when I shoot in Yorkshire - not whether the gun can cope (my friends shoot 20's up there), but whether I am a good enough shot.
I will never part with my 12 as it was a gift from a dear friend, but I suspect the 20 is now my regular gun.
Live and do most of my shooting in Yorkshire. We have some really top class shooting and some famous high bird shoots which are out of my league. I've shot my highest birds with my 20. Mine is probably only a pound lighter than my 12 but I think the lack of weight in the barrels really helps.The birds were not that high, so the jury is standing up, rather than out.
But I felt I shot as well as I would with my 12.Loved the gun, I am not sure what the weight difference is between my 12 and my 20 (both EELL's), but the 20 felt massively lighter and a pleasure to shoot. Very easy and quick to bring to the shoulder.
The real test, I suspect, will be high birds when I shoot in Yorkshire - not whether the gun can cope (my friends shoot 20's up there), but whether I am a good enough shot.
I will never part with my 12 as it was a gift from a dear friend, but I suspect the 20 is now my regular gun.
Does anyone have experience of staying overnight at a hotel with gun storage?
I'm looking at having a couple days away around May, probably round the Cotswolds so I can get around a few of the grounds down there, so I'm looking for a country hotel that offers storage. I've enquired at one near Cheltenham recommended by Ian Coley - it claims a 10-gun safe but the actual hotel website doesn't make any mention, so I've emailed them to clarify..
I'm looking at having a couple days away around May, probably round the Cotswolds so I can get around a few of the grounds down there, so I'm looking for a country hotel that offers storage. I've enquired at one near Cheltenham recommended by Ian Coley - it claims a 10-gun safe but the actual hotel website doesn't make any mention, so I've emailed them to clarify..
smithyithy said:
Does anyone have experience of staying overnight at a hotel with gun storage?
I'm looking at having a couple days away around May, probably round the Cotswolds so I can get around a few of the grounds down there, so I'm looking for a country hotel that offers storage. I've enquired at one near Cheltenham recommended by Ian Coley - it claims a 10-gun safe but the actual hotel website doesn't make any mention, so I've emailed them to clarify..
Can Coley not store it if the hotel can’t? Or just break it down and keep the barrels locked in your car, stock and forend in your room (trigger lock on stock/action, forend in the in-room safe?).I'm looking at having a couple days away around May, probably round the Cotswolds so I can get around a few of the grounds down there, so I'm looking for a country hotel that offers storage. I've enquired at one near Cheltenham recommended by Ian Coley - it claims a 10-gun safe but the actual hotel website doesn't make any mention, so I've emailed them to clarify..
If you are in the area, Ladyswood is a nice ground to visit too (just north of J18 of M4); some cartridge restrictions (based on noise). Barbury is also good and not too far (near Swindon). Mendip Shooting Ground is a bit further away (Wells) but has a wide range of layouts, including skeet and trap (although, again for noise reasons, you have to use their cartridges). All 3 have gun shops on site.
smithyithy said:
Does anyone have experience of staying overnight at a hotel with gun storage?
Yes, I've done it a lot.They'll either have a gun safe behind reception, or in your room. If they don't (as above) break your gun down and put the barrels in the boot and the stock in your room.
I've read different things about staying in a hotel with a gun.
If it was me and it was just for a night or two I wouldn't mention to anyone I had a gun with me. Barrels would be left in the car out of sight. Action and forend in the hotel with me. Someone once suggested using a gun/bike lock to secure the action to something like a radiator if the room doesn't have a large enough safe. Obviously make sure it's not left like that when you leave the room. Or just keep them wrapped up in your locked suitcase.
I was almost going to do this last year when I went to the Northern Shooting show, but in the end I decided not to shoot.
If it was me and it was just for a night or two I wouldn't mention to anyone I had a gun with me. Barrels would be left in the car out of sight. Action and forend in the hotel with me. Someone once suggested using a gun/bike lock to secure the action to something like a radiator if the room doesn't have a large enough safe. Obviously make sure it's not left like that when you leave the room. Or just keep them wrapped up in your locked suitcase.
I was almost going to do this last year when I went to the Northern Shooting show, but in the end I decided not to shoot.
Well I've booked a place for late May so plenty of time to decide 
I've been shooting Hull Comp-X recently which I've found really good, much less recoil than their Superfast and they're the same price for 250 from our local gun shop.
I didn't take any today as my local ground had some new stuff in stock I wanted to test, so I shot 100 Eley Ambers..
24g 8's vs. the 28g 7.5 Hulls... Nice smooth cartridge, and they look cool which definitely counts
I actually scored higher today but I put that down to just shooting better one day than the other..
I've made a spreadsheet for the stands at my local ground so I can track scores each time I go and see where I'm doing better / worse with each target. Rabbits are still s
t but I used a box just practicing on a LR / RL fast crosser pair and after getting used to the quicker reaction time I was hitting them consistently..
I've been shooting Hull Comp-X recently which I've found really good, much less recoil than their Superfast and they're the same price for 250 from our local gun shop.
I didn't take any today as my local ground had some new stuff in stock I wanted to test, so I shot 100 Eley Ambers..
24g 8's vs. the 28g 7.5 Hulls... Nice smooth cartridge, and they look cool which definitely counts
I actually scored higher today but I put that down to just shooting better one day than the other..
I've made a spreadsheet for the stands at my local ground so I can track scores each time I go and see where I'm doing better / worse with each target. Rabbits are still s
t but I used a box just practicing on a LR / RL fast crosser pair and after getting used to the quicker reaction time I was hitting them consistently..I like using Hull Superfast 27gr. I use them in my semi auto which obviously helps with recoil reduction. They're my go to shell.
If using an O/U I usually shoot 21gr Hull Comp X or perhaps a 24gr.
I hit all the rabbits today, but on the same stand missed a long distance crosser. In fact out of three of us, only one guy hit it once.
My score sheet at the end could've been marked like a school report - must do better!
If using an O/U I usually shoot 21gr Hull Comp X or perhaps a 24gr.
I hit all the rabbits today, but on the same stand missed a long distance crosser. In fact out of three of us, only one guy hit it once.
My score sheet at the end could've been marked like a school report - must do better!
Thin White Duke said:
I like using Hull Superfast 27gr. I use them in my semi auto which obviously helps with recoil reduction. They're my go to shell.
If using an O/U I usually shoot 21gr Hull Comp X or perhaps a 24gr.
Hull Superfast 27g have been my default choice for using in my B725 for past couple of years.If using an O/U I usually shoot 21gr Hull Comp X or perhaps a 24gr.
Cartridges always seem a bit of mystery to me (I don't shoot clays), I think I either shoot well or I don't. A bit like putting in golf.
I've shot Regal 32/6's in my 12 for years - only because it was the first cartridge I used years ago, so stuck with it. I've recently bought a 20 and have been using Hull 28/5.5's which seemed to work well - although I've not had any high birds over me yet.
Both guns are choked a half and a quarter. I have not experimented with chokes either....
I've shot Regal 32/6's in my 12 for years - only because it was the first cartridge I used years ago, so stuck with it. I've recently bought a 20 and have been using Hull 28/5.5's which seemed to work well - although I've not had any high birds over me yet.
Both guns are choked a half and a quarter. I have not experimented with chokes either....
aeropilot said:
Don't notice it....
But, I shoot old WW1 &WW2 military rifles as well, so probably why I don't find them that punchy....
Makes sense But, I shoot old WW1 &WW2 military rifles as well, so probably why I don't find them that punchy....
I can only compare against what I've used so far, so with the same gun - a very typical 12g O/U, there are noticeable differences between the half-dozen different shells I've shot so far..
Hull Superfast 27g and Lyalvale English Sporter 28g are both a bit punchy, whereas the 28g Hull Comp-X, Eley Amber 24g and Eley Select 21g are quite a bit smoother!
smithyithy said:
aeropilot said:
Don't notice it....
But, I shoot old WW1 &WW2 military rifles as well, so probably why I don't find them that punchy....
Makes sense But, I shoot old WW1 &WW2 military rifles as well, so probably why I don't find them that punchy....
I can only compare against what I've used so far, so with the same gun - a very typical 12g O/U, there are noticeable differences between the half-dozen different shells I've shot so far..
Hull Superfast 27g and Lyalvale English Sporter 28g are both a bit punchy, whereas the 28g Hull Comp-X, Eley Amber 24g and Eley Select 21g are quite a bit smoother!
smithyithy said:
Makes sense
I can only compare against what I've used so far, so with the same gun - a very typical 12g O/U, there are noticeable differences between the half-dozen different shells I've shot so far..
Hull Superfast 27g and Lyalvale English Sporter 28g are both a bit punchy, whereas the 28g Hull Comp-X, Eley Amber 24g and Eley Select 21g are quite a bit smoother!
I always liked Gamebore Blue DIamonds, nice and smooth , plus good antimony…I can only compare against what I've used so far, so with the same gun - a very typical 12g O/U, there are noticeable differences between the half-dozen different shells I've shot so far..
Hull Superfast 27g and Lyalvale English Sporter 28g are both a bit punchy, whereas the 28g Hull Comp-X, Eley Amber 24g and Eley Select 21g are quite a bit smoother!
Expensive these days sadly
Cartridges are a very subjective topic, one person will love what another man hates. I for instance am getting recoil sensitive, where as when I was younger I was quite happy with some very big bangs.
I use Comp X 21g when having lessons as the much reduced recoil helps with the number of shots in a session.
For competition use I use Hull Sporting 100’s and Fiocchi F 3’s, the later I do find a little thumps but if I don’t shoot that many consecutively I’m ok.
What I ended up doing was looking at their rated muzzle speed, the Comp X are 1300 and the Sporting 100’s are 1350 FPS. The F3’s are 1450 FPS.
Super fast I think are 1500 FPS, and sovereigns are 1500 - 1600 (sod that and then there is the cost!). In ballistic terms, a small change in speed can make a big change to the characteristics.
The worst cartridge I found were the Fiocchi F Blacks, ouch is all I can say.
If I shoot DTL/ trap, I use Laylvale power gold 24’s, which are buttery smooth which I put down to being 24g.
I use Comp X 21g when having lessons as the much reduced recoil helps with the number of shots in a session.
For competition use I use Hull Sporting 100’s and Fiocchi F 3’s, the later I do find a little thumps but if I don’t shoot that many consecutively I’m ok.
What I ended up doing was looking at their rated muzzle speed, the Comp X are 1300 and the Sporting 100’s are 1350 FPS. The F3’s are 1450 FPS.
Super fast I think are 1500 FPS, and sovereigns are 1500 - 1600 (sod that and then there is the cost!). In ballistic terms, a small change in speed can make a big change to the characteristics.
The worst cartridge I found were the Fiocchi F Blacks, ouch is all I can say.
If I shoot DTL/ trap, I use Laylvale power gold 24’s, which are buttery smooth which I put down to being 24g.
thismonkeyhere said:
What do you mean by 'punchy'?
Just in terms of the recoil felt, I mean any 12 gauge shotgun shell you're going to feel some some degree, but those two just kick more than the others..It's telling that specification-wise, the Comp-X and Superfast are very similar but definitely feel different - I guess the latter are higher velocity and therefore have more charge / powder / whatever the correct term is.. which translates into more felt recoil when all else is equal..?
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