The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)

[Honourable Dead Snark]

fridaypassion said:

He was open mouthed when I said I thought Fury was one of the worst Heavyweights of this era they just can't compute. AJ has certainly exposed Fury there.

AJ has now almost run out of people to fight though! There's only really Fury left which does make me wonder if the Usyk fight will fall away. I really don't think Fury is going to come through 2 Usyk fights and still have anything left to give.

No wonder he was open mouthed. That is objectively wrong.

AJ will never “expose” Fury until he actually fights him and beats him which I do think Fury is deathly frightened of.

As for AJ, would still want to see him fight Wilder, and Zhang I think could be an interesting match up if Zhang can muster up more than a couple of punches a round.

[carlo996]

That’s the rub. It all depends on who turns up on the night. Fury looked in good nick last night, if he wants it the AJ fight is always there, it’ll be huge money. AJ didn’t land that shot on Usyk. NG reminded me of the McGregor fight, open guard and flinching at AJ’s movements. Didn’t he switch to southpaw and literally set AJ up?

Was thinking the biggest loser in all of this is Joyce. Seems like a long time ago he was considered the biggest outside threat.

What’s an amusing though is both the slimey promoters now literally fawning over the Saudi’s. Nothing like having principles

[biggbn]

jasonrobertson86 said:

biggbn said:

Sorry man but that's total bks

you think the draw was correct too?

Nope, I thought Ngannou edged that fight, said so on here. I'm a massive fan of Fury but he did the exact opposite of AJ, he took Francis lightly, didn't train properly and thought he could walk through his opponent. AJ showed Francis respect, his fans respect and the sport respect by training and investing himself into this fight. He did exactly what he should have done to a big, limited, raw novice, but he didn't take it for granted that he would...he has been a consumate professional. For me, fixed fights, poor judges etc all exist, I'm 55 and been a boxing fan all of my life, of course they do. But you don't throw a fight by offering your chin to a puncher like AJ. Francis was reacting to every feint like the amateur he is, if you know watching you will see this. AJ must have been metaphorically rubbing his hands together with glee when he realised what an easy target he was, yet he STILL showed utmost respect as he knows FN can bang. As grotesque as this may sound, AJ could have boxed his way to an easy victory last night, the physical and mental shape he was in, but he chose to clinically dispatch a man nowhere near his league. That's spite. That's badness. This is the hurt game and AJ's psyche is back.

In my opinion he won't, can't do that to the likes of Usyk or Fury because styles make fights and their reactions and skill set are much, much different than FN. I do now think AJ knocks out Wilder, whom I have consistently felt was all wrong for him, if he keeps this strong, clinical mindset. A dangerous man and a consumate pro...and one who I give a much bigger chance of beating today's Fury than I ever have.

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 9th March 12:16

[jasonrobertson86]

biggbn said:

Nope, I thought Ngannou edged that fight, said so on here. I'm a massive fan of Fury but he did the exact opposite of AJ, he took Francis lightly, didn't train properly and thought he could walk through his opponent. AJ showed Francis respect, his fans respect and the sport respect by training and investing himself into this fight. He did exactly what he should have done to a big, limited, raw novice, but he didn't take it for granted that he would...he has been a consumate professional. For me, fixed fights, poor judges etc all exist, I'm 55 and been a boxing fan all of my life, of course they do. But you don't throw a fight by offering your chin to a puncher like AJ. Francis was reacting to every feint like the amateur he is, if you know watching you will see this. AJ must have been metaphorically rubbing his hands together with glee when he realised what an easy target he was, yet he STILL showed utmost respect as he knows FN can bang. As grotesque as this may sound, AJ could have boxed his way to an easy victory last night, the physical and mental shape he was in, but he chose to clinically dispatch a man nowhere near his league. That's spite. That's badness. This is the hurt game and AJ's psyche is back.

In my opinion he won't, can't do that to the likes of Usyk or Fury because styles make fights and their reactions and skill set are much, much different than FN. I do now think AJ knocks out Wilder, whom I have consistently felt was all wrong for him, if he keeps this strong, clinical mindset. A dangerous man and a consumate pro.

No, last night, there was an extremely questionable draw, two fights before the main event.

[biggbn]

jasonrobertson86 said:

biggbn said:

Nope, I thought Ngannou edged that fight, said so on here. I'm a massive fan of Fury but he did the exact opposite of AJ, he took Francis lightly, didn't train properly and thought he could walk through his opponent. AJ showed Francis respect, his fans respect and the sport respect by training and investing himself into this fight. He did exactly what he should have done to a big, limited, raw novice, but he didn't take it for granted that he would...he has been a consumate professional. For me, fixed fights, poor judges etc all exist, I'm 55 and been a boxing fan all of my life, of course they do. But you don't throw a fight by offering your chin to a puncher like AJ. Francis was reacting to every feint like the amateur he is, if you know watching you will see this. AJ must have been metaphorically rubbing his hands together with glee when he realised what an easy target he was, yet he STILL showed utmost respect as he knows FN can bang. As grotesque as this may sound, AJ could have boxed his way to an easy victory last night, the physical and mental shape he was in, but he chose to clinically dispatch a man nowhere near his league. That's spite. That's badness. This is the hurt game and AJ's psyche is back.

In my opinion he won't, can't do that to the likes of Usyk or Fury because styles make fights and their reactions and skill set are much, much different than FN. I do now think AJ knocks out Wilder, whom I have consistently felt was all wrong for him, if he keeps this strong, clinical mindset. A dangerous man and a consumate pro.

No, last night, there was an extremely questionable draw, two fights before the main event.

The Ball fight? Simply a poor decision, and perhaps not even that controversial. Ball gave away the first half of the fight, his first knockdown was questionable and he left it in the judges hands. I remember thinking he had to win the last round to win it, and he did, but that makes it a close fight, not a robbery like Caterral v Taylor for instance

I thought the Parker fight was much clearer. He was down twice but won almost everything else other than those two rounds.

[Amirhussain]

That was a brutal KO from AJ. Hope Francis is okay!

[EddieSteadyGo]

Good clip of the knockout....

https://twitter.com/BenDavison_/status/17664038599...

[flatlandsman]

There was nothing on the Ngannou fight for Fury so he wobbled through it, he only really picks his game for big fights..}

He is scared witless of Usyk, you can see it in his reactions the way he is trying to get in his head and goad with pathetic weak insults he reverts to Dad mode and you see the inner moron come out, he has no idea how to beat him without the big heavy bullock stuff he used on Wilder.

He knows Usyk is quicker, more likely to stay the distance and will outpoint him.

That is the guy he is scared witless of, you can see it in his reactions in press etc, he is the only guy with anything to see and he tried endlessly to get a reaction from Usky who knows exactly how the get at him which is to do nothing.

All Aj did last night was treat an amateur basically as a proper fight, and made him look utterly inept and out of his depth. the Fury version was like a Toutuber fight, not really real.

[Unreal]

The downside of crossover fights like these is that it brings out all the opinions from people who are clueless about boxing but feel the need to post their tripe in boxing forums. Hopefully they'll melt away once we get back to boxers fighting boxers.

Despite Fury's poor performance in the first Ngannou fight, and the latter's record in MMA, neither fight should have been sanctioned. Ngannou could quite easily have been killed by that final punch last night.

[jasonrobertson86]

Unreal said:

The downside of crossover fights like these is that it brings out all the opinions from people who are clueless about boxing but feel the need to post their tripe in boxing forums. Hopefully they'll melt away once we get back to boxers fighting boxers.

Despite Fury's poor performance in the first Ngannou fight, and the latter's record in MMA, neither fight should have been sanctioned. Ngannou could quite easily have been killed by that final punch last night.

ok karen

[lord trumpton]

For me, the best fight of the night to watch was the Ball - Vargas fight. Really good to watch how each others styles evolved over the fight.

Ball won it cleanly for me

[carlo996]

lord trumpton said:

For me, the best fight of the night to watch was the Ball - Vargas fight. Really good to watch how each others styles evolved over the fight.

Ball won it cleanly for me

Deffo. He was mega, was wondering why he didn’t go to the body more, but clearly I was watching a crossover fight so don’t know anything

[EddieSteadyGo]

Unreal said:

The downside of crossover fights like these is that it brings out all the opinions from people who are clueless about boxing but feel the need to post their tripe in boxing forums. Hopefully they'll melt away once we get back to boxers fighting boxers.
...

Don't agree. More eyes on the sport is a good thing. And even the greatest expert will have started as a novice, so all opinions are valid, even if they might not be correct.

[biggbn]

lord trumpton said:

For me, the best fight of the night to watch was the Ball - Vargas fight. Really good to watch how each others styles evolved over the fight.

Ball won it cleanly for me

I'm gonna watch thst one back because I had it really close. Thought Ball had to win last round to win, but also one of his knockdown was dubious. Not a robbery for me, just perhaps a poor decision. Ball did nothing for the first half!!

[Unreal]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Unreal said:

The downside of crossover fights like these is that it brings out all the opinions from people who are clueless about boxing but feel the need to post their tripe in boxing forums. Hopefully they'll melt away once we get back to boxers fighting boxers.
...

Don't agree. More eyes on the sport is a good thing. And even the greatest expert will have started as a novice, so all opinions are valid, even if they might not be correct.

I think there are better ways to publicise the sport without corrupting or diluting it. My greatest objection is that there are numerous boxers who are kept waiting for their shot, despite being ranked in the top ten for years. It is nothing less than insulting to those fighters to have a novice parachuted in.

[philv]

I thought he needed a good last round.
But it didn't happen.

[epom]

Unreal said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Unreal said:

The downside of crossover fights like these is that it brings out all the opinions from people who are clueless about boxing but feel the need to post their tripe in boxing forums. Hopefully they'll melt away once we get back to boxers fighting boxers.
...

Don't agree. More eyes on the sport is a good thing. And even the greatest expert will have started as a novice, so all opinions are valid, even if they might not be correct.

I think there are better ways to publicise the sport without corrupting or diluting it. My greatest objection is that there are numerous boxers who are kept waiting for their shot, despite being ranked in the top ten for years. It is nothing less than insulting to those fighters to have a novice parachuted in.

Yep, how about boxing makes its best guys fight the other best guys. Would see an immediate spike in interest. Hardly rocket surgery

[Unreal]

biggbn said:

lord trumpton said:

For me, the best fight of the night to watch was the Ball - Vargas fight. Really good to watch how each others styles evolved over the fight.

Ball won it cleanly for me

I'm gonna watch thst one back because I had it really close. Thought Ball had to win last round to win, but also one of his knockdown was dubious. Not a robbery for me, just perhaps a poor decision. Ball did nothing for the first half!!

I agreed with the commentary that Ball lost the first six rounds. If he won the next six then on the basis of two 10-8 rounds he should have won it. Have the score cards been published? Surely a knockdown round has to be scored 10-8 if the ref calls it, dubious or not.

[biggbn]

Unreal said:

biggbn said:

lord trumpton said:

For me, the best fight of the night to watch was the Ball - Vargas fight. Really good to watch how each others styles evolved over the fight.

Ball won it cleanly for me

I'm gonna watch thst one back because I had it really close. Thought Ball had to win last round to win, but also one of his knockdown was dubious. Not a robbery for me, just perhaps a poor decision. Ball did nothing for the first half!!

I agreed with the commentary that Ball lost the first six rounds. If he won the next six then on the basis of two 10-8 rounds he should have won it. Have the score cards been published? Surely a knockdown round has to be scored 10-8 if the ref calls it, dubious or not.

Like I said, I'll wanna rewatch it man, I can remember Vargas still landing some spiteful bodyshots throughout and chasing an opponent around the ring winging wild punches doesn't always equate to winning rounds. Consensus seems to be Ball won it but on the night, as I said, I felt he did but only because he won the last, which , at the time (live) , I felt he did. The majority draw didn't surprise me and I didn't immediately think 'robbery' although I felt he'd won.

[carlo996]

I thought with two knockdowns it was his. One of the judges imo was way off.