The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

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Thin White Duke

2,341 posts

162 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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I've always been recoil sensitive. hence why I only shoot anything higher than a 24 gram shell through a semi auto (the only exception being when I'm shooting live quarry on a rough shoot).

The worst cartridges I remember using where D&J (they were orange), possibly the worst shells ever made. Kicked like a mule, left a ton of crud in the barrels and if the wind was blowing from the muzzle to your face you'd end up with a face full of dirt.

thismonkeyhere

10,473 posts

233 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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smithyithy said:
thismonkeyhere said:
What do you mean by 'punchy'?
Just in terms of the recoil felt, I mean any 12 gauge shotgun shell you're going to feel some some degree, but those two just kick more than the others..

It's telling that specification-wise, the Comp-X and Superfast are very similar but definitely feel different - I guess the latter are higher velocity and therefore have more charge / powder / whatever the correct term is.. which translates into more felt recoil when all else is equal..?
I'm quite interested in this chat, as in twenty-something years and however many 1000s of cartridges, I haven't noticed a great deal of difference in recoil between cartridges. To be fair, I have only bought quality brands, I have rarely shot anything below 28g or above 30g, and they've all, AFAIK, been of similar velocity, and I have found any differences to be very subtle. When I had my gun fitted, I had a 'kick-eez' pad added, which may contribute.

Also - I may be just be too 'slow' to notice hehe



MKnight702

3,115 posts

216 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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Thin White Duke said:
The worst cartridges I remember using where D&J (they were orange), possibly the worst shells ever made. Kicked like a mule, left a ton of crud in the barrels and if the wind was blowing from the muzzle to your face you'd end up with a face full of dirt.
Meh, you should try a muzzle loader!

thismonkeyhere

10,473 posts

233 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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As a slight aside....

Utterly tragic news from Epson. Shocking and sad.

Waiting for the inevitable comments about legally held firearms from misguided MPs and the public though.......

MB140

4,118 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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I shoot fiocchi Blacks, never had an issue. Mind you I do shoot 5.56 and 7.62 quite regularly for work.

On a side note for those discussing hearing protection earlier. I emailed CFG, they will have a stand there and will do custom ear moulds on a first come first served basis.

aeropilot

34,913 posts

229 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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thismonkeyhere said:
As a slight aside....

Utterly tragic news from Epson. Shocking and sad.

Waiting for the inevitable comments about legally held firearms from misguided MPs and the public though.......
See media are reporting "It is believed the couple were known to Surrey Police"

Which to me suggests maybe previous reported domestic situation.....or other reported incidences, if so, there will be questions about the recent renewal process in that case.
No mention of whether SGC or FAC though, not that it matters much, other than in yet another political situation, given Starmer is already trying to get more changes made as a result of the Plymouth incident.


smithyithy

7,278 posts

120 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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MB140 said:
I shoot fiocchi Blacks, never had an issue. Mind you I do shoot 5.56 and 7.62 quite regularly for work.

On a side note for those discussing hearing protection earlier. I emailed CFG, they will have a stand there and will do custom ear moulds on a first come first served basis.
I think Plugzz are there too, so definitely a good opportunity to order some, I was umming and arring about going to the show but I'll probably miss it this time, spend the money on cartridges instead laugh

I did see on CFGs social media pages recently though that they have a ~30 day lead time on orders due to current demand!

The Moose

22,906 posts

211 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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aeropilot said:
See media are reporting "It is believed the couple were known to Surrey Police"

Which to me suggests maybe previous reported domestic situation.....or other reported incidences, if so, there will be questions about the recent renewal process in that case.
No mention of whether SGC or FAC though, not that it matters much, other than in yet another political situation, given Starmer is already trying to get more changes made as a result of the Plymouth incident.
Not known

Eta: likely FAL if they found a rifle?

Edited by The Moose on Tuesday 7th February 14:48

MB140

4,118 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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smithyithy said:
MB140 said:
I shoot fiocchi Blacks, never had an issue. Mind you I do shoot 5.56 and 7.62 quite regularly for work.

On a side note for those discussing hearing protection earlier. I emailed CFG, they will have a stand there and will do custom ear moulds on a first come first served basis.
I think Plugzz are there too, so definitely a good opportunity to order some, I was umming and arring about going to the show but I'll probably miss it this time, spend the money on cartridges instead laugh

I did see on CFGs social media pages recently though that they have a ~30 day lead time on orders due to current demand!
Yeah they did mention month lead times. I take that as a good sign. If their product is in demand it must be of good quality (you would hope).

I’m going to take a good look around all of the custom moulded heating protection providers thee and then pick which I think will be best. Having said that CFG seem to be very popular at our local shooting ground.

aeropilot

34,913 posts

229 months

Tuesday 7th February 2023
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The Moose said:
aeropilot said:
See media are reporting "It is believed the couple were known to Surrey Police"

Which to me suggests maybe previous reported domestic situation.....or other reported incidences, if so, there will be questions about the recent renewal process in that case.
No mention of whether SGC or FAC though, not that it matters much, other than in yet another political situation, given Starmer is already trying to get more changes made as a result of the Plymouth incident.
Not known

Eta: likely FAL if they found a rifle?

Edited by The Moose on Tuesday 7th February 14:48
However........The Times are infering this....even such a withdrawn claim, would likely put a red flag on a SGC/FAC renewal at a later date. Given other reports even on this thread, I'm surprised the FEO wasn't on the doorstep taking the firearm away?



MKnight702

3,115 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th February 2023
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aeropilot said:
The Moose said:
aeropilot said:
See media are reporting "It is believed the couple were known to Surrey Police"

Which to me suggests maybe previous reported domestic situation.....or other reported incidences, if so, there will be questions about the recent renewal process in that case.
No mention of whether SGC or FAC though, not that it matters much, other than in yet another political situation, given Starmer is already trying to get more changes made as a result of the Plymouth incident.
Not known

Eta: likely FAL if they found a rifle?

Edited by The Moose on Tuesday 7th February 14:48
However........The Times are infering this....even such a withdrawn claim, would likely put a red flag on a SGC/FAC renewal at a later date. Given other reports even on this thread, I'm surprised the FEO wasn't on the doorstep taking the firearm away?


You just know that the Politicians will be using this tragedy to whip up public sentiment for yet more gun grabs, totally ignoring the fact that if existing powers had been applied correctly this would probably have been prevented. In exactly the same way Brake want speed limits lowered following a crash where drunk teenagers were speeding down a road somewhere, as though making the speed limit that the driver was ignoring lower would have changed anything.

smithyithy

7,278 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th February 2023
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Just back on the topic of cartridges and recoil etc. I noticed the Hull site is pretty good and has a comparison tool for their cartridges, so I entered the two that we've tried so far...


The Moose

22,906 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th February 2023
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I like that comparison - I just need to work out what it all means!!!

Old Fart

420 posts

228 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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If you are a fan of recoil shoot the Superfast, if you don't like recoil use the CompX.

Both will break clays wth no problem.

Coniston Cold shooting ground have banned Superfast cartridges due to the excessive noise created by them.

aeropilot

34,913 posts

229 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Old Fart said:
Coniston Cold shooting ground have banned Superfast cartridges due to the excessive noise created by them.
Wow....!

I don't think they are that much, if at all, louder than other types.


smithyithy

7,278 posts

120 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Lady's Wood have an 'approved list' too and it mostly excludes the high velocity types

smithyithy

7,278 posts

120 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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Visited Oakedge in Staffordshire yesterday for a shoot, excellent ground and facilities, we did well for a Friday as there weren't many there at all, we tried every stand / target at least a couple of times although some are tough! I really need to practice more distant targets as many at this ground ( and I imagine at other similar grounds) have a lot more distance on them than at my local ground, which tend to be closer but faster.

I think I'd like to get a some tuition / coaching going forward... Does anyone have any suggestions for the Midlands?

I've looked on the CPSA and ICSI sites and they both list instructors by location and their contact details.. Is it just a case of firing off some emails to see what they offer and how much they charge?

MB140

4,118 posts

105 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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Where about are you based and how far are you prepared to travel.

My local club/school Orston (Nottingham) has some very good coaches including a couple of ex world champions.
https://www.orston.com/shooting-lessons/


My wife has lessons with Cheryl Hall and has really improved my wife’s shooting both technically and mentally.
https://www.cherylhall.co.uk/

I’ve had lessons with Steve Brightwell (ex world champion).

smithyithy

7,278 posts

120 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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Cheers MB. I'm near Walsall, West Midlands, so about half an hour from a couple of decent size grounds - Oakedge and Lea Marston..

It looks like a few grounds offer lessons through their websites, then there's individual CPSA instructors who generally just have contact details and their teaching level or which disciplines they teach..

I don't mind travelling up to an hour or so if it's a fortnightly lesson for example, it's just knowing what to look for and typical pricing, I assume lessons with top tier shooters will mean premium prices which is completely understandable. I don't think my current skill level would warrant that just yet laugh

But I like the idea of the CPSA coaching as it seems like the instructors generally teach the same methods / techniques, so there's consistency between coaches..

MB140

4,118 posts

105 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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My Mrs pays £60 (I think) an hour for Cheryl Hall. Which if you look at her CV is very reasonable.

The thing my Mrs really likes about her is that it’s not just a physical technique teaching she does. A lot of what she teaches is mental and analytical.

It’s quite interesting I sat and had about 45mins conversation in the club house with Cheryl after my wife’s 2 hour lesson. Just a general chin wag over a brew. I’d have paid her just for that. She was explaining about how in her mind every single target is rated 1 to 4, depending upon distance, speed, target type, angle and a few other criteria. From this grading she effectively has her starting point for lead and where to kill the target. It was amazing to sit and listen to someone who shoots high 90s about how she mentally approaches every target.