The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
Did anyone else do the Manchester Marathon on Sunday? I finally cracked sub 4 with a time of 3:59:35. I had been on for around 3:50 but I hit the wall hard at around 22 miles so slowed to a walk/run for the last 4. Realised I was going to be just over 4 hours with half a mile to go so really went for it and even managed a short sprint down the finish straight which was a bad idea as I got a sudden bout of cramp just in front of the cameras at the end. Looking forward to seeing those pictures...
So after all of my injury woes I have had a mare this year so far. Early Jan picked up a minor soleus niggle. 1 week off it felt fine, first run.....nope. 2.5 weeks off, felt OK, came back after 4 runs. 4 weeks off, all good after 5 runs.....then catch covid (just over 3 weeks ago!).
I have signed up for 1-to-1 coaching by this guy to help my strength
https://www.themovementblueprint.co/
Only on my 3rd week now but already feel improvements in stability, a few things picked up during assessment which was interesting.
For now it's just base miles, last week was a 25 mile week and no issues and beginning to feel normal. No speed work for at least 2-3 months except I think from either next weekend or the week after just 3x20secs strides 2x/week to get the neuromuscular system ticking over. Otherwise it's a case of building 3-4M/week until I'm doing 40+/week and then start with the speed.
Frustrating, incredibly so, but I've not given up yet!
I have signed up for 1-to-1 coaching by this guy to help my strength
https://www.themovementblueprint.co/
Only on my 3rd week now but already feel improvements in stability, a few things picked up during assessment which was interesting.
For now it's just base miles, last week was a 25 mile week and no issues and beginning to feel normal. No speed work for at least 2-3 months except I think from either next weekend or the week after just 3x20secs strides 2x/week to get the neuromuscular system ticking over. Otherwise it's a case of building 3-4M/week until I'm doing 40+/week and then start with the speed.
Frustrating, incredibly so, but I've not given up yet!
After several weeks of 30-40 mile weeks getting ready for Southampton Marathon on the 24th, I've picked up a back injury. Seems to be something SI joint related and I cannot currently walk without each step being mildly painful.
Rested for a week and tried 1km on Sunday, no joy, limped home afterwards.
Having to assess with my running club coach and if things don't improve soon, I think I may have to prepare myself to DNS.
Not the best for my first proper marathon, but it is what it is and there will be others if I want there to be.
Rested for a week and tried 1km on Sunday, no joy, limped home afterwards.
Having to assess with my running club coach and if things don't improve soon, I think I may have to prepare myself to DNS.
Not the best for my first proper marathon, but it is what it is and there will be others if I want there to be.
Lads there’s a pair of runners online for sale they are the last of the line of a type I love and the pair I have are getting on km wise. Issue is the online ones are top money
Nike Pegasus turbo and not made anymore hence the q
Would ye go for them despite them costing almost as much as they were new and despite the fact they are brand new they are still 3 years old in terms of when they left the factory??
Nike Pegasus turbo and not made anymore hence the q
Would ye go for them despite them costing almost as much as they were new and despite the fact they are brand new they are still 3 years old in terms of when they left the factory??
rastapasta said:
Lads there’s a pair of runners online for sale they are the last of the line of a type I love and the pair I have are getting on km wise. Issue is the online ones are top money
Nike Pegasus turbo and not made anymore hence the q
Would ye go for them despite them costing almost as much as they were new and despite the fact they are brand new they are still 3 years old in terms of when they left the factory??
I did 11 miles in my pair of peg turbo 2's on Sunday felt fine. I think there are better shoes for less money but thats a matter of opinion! Nike Pegasus turbo and not made anymore hence the q
Would ye go for them despite them costing almost as much as they were new and despite the fact they are brand new they are still 3 years old in terms of when they left the factory??
Hard one! I would try hoka mach 4 and pocket the difference, I think.
I've been looking for a thread to ask a Q on shoes and it might have been discussed a million times her and it's all a bit done to personal taste and budget, but I run mainly on road and running machine and have always bought cheap/average Asics. Never >£70. I was looking at something decent as I'm getting older and see that quite a few people are using ON. Does anyone have any experience of them as a brand? Obviously I'll be trying them on and testing at a local shop....
TimmyMallett said:
I've been looking for a thread to ask a Q on shoes and it might have been discussed a million times her and it's all a bit done to personal taste and budget, but I run mainly on road and running machine and have always bought cheap/average Asics. Never >£70. I was looking at something decent as I'm getting older and see that quite a few people are using ON. Does anyone have any experience of them as a brand? Obviously I'll be trying them on and testing at a local shop....
yes, they only work for you if you are a seasoned runner. as day to day runners they are very much an acquired taste - the support isnt that good and the structure of the soles means you are a magnet for stones. I would say you are better sticking with asics. My wife wears ON walking the wards as a nurse, for that job they are very common here in switzerland where they originate from and they are almost ubiquitous with people wearing them day to day as a casual shoe. However they don't hold up that well to daily hard wear, she is on her third pair in her job. So, to quote Simon Cowell, 'its a no'
TimmyMallett said:
I've been looking for a thread to ask a Q on shoes and it might have been discussed a million times her and it's all a bit done to personal taste and budget, but I run mainly on road and running machine and have always bought cheap/average Asics. Never >£70. I was looking at something decent as I'm getting older and see that quite a few people are using ON. Does anyone have any experience of them as a brand? Obviously I'll be trying them on and testing at a local shop....
Didn't work for me. I think i had a couple of pairs of different models. Stones continuously get stuck in the soles and they were just too firm for the long runs i was doing.fiatpower said:
Did anyone else do the Manchester Marathon on Sunday? I finally cracked sub 4 with a time of 3:59:35. I had been on for around 3:50 but I hit the wall hard at around 22 miles so slowed to a walk/run for the last 4. Realised I was going to be just over 4 hours with half a mile to go so really went for it and even managed a short sprint down the finish straight which was a bad idea as I got a sudden bout of cramp just in front of the cameras at the end. Looking forward to seeing those pictures...
Do you think the wall was a lack of nutrition or conditioning? I've found that fasted long runs and estimated marathon duration runs during a training block has a massive effect on this. Don't think I've hit the wall since I changed to not glugging a load of breakfast the morning of a long run...I'm after some advise...
Training for my first marathon (Snowdonia, at the end of October) and am planning on following their plan on their website. The Q comes from the fact that if I'm following their plan (which is a long one - 33 weeks!), this weekends long run would be 6-7 miles, but having trained for and successfully completed the Cardiff half last weekend, I'm ahead of schedule somewhat.
Therefore, should I just follow the plan and disregard the Cardiff half, or should I follow the plan from the point of where the long run is 12-13 miles, do a marathon locally 10 weeks ahead of the Snowdonia marathon, and then pick up the plan where I should be for the end of October marathon?
I'm not aiming for a specific time in the Snowdonia Marathon as it's so bloomin' hilly (obv!...) but don't want to jeopardise it by doing another 10 weeks before.. (which would then be my first..)
Forgot to add - I'm a fit but no spring chicken @53 if that makes a difference [shrug] .Thanks.
Training for my first marathon (Snowdonia, at the end of October) and am planning on following their plan on their website. The Q comes from the fact that if I'm following their plan (which is a long one - 33 weeks!), this weekends long run would be 6-7 miles, but having trained for and successfully completed the Cardiff half last weekend, I'm ahead of schedule somewhat.
Therefore, should I just follow the plan and disregard the Cardiff half, or should I follow the plan from the point of where the long run is 12-13 miles, do a marathon locally 10 weeks ahead of the Snowdonia marathon, and then pick up the plan where I should be for the end of October marathon?
I'm not aiming for a specific time in the Snowdonia Marathon as it's so bloomin' hilly (obv!...) but don't want to jeopardise it by doing another 10 weeks before.. (which would then be my first..)
Forgot to add - I'm a fit but no spring chicken @53 if that makes a difference [shrug] .Thanks.
Edited by Fetchez la vache on Friday 8th April 12:52
There’s no way I’d want to do a marathon having only done long runs of 6-7 miles. Regardless of pace I think anyone aiming for a marathon should be trying to do 12-13 miles for their long runs - preferably with a few slightly longer.
I wouldn’t advise doing a marathon ten weeks before snowdonia - it’s last 10k that really takes its toll on the body. I know some people can do marathons a few weeks apart but generally only if they’re very experienced.
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Just had a look at their website and see that the training plans do include longer runs as you get closer. If you want follow their existing plan I’d suggest just doing ‘a little bit more’ than they suggest.
I wouldn’t advise doing a marathon ten weeks before snowdonia - it’s last 10k that really takes its toll on the body. I know some people can do marathons a few weeks apart but generally only if they’re very experienced.
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Just had a look at their website and see that the training plans do include longer runs as you get closer. If you want follow their existing plan I’d suggest just doing ‘a little bit more’ than they suggest.
Edited by rover 623gsi on Saturday 9th April 09:54
rover 623gsi said:
There’s no way I’d want to do a marathon having only done long runs of 6-7 miles. Regardless of pace I think anyone aiming for a marathon should be trying to do 12-13 miles for their long runs - preferably with a few slightly longer.
I wouldn’t advise doing a marathon ten weeks before snowdonia - it’s last 10k that really takes its toll on the body. I know some people can do marathons a few weeks apart but generally only if they’re very experienced.
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Just had a look at their website and see that the training plans do include longer runs as you get closer. If you want follow their existing plan I’d suggest just doing ‘a little bit more’ than they suggest.
Isn't he saying jump on the training plan at 12-13 miles rather start from scratch ?I wouldn’t advise doing a marathon ten weeks before snowdonia - it’s last 10k that really takes its toll on the body. I know some people can do marathons a few weeks apart but generally only if they’re very experienced.
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Just had a look at their website and see that the training plans do include longer runs as you get closer. If you want follow their existing plan I’d suggest just doing ‘a little bit more’ than they suggest.
Edited by rover 623gsi on Saturday 9th April 09:54
If your doing snowdonia i'd do a lot more hilly runs as well it will be very different from cardiff.
Fetchez la vache said:
I'm after some advise...
Training for my first marathon (Snowdonia, at the end of October) and am planning on following their plan on their website. The Q comes from the fact that if I'm following their plan (which is a long one - 33 weeks!), this weekends long run would be 6-7 miles, but having trained for and successfully completed the Cardiff half last weekend, I'm ahead of schedule somewhat.
Therefore, should I just follow the plan and disregard the Cardiff half, or should I follow the plan from the point of where the long run is 12-13 miles, do a marathon locally 10 weeks ahead of the Snowdonia marathon, and then pick up the plan where I should be for the end of October marathon?
I'm not aiming for a specific time in the Snowdonia Marathon as it's so bloomin' hilly (obv!...) but don't want to jeopardise it by doing another 10 weeks before.. (which would then be my first..)
Forgot to add - I'm a fit but no spring chicken @53 if that makes a difference [shrug] .Thanks.
Is the plan a 'get you round' plan or are you looking for a time? If the former I'd just pick up the plan where it is now, maybe increase the distance of the longer runs a bit if you want to, you feel comfortable and can stick to the 10% increase / week rule. Training for my first marathon (Snowdonia, at the end of October) and am planning on following their plan on their website. The Q comes from the fact that if I'm following their plan (which is a long one - 33 weeks!), this weekends long run would be 6-7 miles, but having trained for and successfully completed the Cardiff half last weekend, I'm ahead of schedule somewhat.
Therefore, should I just follow the plan and disregard the Cardiff half, or should I follow the plan from the point of where the long run is 12-13 miles, do a marathon locally 10 weeks ahead of the Snowdonia marathon, and then pick up the plan where I should be for the end of October marathon?
I'm not aiming for a specific time in the Snowdonia Marathon as it's so bloomin' hilly (obv!...) but don't want to jeopardise it by doing another 10 weeks before.. (which would then be my first..)
Forgot to add - I'm a fit but no spring chicken @53 if that makes a difference [shrug] .Thanks.
Edited by Fetchez la vache on Friday 8th April 12:52
Make sure that you have a recovery week every 3-4 weeks as well
Just wanted to pop online and say thanks for the advice over the last few pages. I finished my first marathon today. More to come.
I’d been seeing a physiotherapist and carrying out strengthening and stretching exercises due to friction / it band pain. I managed to get two thirds of the way round and had to walk and stretch a little bit, then had a stitch. Will keep up the exercises and work on the weakness so I don’t miss as much training next time. I missed 10 training runs focusing more on the recovery and distance runs at the weekend if everything felt okay. So I could get around and not injure myself.
I finished in just over 5 hours. Initially disappointed as training was going so well and was in glass half empty mode, but then perked up. Reminding myself that I finished and learnt from the experience. Still buzzing with excitement.
I’d been seeing a physiotherapist and carrying out strengthening and stretching exercises due to friction / it band pain. I managed to get two thirds of the way round and had to walk and stretch a little bit, then had a stitch. Will keep up the exercises and work on the weakness so I don’t miss as much training next time. I missed 10 training runs focusing more on the recovery and distance runs at the weekend if everything felt okay. So I could get around and not injure myself.
I finished in just over 5 hours. Initially disappointed as training was going so well and was in glass half empty mode, but then perked up. Reminding myself that I finished and learnt from the experience. Still buzzing with excitement.
wrencho said:
fiatpower said:
Did anyone else do the Manchester Marathon on Sunday? I finally cracked sub 4 with a time of 3:59:35. I had been on for around 3:50 but I hit the wall hard at around 22 miles so slowed to a walk/run for the last 4. Realised I was going to be just over 4 hours with half a mile to go so really went for it and even managed a short sprint down the finish straight which was a bad idea as I got a sudden bout of cramp just in front of the cameras at the end. Looking forward to seeing those pictures...
Do you think the wall was a lack of nutrition or conditioning? I've found that fasted long runs and estimated marathon duration runs during a training block has a massive effect on this. Don't think I've hit the wall since I changed to not glugging a load of breakfast the morning of a long run...The fact that after some walk/jog/walk/jog you were able to go for it in the last half-mile would suggest fatigue.
If you really hit the wall the tank of carb-based fuel is drained and you have to rely solely on fat burning
which requires a lot more oxygen to produce the same energy output. So if you are sucking in air to run at
9min pace on carbs you would need a hell of a lot more air to run at 9min pace on fat.
As wrencho has alluded long slow runs (lower intensity so lower energy requirement) train your body to burn a little bit of fat from
the outset, thus stretching out your carb stores. Then (in theory) on race day your body thinks "bloody hell, he's doing another one
of them long 'uns. Better start burning a bit of fat so we survive it".
rover 623gsi said:
Just had a look at their website and see that the training plans do include longer runs as you get closer. If you want follow their existing plan I’d suggest just doing ‘a little bit more’ than they suggest.
Sound good.egor110 said:
If your doing snowdonia i'd do a lot more hilly runs as well it will be very different from cardiff.
Agree. TBH I was surprised there wasn't any specific hill training in their plan and do indeed aim to add in some more hill training. Luckily we do have some stretches of the coastal path I run on regularly that in parts are pretty hilly plus some "reasonable" hills around here too even if it's not Snowdonia...smn159 said:
Is the plan a 'get you round' plan or are you looking for a time? If the former I'd just pick up the plan where it is now, maybe increase the distance of the longer runs a bit if you want to, you feel comfortable and can stick to the 10% increase / week rule.
Make sure that you have a recovery week every 3-4 weeks as well
Very much a "get you round". With over 800m of ascent this isn't going to be fast marathon for me - even if being my 1st, it will be a PB (assuming I finish, obviously).Make sure that you have a recovery week every 3-4 weeks as well
Thanks for the feedback everyone. After some thought plus your feedback I'm not going to try to stuff another marathon in before Snowdonia as it may well wreck Snowdonia. I'm sure it's mixing metaphors but trying to run before you can walk seems to spring to mind, and your comments seem to mirror my thoughts.
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