The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
dom9 said:
I'm sure HR will come up with a stream - he never lets us down 
Sorry lads let the side down tonight 
Dom, can't believe you paid cash money for that fight, Jesus! That's fuel for the V8 that is!
...Actually didn't know there was a fight on and picked this one up in the 6th. Funnily enough it reminded me of Haye Valuev in a way, Fury spent the entire fight running away and I found the commentary laughable (paid by the promoter of Fury?) as they gave Parker almost no credit for his work or any shots he landed. Was quite satisfying when the scores came in anyway!
I understood the GGG Canelo comparison to be more about one fighter coming forward and one fighting off the back foot and how the judges saw that in the scoring. I'd wondered the same thing, earlier on.
Fury has some filling out to do but neither would have troubled Joshua, today, a fit Fury Snr and probably not a fit Haye.
They're young guys though and it wasn't a bad fight - just neither did 'enough' really, especially Fury, who I think thought he'd tire Parker out and out point him later on. He needs more power in that right and the confidence to throw it.
I don't think any of the other contenders will be losing much sleep and it makes me miss Tyson, in a way. This spaghetti arm, fast feet Fury thing seems to work and is an interesting antidote to flat-footed brawling - we're just not in a halcyon Era of heavyweights, sadly.
Fury has some filling out to do but neither would have troubled Joshua, today, a fit Fury Snr and probably not a fit Haye.
They're young guys though and it wasn't a bad fight - just neither did 'enough' really, especially Fury, who I think thought he'd tire Parker out and out point him later on. He needs more power in that right and the confidence to throw it.
I don't think any of the other contenders will be losing much sleep and it makes me miss Tyson, in a way. This spaghetti arm, fast feet Fury thing seems to work and is an interesting antidote to flat-footed brawling - we're just not in a halcyon Era of heavyweights, sadly.
tuscaneer said:
for me it's a 3 way fight between crawford,golovkin and lomachenko....im flip flopping between golovkin and crawford perhaps leaning towards crawford...but then you really have to consider the canelo draw as a win...and then I'm back to having golovkin on top....
if lomachenko beats rigondeaux in style then perhaps it's him??!!
I'd give it to Crawford since he has entirely dominated his division and become undisputed champ. Whichever way we cut it, GGG has had two incredibly close fights. Crawford has made it look easy.if lomachenko beats rigondeaux in style then perhaps it's him??!!
As for Loma, he could very easily be lb for lb in the future, but right now it's a bit early. He should steamroll through Rigo as he's the younger, bigger fighter. However, he has to take care of Tank, as well as the WBC and WBA champions. It wasn't that long ago that the WBO wasn't even recognised, sort of like what the IBO is today.
As for the Parker Fury fight, I'm yet to watch it...
I'm not going to question decisions, even though my scoring sometimes has the other person winning.
Some people had GGG winning, that's cool. Some people had Parker winning, that's cool. Some had Fury winning, that's cool, too. Ultimately, we've assigned judges this task and it leaves the outcome open to debate.
The thing is both GGG and Parker fought the same type of fight, but way more people are saying that GGG won and was robbed. There are way more people siding with Hughie Fury than Canelo. I just want to say that at some point, clean shots needs to score better than aggression. When Calzaghe beat Bika, not many people complained, yet it was Bika beating on Calzaghe and pressuring him for most of the fight. I also recall immediately after the Mayweather - De la Hoya fight, a bunch of casual fans were bitterly complaining the decision.
I'd also like to add that compubox stats are incredibly unreliable. In the GGG - Canelo fight, supposedly GGG punched Canelo 218 times, 110 of those being power punches. Well, either GGG isn't nearly the monster puncher everyone makes him out to be, Canelo has skin made of elephant hide or most of the punches were slipped, parried or blocked because all Canelo had was a slight blemish. A SLIGHT BLEMISH AFTER 110 OF GGG'S POWER PUNCHES.
It just looks like tribal fanboyism runs rampant in this sport.
Some people had GGG winning, that's cool. Some people had Parker winning, that's cool. Some had Fury winning, that's cool, too. Ultimately, we've assigned judges this task and it leaves the outcome open to debate.
The thing is both GGG and Parker fought the same type of fight, but way more people are saying that GGG won and was robbed. There are way more people siding with Hughie Fury than Canelo. I just want to say that at some point, clean shots needs to score better than aggression. When Calzaghe beat Bika, not many people complained, yet it was Bika beating on Calzaghe and pressuring him for most of the fight. I also recall immediately after the Mayweather - De la Hoya fight, a bunch of casual fans were bitterly complaining the decision.
I'd also like to add that compubox stats are incredibly unreliable. In the GGG - Canelo fight, supposedly GGG punched Canelo 218 times, 110 of those being power punches. Well, either GGG isn't nearly the monster puncher everyone makes him out to be, Canelo has skin made of elephant hide or most of the punches were slipped, parried or blocked because all Canelo had was a slight blemish. A SLIGHT BLEMISH AFTER 110 OF GGG'S POWER PUNCHES.
It just looks like tribal fanboyism runs rampant in this sport.
Watching the post interviews with the Fury camp is providing breakfast amusement.
Dad Fury is playing the race card and can't understand how Manchester can do this to the Fury family.
Fat Mick is frothing at the mouth claiming amongst things that Terry O'Connor bottled it.
Dad Fury is playing the race card and can't understand how Manchester can do this to the Fury family.
Fat Mick is frothing at the mouth claiming amongst things that Terry O'Connor bottled it.
Edited by MonkeyBusiness on Sunday 24th September 08:43
Who cares about the B list horror show? there was only one big fight last night and that was Campbell vs Linares.
Very good fight and Luke did well after weathering that storm in the first 3 rounds. I had Linares by 2 rounds but it could have been so different if Luke hadn't been so careless in that second round.
Campbell should kick on from here. Hopefully he will realise now that he can stand toe to toe with one of the best in the business at times look the slicker more well rounded operator.
Very good fight and Luke did well after weathering that storm in the first 3 rounds. I had Linares by 2 rounds but it could have been so different if Luke hadn't been so careless in that second round.
Campbell should kick on from here. Hopefully he will realise now that he can stand toe to toe with one of the best in the business at times look the slicker more well rounded operator.
MonkeyBusiness said:
Watching the post interviews with the Fury camp is providing breakfast amusement.
Dad Fury is playing the race card and can't understand how Manchester can do this to the Fury family.
Fat Mick is frothing at the mouth claiming amongst things that Terry O'Connor bottled it.
Dad Fury is playing the race card and can't understand how Manchester can do this to the Fury family.
Fat Mick is frothing at the mouth claiming amongst things that Terry O'Connor bottled it.
Edited by MonkeyBusiness on Sunday 24th September 08:43
Mannerman said:
I'm not going to question decisions, even though my scoring sometimes has the other person winning.
Some people had GGG winning, that's cool. Some people had Parker winning, that's cool. Some had Fury winning, that's cool, too. Ultimately, we've assigned judges this task and it leaves the outcome open to debate.
The thing is both GGG and Parker fought the same type of fight, but way more people are saying that GGG won and was robbed. There are way more people siding with Hughie Fury than Canelo. I just want to say that at some point, clean shots needs to score better than aggression. When Calzaghe beat Bika, not many people complained, yet it was Bika beating on Calzaghe and pressuring him for most of the fight. I also recall immediately after the Mayweather - De la Hoya fight, a bunch of casual fans were bitterly complaining the decision.
I'd also like to add that compubox stats are incredibly unreliable. In the GGG - Canelo fight, supposedly GGG punched Canelo 218 times, 110 of those being power punches. Well, either GGG isn't nearly the monster puncher everyone makes him out to be, Canelo has skin made of elephant hide or most of the punches were slipped, parried or blocked because all Canelo had was a slight blemish. A SLIGHT BLEMISH AFTER 110 OF GGG'S POWER PUNCHES.
It just looks like tribal fanboyism runs rampant in this sport.
fury lost to parker because he back peddaled and was half heattedly flicking the odd "keep away" jab....parker wasn't great either but clearly won that fight.Some people had GGG winning, that's cool. Some people had Parker winning, that's cool. Some had Fury winning, that's cool, too. Ultimately, we've assigned judges this task and it leaves the outcome open to debate.
The thing is both GGG and Parker fought the same type of fight, but way more people are saying that GGG won and was robbed. There are way more people siding with Hughie Fury than Canelo. I just want to say that at some point, clean shots needs to score better than aggression. When Calzaghe beat Bika, not many people complained, yet it was Bika beating on Calzaghe and pressuring him for most of the fight. I also recall immediately after the Mayweather - De la Hoya fight, a bunch of casual fans were bitterly complaining the decision.
I'd also like to add that compubox stats are incredibly unreliable. In the GGG - Canelo fight, supposedly GGG punched Canelo 218 times, 110 of those being power punches. Well, either GGG isn't nearly the monster puncher everyone makes him out to be, Canelo has skin made of elephant hide or most of the punches were slipped, parried or blocked because all Canelo had was a slight blemish. A SLIGHT BLEMISH AFTER 110 OF GGG'S POWER PUNCHES.
It just looks like tribal fanboyism runs rampant in this sport.
to compare parker and golovkin as fighting a similar fight is just nonsense. pure nonsense.
have i seriously just read that you had bika "beating on" calzaghe!!!???.....lad youre getting worse not better....i remember bika being a desperate dirty b
d all night using head and elbow with gusto coupled eith a sprinkling of low blows...calzaghe countered well off both front and back foot using angles on tbe inside to clearly outpoint bika for the entire fight.to compare bika's performance to govkins is insanity.
i don't know about fanboy attitude in this thread as 99% of people post without adgenda....you're the 1% pal.
sorry but yet again you have posted utter s
te in relation to this sport....Mannerman said:
tuscaneer said:
for me it's a 3 way fight between crawford,golovkin and lomachenko....im flip flopping between golovkin and crawford perhaps leaning towards crawford...but then you really have to consider the canelo draw as a win...and then I'm back to having golovkin on top....
if lomachenko beats rigondeaux in style then perhaps it's him??!!
I'd give it to Crawford since he has entirely dominated his division and become undisputed champ. Whichever way we cut it, GGG has had two incredibly close fights. Crawford has made it look easy.if lomachenko beats rigondeaux in style then perhaps it's him??!!
As for Loma, he could very easily be lb for lb in the future, but right now it's a bit early. He should steamroll through Rigo as he's the younger, bigger fighter. However, he has to take care of Tank, as well as the WBC and WBA champions. It wasn't that long ago that the WBO wasn't even recognised, sort of like what the IBO is today.
As for the Parker Fury fight, I'm yet to watch it...
crawford has made 5 defences at this weight and 3 back down at lightweight.
golovkin has made 20....
mayweather won't let tank anywhere near loma and i think you know that...loma all wrong for him....
I'll give you some time to consult wikipedia and youtube....
tuscaneer said:
fury lost to parker because he back peddaled and was half heattedly flicking the odd "keep away" jab....parker wasn't great either but clearly won that fight.
to compare parker and golovkin as fighting a similar fight is just nonsense. pure nonsense.
have i seriously just read that you had bika "beating on" calzaghe!!!???.....lad youre getting worse not better....i remember bika being a desperate dirty bd all night using head and elbow with gusto coupled eith a sprinkling of low blows...calzaghe countered well off both front and back foot using angles on tbe inside to clearly outpoint bika for the entire fight.
to compare bika's performance to govkins is insanity.
i don't know about fanboy attitude in this thread as 99% of people post without adgenda....you're the 1% pal.
sorry but yet again you have posted utter ste in relation to this sport....
Yeah, you did read that right; Bika was beating up Calzaghe. He was being out-landed, sure, but the damage was one way. Calzaghe was even complaining to the ref. You wouldn't catch someone like Hatton doing that.to compare parker and golovkin as fighting a similar fight is just nonsense. pure nonsense.
have i seriously just read that you had bika "beating on" calzaghe!!!???.....lad youre getting worse not better....i remember bika being a desperate dirty b
d all night using head and elbow with gusto coupled eith a sprinkling of low blows...calzaghe countered well off both front and back foot using angles on tbe inside to clearly outpoint bika for the entire fight.to compare bika's performance to govkins is insanity.
i don't know about fanboy attitude in this thread as 99% of people post without adgenda....you're the 1% pal.
sorry but yet again you have posted utter s
te in relation to this sport....My point is this; it doesn't matter if you're being aggressive; if you can't land clean, you should lose the round. I don't know why you have such an issue with that.
As for this "agenda" you speak of...firstly, what agenda? Secondly, unless you start providing evidence, it's all conjecture and hogwash.
tuscaneer said:
if dominating your division is primary criteria surely golovkin is your top pick?
crawford has made 5 defences at this weight and 3 back down at lightweight.
golovkin has made 20....
mayweather won't let tank anywhere near loma and i think you know that...loma all wrong for him....
I'll give you some time to consult wikipedia and youtube....
GGG drew his last fight and won a very narrow decision in the fight before. Crawford has been way more dominant.crawford has made 5 defences at this weight and 3 back down at lightweight.
golovkin has made 20....
mayweather won't let tank anywhere near loma and i think you know that...loma all wrong for him....
I'll give you some time to consult wikipedia and youtube....
Besides, it can't be Loma, he has Salido problems.
Mannerman said:
Yeah, you did read that right; Bika was beating up Calzaghe. He was being out-landed, sure, but the damage was one way. Calzaghe was even complaining to the ref. You wouldn't catch someone like Hatton doing that.
My point is this; it doesn't matter if you're being aggressive; if you can't land clean, you should lose the round. I don't know why you have such an issue with that.
As for this "agenda" you speak of...firstly, what agenda? Secondly, unless you start providing evidence, it's all conjecture and hogwash.
if you think bika was beating up calzaghe you are delusional.or biased to the point it blinds you to what is right in front of your eyes...that agenda.... ineffectual dirty tactics from bika are not the same as what we witnessed from golovkin last week .My point is this; it doesn't matter if you're being aggressive; if you can't land clean, you should lose the round. I don't know why you have such an issue with that.
As for this "agenda" you speak of...firstly, what agenda? Secondly, unless you start providing evidence, it's all conjecture and hogwash.
landing with your forehead like a billy goat every time you get in close doesn't count you know. golovkin connecting while canelo went into retreat mode for 150 seconds of every round does.
i'm done talking about that fight now..i will not respond any more because there is genuinely no point in arguing the toss with someone who refuses to acknowledge what the rest of the entire world saw.
Mannerman said:
tuscaneer said:
if dominating your division is primary criteria surely golovkin is your top pick?
crawford has made 5 defences at this weight and 3 back down at lightweight.
golovkin has made 20....
mayweather won't let tank anywhere near loma and i think you know that...loma all wrong for him....
I'll give you some time to consult wikipedia and youtube....
GGG drew his last fight and won a very narrow decision in the fight before. Crawford has been way more dominant.crawford has made 5 defences at this weight and 3 back down at lightweight.
golovkin has made 20....
mayweather won't let tank anywhere near loma and i think you know that...loma all wrong for him....
I'll give you some time to consult wikipedia and youtube....
Besides, it can't be Loma, he has Salido problems.
i'm just pointing out to you that by your method surely golovkin is your #1??.....
p4p lists aren't that simple and are very much down to individual opinions....for me, the way crawford arrived on the scene by outclassing ricky burns then seemingly getting better with each fight coupled with going up in weight and beating some great fighters like postol put him right up there......but he will be a lot firmer a lock for me if he continues his run for another dozen or so fights unbeaten.....
loma rates so highly for me due to his utter domination of his opponents....the walters win for me was astonishing as i really saw something very special in walters after what he did to the flash.....perhaps i shouldn't be considering his amateur career in my reasoning but i can't help it. same with rigo...his amateur credentials must be in the back of my mind when rating his p4p top 5 status for me.
it can't be loma because of his salido problems??...adjusting from 3 to 12 rounds was loma's only problem in that fight. it's curious that salido turned down a 5x career high purse for the rematch isn't it??.....rahman and mccall beat lennox in off nights for him...does that make them better fighters than lewis?..no......do those losses put him any further down the atg lists ??....yes, to an extent but the those 2 had the balls to rematch him where salido won't...lennox righted the wrongs....salido won't allowloma to do the same....
272BHP said:
Who cares about the B list horror show? there was only one big fight last night and that was Campbell vs Linares.
Very good fight and Luke did well after weathering that storm in the first 3 rounds. I had Linares by 2 rounds but it could have been so different if Luke hadn't been so careless in that second round.
Campbell should kick on from here. Hopefully he will realise now that he can stand toe to toe with one of the best in the business at times look the slicker more well rounded operator.
campbell did great you know...and those back hand punches to the stomach were registering on linares's face every time he landed them....it was definately a close fight with luke coming on better after those first few rounds...but the right man won most definitely.Very good fight and Luke did well after weathering that storm in the first 3 rounds. I had Linares by 2 rounds but it could have been so different if Luke hadn't been so careless in that second round.
Campbell should kick on from here. Hopefully he will realise now that he can stand toe to toe with one of the best in the business at times look the slicker more well rounded operator.
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