The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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I found the Matchroom card last night very irritating - the refereeing was clearly not neutral.
In the Buatsi fight, which was the main support, they had brought in an out of shape Quinlan, who usually is a super middleweight, but they gave him 2 weeks notice to fight at light heavy. No doubt Quinlan needed the money so he accepted the fight, but that was poor match making for a main support.
Then in the fight Buatsi knocks him down after the ref has called stop boxing command, so this was a serious foul. Quinlan was clearly in no position to continue, but nothing was said to Buatsi and no time was given to Quinlan to recover properly. And so he suffers another heavy knock down a few seconds later. Hardly anything was mentioned in the commentary. Just not a fair sporting contest.
Then in the Chisora fight, the ref clearly wanted to make sure Whyte was going to win if it went to the scorecards, so he deducts two points during the course of the fight. The second point deduction was extremely harsh and ruined the fight as from that point Chisora felt he couldn't win on points and so had to change tactics which resulted in him being knocked out.
In the Buatsi fight, which was the main support, they had brought in an out of shape Quinlan, who usually is a super middleweight, but they gave him 2 weeks notice to fight at light heavy. No doubt Quinlan needed the money so he accepted the fight, but that was poor match making for a main support.
Then in the fight Buatsi knocks him down after the ref has called stop boxing command, so this was a serious foul. Quinlan was clearly in no position to continue, but nothing was said to Buatsi and no time was given to Quinlan to recover properly. And so he suffers another heavy knock down a few seconds later. Hardly anything was mentioned in the commentary. Just not a fair sporting contest.
Then in the Chisora fight, the ref clearly wanted to make sure Whyte was going to win if it went to the scorecards, so he deducts two points during the course of the fight. The second point deduction was extremely harsh and ruined the fight as from that point Chisora felt he couldn't win on points and so had to change tactics which resulted in him being knocked out.
EddieSteadyGo said:
I found the Matchroom card last night very irritating - the refereeing was clearly not neutral.
I was going to post something similar. Especially in the Chisora fight, the ref had been told who needed to win. A lot of the times he warned Chisora about the head, Whyte had his arm wrapped around pulling his head down. EddieSteadyGo said:
Then in the Chisora fight, the ref clearly wanted to make sure Whyte was going to win if it went to the scorecards, so he deducts two points during the course of the fight. The second point deduction was extremely harsh and ruined the fight as from that point Chisora felt he couldn't win on points and so had to change tactics which resulted in him being knocked out.
What? This isn't Muay Thai, that was a deliberate elbow to the head. He was lucky not to get deductions for the two elbows he threw prior to that,snake_oil said:
I mean, don't get me wrong I'm interested in this fight, but £20 PPV?! f
k off Eddie.
I agree, I have Sky Sports and hoped that this would've been a non SBO fight.k off Eddie.I remember quite happily paying to watch Tyson, Bruno, Lewis, Holyfield etc.but it does seem like the quality has gone down to still fork out for Box Office.
Merc 450 said:
Mojooo said:
I think the fans want Fury/Wilder first before either of them fight Joshua.
I think Joshua realised that after the Fury/Wilder fight.
Exactly the WBC have said Fury must have a rematch, then the winner can fight/beat JoshuaI think Joshua realised that after the Fury/Wilder fight.
I see the Charlo brothers had an eventful night.
Jarmells interview after the fight is worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/Nq7wzBOAMtA
Jarmells interview after the fight is worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/Nq7wzBOAMtA
EddieSteadyGo said:
I found the Matchroom card last night very irritating - the refereeing was clearly not neutral.
In the Buatsi fight, which was the main support, they had brought in an out of shape Quinlan, who usually is a super middleweight, but they gave him 2 weeks notice to fight at light heavy. No doubt Quinlan needed the money so he accepted the fight, but that was poor match making for a main support.
Then in the fight Buatsi knocks him down after the ref has called stop boxing command, so this was a serious foul. Quinlan was clearly in no position to continue, but nothing was said to Buatsi and no time was given to Quinlan to recover properly. And so he suffers another heavy knock down a few seconds later. Hardly anything was mentioned in the commentary. Just not a fair sporting contest.
Then in the Chisora fight, the ref clearly wanted to make sure Whyte was going to win if it went to the scorecards, so he deducts two points during the course of the fight. The second point deduction was extremely harsh and ruined the fight as from that point Chisora felt he couldn't win on points and so had to change tactics which resulted in him being knocked out.
The amount of Lee-way matchroom prospects are given is unbelievable there was a card earlier in the year where pretty much everyone of their prospects was guilty of hitting on the break or a downed opponent and nothing was said and on a small hall show or a more neutral event they would have been disqualified. In the Buatsi fight, which was the main support, they had brought in an out of shape Quinlan, who usually is a super middleweight, but they gave him 2 weeks notice to fight at light heavy. No doubt Quinlan needed the money so he accepted the fight, but that was poor match making for a main support.
Then in the fight Buatsi knocks him down after the ref has called stop boxing command, so this was a serious foul. Quinlan was clearly in no position to continue, but nothing was said to Buatsi and no time was given to Quinlan to recover properly. And so he suffers another heavy knock down a few seconds later. Hardly anything was mentioned in the commentary. Just not a fair sporting contest.
Then in the Chisora fight, the ref clearly wanted to make sure Whyte was going to win if it went to the scorecards, so he deducts two points during the course of the fight. The second point deduction was extremely harsh and ruined the fight as from that point Chisora felt he couldn't win on points and so had to change tactics which resulted in him being knocked out.
The likes of buatsi, cordina, Okolie, Fowler etc have all been well guilty of it.
Davos123 said:
Can't see Joshua taking Whyte if he can avoid it. Probably has nearly as much of a shot as Wilder without nearly as much of the upside for Joshua.
Put up or shut up time for Joshua now, though. There are 4 good candidates for a fight with him in Whyte, Miller, Fury and Wilder. He has to take one of the last 2 really but if he doesn't take any as his next fight he's gonna start to look like a fraud
Put up or shut up time for Joshua now, though. There are 4 good candidates for a fight with him in Whyte, Miller, Fury and Wilder. He has to take one of the last 2 really but if he doesn't take any as his next fight he's gonna start to look like a fraud
Davos123 said:
Amirhussain said:
Joshua not mentioning Fury 
st-scared of him. If he fights and beats Wilder I'd bet good money he doesn't take Fury after It was over 3 years ago but Joshua already soundly beat Whyte. We can all agree that Whyte has improved massively but so long as Joshua doesn't chase the fight and works off the jab, he'll beat Whyte again. That counter left hook of Whyte's really is a thing of beauty and he has knocked out some iron chinned fighters and put Parker on his backside with it. But, they were all pushing the fight and all walked straight onto it.
As I'm sure that even the most casual of boxing fans would have known, Fury and Wilder fought to a controversial draw at the beginning of the month in a fight that 99% of the public felt that Fury won. It'll be of no surprise to many that they'll be having an immediate rematch despite the fact that Fury could legitimately walk away claiming he'd won. That rules out both Wilder and Fury being in the mix unless both camps can come to an agreeable purse split with Hearn.
The 3 top dogs in the division are Wilder, Fury and Joshua. Miler hasn't fought a live body and being completely honest is nothing short of a fat slob. He's name is only being touted because he keeps running his mouth. If any of the top 3 fight him he'll get soundly beaten and if it's at the hands of Fury, Joshua or Whyte it will only help their popularity grow in the U.S.
To suggest Joshua is scared to fight these guys is laughable. He holds 3 of the 4 major belts and has pretty much fought a who's who in the division. Yes, Wilder might knock him out but that's really a case of whoever lands first will be the winner. Yes, Fury might soundly outbox him but if Joshua catches him he won't be letting him off the hook (let's not forget the sparring stories that came from Fury's mouth about their session either). Yes, Whyte might knock him out but can any of us really see a different outcome unless Joshua fights a stupid fight?
Robatr0n said:
That's a bit of a stretch on both counts.
It was over 3 years ago but Joshua already soundly beat Whyte. We can all agree that Whyte has improved massively but so long as Joshua doesn't chase the fight and works off the jab, he'll beat Whyte again. That counter left hook of Whyte's really is a thing of beauty and he has knocked out some iron chinned fighters and put Parker on his backside with it. But, they were all pushing the fight and all walked straight onto it.
I agree - by far the most likely outcome is an AJ win and I don't think AJ will be particularly worried about losing to him or scared of taking the fight, I just don't think he'll have much interest in it. I don't think Wilder's particularly more likely to beat AJ (I'd actually really like to see Whyte vs Wilder at some point) but he does come with a much bigger purse. I think AJ will be singularly focussed on making that fight happen.It was over 3 years ago but Joshua already soundly beat Whyte. We can all agree that Whyte has improved massively but so long as Joshua doesn't chase the fight and works off the jab, he'll beat Whyte again. That counter left hook of Whyte's really is a thing of beauty and he has knocked out some iron chinned fighters and put Parker on his backside with it. But, they were all pushing the fight and all walked straight onto it.
Robatr0n said:
As I'm sure that even the most casual of boxing fans would have known, Fury and Wilder fought to a controversial draw at the beginning of the month in a fight that 99% of the public felt that Fury won. It'll be of no surprise to many that they'll be having an immediate rematch despite the fact that Fury could legitimately walk away claiming he'd won. That rules out both Wilder and Fury being in the mix unless both camps can come to an agreeable purse split with Hearn.
Yes, I'm aware they fought, I was in LA for it... They may well not have an immediate rematch though, nothing's set in stone and with AJ having Wembley booked I see a unification bout as being just as likely to happen first. Wilder will feel he's done enough to get that fight with a good purse split and knows if he fights Fury again, he'll likely lose and be further away from a huge payday with Joshua so I think he'll be motivated to take it now.Robatr0n said:
To suggest Joshua is scared to fight these guys is laughable. He holds 3 of the 4 major belts and has pretty much fought a who's who in the division. Yes, Wilder might knock him out but that's really a case of whoever lands first will be the winner. Yes, Fury might soundly outbox him but if Joshua catches him he won't be letting him off the hook (let's not forget the sparring stories that came from Fury's mouth about their session either). Yes, Whyte might knock him out but can any of us really see a different outcome unless Joshua fights a stupid fight?
I think he's scared of fighting Fury, nobody else. Fury is an unknown quantity for him and has the ability to soundly beat him. Why bother taking that fight when you can sell out Wembley fighting inferior fighters and make hay while the sun shines?I would love to see Wilder vs Whyte and Dillian has been the number 1 ranked fighter for the WBC belt for a considerable amount of time. That would be a great fight where both fighters will pose a great threat to each other. I'd love to see Whyte topple him.
L.A. is somewhere I'd never consider travelling to for boxing purely because Vegas and NY has a better appeal. What was it like? I think Fury gets much fitter, loses the spare tyre around his waist and completely dominates Wilder.
I do agree on your point that Fury is the most likely to beat Joshua but I don't think Joshua is smart enough to see that. I've always said that Wilder will throw his hands regardless of whether his opponent is in range whereas Joshua is much more similar to Klitschko. Both very accurate fighters but won't throw unless they know their shots will land. Look at how that worked out for Wlad in his fight with Fury... I would love to see Joshua work with Roach to make him an offensive beast but that's less likely than ever now Roach has a tie in with Fury.
L.A. is somewhere I'd never consider travelling to for boxing purely because Vegas and NY has a better appeal. What was it like? I think Fury gets much fitter, loses the spare tyre around his waist and completely dominates Wilder.
I do agree on your point that Fury is the most likely to beat Joshua but I don't think Joshua is smart enough to see that. I've always said that Wilder will throw his hands regardless of whether his opponent is in range whereas Joshua is much more similar to Klitschko. Both very accurate fighters but won't throw unless they know their shots will land. Look at how that worked out for Wlad in his fight with Fury... I would love to see Joshua work with Roach to make him an offensive beast but that's less likely than ever now Roach has a tie in with Fury.
AJ's bigger problem is the USA. Reports said barely anyone watching his last fight there on DAZN, hence why DAZN changed strategy and took on Golden Boy as a second promoter and turned to Canelo.
Whyte isn't the name to help AJ there, even though it maybe a lively fight.
Matchroom are desperate to sign up Wilder early, as they need to promote the hell out of it stateside to get AJ established there.
Whyte isn't the name to help AJ there, even though it maybe a lively fight.
Matchroom are desperate to sign up Wilder early, as they need to promote the hell out of it stateside to get AJ established there.
Take your pick
https://youtu.be/WmcH6uK8GDI
I love a one hitter quitter but a body shot KO can be beautiful to watch too.
https://youtu.be/WmcH6uK8GDI
I love a one hitter quitter but a body shot KO can be beautiful to watch too.
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