Bravest athlete ever? I think not.

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Iwantafusca said:

E63eeeeee... said:

And as soon as society comes up with a universally accepted and universally applicable definition of what man and woman mean, it will be as simple as that.

Eh they already have lol

Wow.

Honestly, there's a whole world out there. You can learn about it if you try.

[anonymous-user]

E63eeeeee... said:

Wow.

Honestly, there's a whole world out there. You can learn about it if you try.

Mind and not fall off the edge

[biggbn]

E63eeeeee... said:

Iwantafusca said:

E63eeeeee... said:

And as soon as society comes up with a universally accepted and universally applicable definition of what man and woman mean, it will be as simple as that.

Eh they already have lol

Wow.

Honestly, there's a whole world out there. You can learn about it if you try.

 I walked to the edge of the world today, things look different from here. Perspective gives things perspective. Millions of ants dancing in repetitive circles ever expanding across a board where the dice are fixed, the cards are stacked, the game's a bogey before you begin. Was Sisyphus happy, does absurdity bring a contentment similar to the attainment of mediocrity? Strive not to be noticed, blessed are the shadows, only within them will you prosper. The sun is out, life goes on, if it doesn't change, I can, every day. The freight train slows for a millisecond when the fly of consequence meets it's end against its unstoppable progress. One day we will look at a different world and it will have come from inside ourselves.

[BobsPigeon]

Gonads innit...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279001/

Mamallian biology is very complex, really complex. Millions of years of evolutionary tweaks and improvements. Obviously it defies binary definition. But having said that we've widely adopted those definitions for convenience and the greater good.

Sport is an expression of humans greatest asset, our ability to abstract our nature and create avenues for us to express our deepest animal behaviours in a safe and controlled way that's fair and provides the satisfaction to all, it's governed by rules. No rules no game. Its not something we should take for granted.

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BobsPigeon said:

Gonads innit...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279001/

Mamallian biology is very complex, really complex. Millions of years of evolutionary tweaks and improvements. Obviously it defies binary definition. But having said that we've widely adopted those definitions for convenience and the greater good.

Sport is an expression of humans greatest asset, our ability to abstract our nature and create avenues for us to express our deepest animal behaviours in a safe and controlled way that's fair and provides the satisfaction to all, it's governed by rules. No rules no game. Its not something we should take for granted.

Yep. It's all a load of gonads in the end.

[popeyewhite]

E63eeeeee... said:

And as soon as society comes up with a universally accepted and universally applicable definition of what man and woman mean, it will be as simple as that.

Science has provided us with a very succinct definition of both a biological female, and a biological male

E63eeeeee... said:

The underlying problem is that we're trying to adjust a relatively arbitrary idea of fairness (there should be separate competition for women)

How is that arbitrary, and how is it a problem? Physical difference isn't arbitrary in any way, and it's an accepted dividing line in sport since the dawn of man, because of innate genetic differences. Neither is it arbitrary in the way a trans person chooses their gender.

E63eeeeee... said:

to introduce another arbitrary bit of fairness (we should try to be fair and inclusive to people who don't fit neatly into traditional binary ideas of woman or man).

You don't think think the entire world of competitive sport built on a notion of parity should be turned on it's head to suit an inclusivity agenda relevant to a microscopic percentage of the athlete population surely?

[oddball1313]

Not even close - What Fiorenzo Magni went through is unimaginable

https://www.velonews.com/news/from-the-pages-of-ve...

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popeyewhite said:

E63eeeeee... said:

And as soon as society comes up with a universally accepted and universally applicable definition of what man and woman mean, it will be as simple as that.

Science has provided us with a very succinct definition of both a biological female, and a biological male

E63eeeeee... said:

The underlying problem is that we're trying to adjust a relatively arbitrary idea of fairness (there should be separate competition for women)

How is that arbitrary, and how is it a problem? Physical difference isn't arbitrary in any way, and it's an accepted dividing line in sport since the dawn of man, because of innate genetic differences. Neither is it arbitrary in the way a trans person chooses their gender.

E63eeeeee... said:

to introduce another arbitrary bit of fairness (we should try to be fair and inclusive to people who don't fit neatly into traditional binary ideas of woman or man).

You don't think think the entire world of competitive sport built on a notion of parity should be turned on it's head to suit an inclusivity agenda relevant to a microscopic percentage of the athlete population surely?

Ugh. I can't be bothered trying selective quoting on my phone, so, quickly: you could indeed have female sports, or X-chromosome-only sports, but we have women's sports.

It's arbitrary because it's entirely in conflict with your ludicrously hyperbolic third point. The closest thing to a notion of parity would be no separate competitions at all, not picking an arbitrary dimension to protect a subset of competitors from full competition.

That third point is ludicrously hyperbolic because the "entire world of competitive sport" is nowhere near being "turned on its head".

[popeyewhite]

E63eeeeee... said:

Ugh. I can't be bothered trying selective quoting on my phone, so, quickly: you could indeed have female sports, or X-chromosome-only sports, but we have women's sports.

No, some children with a male XY chromosome develop as girls. You must have overlooked that fact. The situation will remain rightly as it is, as the most fair for the vast majority of competitors.

[biggbn]

E63eeeeee... said:

Yep. It's all a load of gonads in the end.

What's the difference between snowmen and snowwomen? Snowballs.

[gazza285]

oddball1313 said:

Not even close - What Fiorenzo Magni went through is unimaginable

https://www.velonews.com/news/from-the-pages-of-ve...

That’s not brave, that is just being stubborn to the point of stupidity.

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popeyewhite said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Ugh. I can't be bothered trying selective quoting on my phone, so, quickly: you could indeed have female sports, or X-chromosome-only sports, but we have women's sports.

No, some children with a male XY chromosome develop as girls. You must have overlooked that fact. The situation will remain rightly as it is, as the most fair for the vast majority of competitors.

Well, that's a great relief, as in that case we can stop talking about it.

[fatbutt]

In honour of true equality just get rid of all gender based sports. Tennis is just tennis, not mens or womens. Football, rugby, MMA... all equal.

Swap gender all you like but you compete against the best regardless of what dangles, or does not dangle between your legs.

[anonymous-user]

fatbutt said:

In honour of true equality just get rid of all gender based sports. Tennis is just tennis, not mens or womens. Football, rugby, MMA... all equal.

Swap gender all you like but you compete against the best regardless of what dangles, or does not dangle between your legs.

No sex based sports = no women’s sports

[fatbutt]

Iwantafusca said:

fatbutt said:

In honour of true equality just get rid of all gender based sports. Tennis is just tennis, not mens or womens. Football, rugby, MMA... all equal.

Swap gender all you like but you compete against the best regardless of what dangles, or does not dangle between your legs.

No sex based sports = no women’s sports

Exactly. But it will also get rid of the ridiculous argument that both genders can be equal with the same amount of training. If someone weak wants to compete against someone strong then make yourself stronger or pick a different sport. You don't lower the standards to suit the body type. There are good reasons why the Williams sisters dominated womens tennis for so long. If we had genderless sport then the women playing it wouldn't have the svelte figures you see today, they'd have to at least match the men.

I'm 100% for equality but that means equality at all times, not just when it suits.

In terms of how this relates to the thread; if you have genderless sport then you can easily negate the transgender argument

[irocfan]

fatbutt said:

Exactly. But it will also get rid of the ridiculous argument that both genders can be equal with the same amount of training. If someone weak wants to compete against someone strong then make yourself stronger or pick a different sport. You don't lower the standards to suit the body type. There are good reasons why the Williams sisters dominated womens tennis for so long. If we had genderless sport then the women playing it wouldn't have the svelte figures you see today, they'd have to at least match the men.

I'm 100% for equality but that means equality at all times, not just when it suits.

In terms of how this relates to the thread; if you have genderless sport then you can easily negate the transgender argument

Well put - true sporting equality

[CardinalBlue]

RichB said:

It's disgusting. Can you imagine a professional boxer bragging about fracturing someone's skull! It would be unthinkable.

Deontay Wilder: WBC champion defends comments he wants to kill an opponent - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/48278712

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fatbutt said:

In honour of true equality just get rid of all gender based sports. Tennis is just tennis, not mens or womens. Football, rugby, MMA... all equal.

Also no weight categories in boxing, no age group sports, no juniors, no masters. Just let them all get on with it. What other arbitrary rules can we get rid of?

[Kawasicki]

E63eeeeee... said:

fatbutt said:

In honour of true equality just get rid of all gender based sports. Tennis is just tennis, not mens or womens. Football, rugby, MMA... all equal.

Also no weight categories in boxing, no age group sports, no juniors, no masters. Just let them all get on with it. What other arbitrary rules can we get rid of?

Why should the winner have to win? Who made that rule up? It`s bathed in superiority and makes me sick to my very core. Repugnant.

Why couldn`t it be that the least capable is the celebrated one? Give me a huge golfing sponsorship deal, I`ve only played twice, wasn`t very good at it, and didn`t enjoy it much either.

[irocfan]

E63eeeeee... said:

fatbutt said:

In honour of true equality just get rid of all gender based sports. Tennis is just tennis, not mens or womens. Football, rugby, MMA... all equal.

Also no weight categories in boxing, no age group sports, no juniors, no masters. Just let them all get on with it. What other arbitrary rules can we get rid of?

well most normal people would agree that there is a difference betwixt men and woman - there are some crayon eating idiots who think that whatever a man can do (physically) a woman can too. Obviously this is just crazy talk a year or so of no gender segregation for women should show the idiots why there are gender segregations in most sports