The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Sterillium said:

I am too, for some of them. Judo is excellent, JJ is excellent, Muay Thai is brutal and brilliant, TKD is awful, WC is awful.

I drifted through quite a few of them before I found KM, which although ultra brutal, is phenomenally effective and fun.

I've had some interesting sparring with a fair few of the above, plus boxing, very interesting.

WELL.. the likes of Wing Chun, all Kung Fu and Karate styles really are not the way to go if what you want is to learn to fight BUT as a healthy hobby for anyone from 5 to 105 they are great, can teach young people good values, by sheer giving of confidence can aid self defence by making someone not look and feel like a victim and I’m all for preserving as much as possible ancient arts, though I’m aware how quickly ‘Chinese whispers’ can deteriorate techniques as they are passed along.

[towser44]

Ben Shalom saying that noises coming out of Khan camp that he is weighing up the rematch clause (he has 3 weeks to take it up) and also that Brook is intent on carrying on for one or 2 more fights.

Also said that the view from Khan's camp is that going to the US for training camp was a mistake, he didn't train long enough and didn't take Brook seriously (10 weeks training against Brook's 6 months) and he was jet lagged and it became obvious during fight week of the problems.

Edited by towser44 on Thursday 24th February 11:48

[andburg]

towser44 said:

Ben Shalom saying that noises coming out of Khan camp that he is weighing up the rematch clause (he has 3 weeks to take it up) and also that Brook is intent on carrying on for one or 2 more fights.

Also said that the view from Khan's camp is that going to the US for training camp was a mistake, he didn't train long enough and didn't take Brook seriously (10 weeks training against Brook's 6 months) and he was jet lagged and it became obvious during fight week of the problems.

Edited by towser44 on Thursday 24th February 11:48

Thing is how much does he need the money?

In order to make that rematch he needs 2 more fights himself where he shows up and looks massively better. Currently the sell would be another beating on a non pay per view event as lets face nobody is going to pay for a repeat of that fight.

[tuscaneer]

i thought if the old khan showed up he would stay light, crisp and fast and outpoint brook... even though brook at his best was also fantastic....a great, rejuvenated version of kell showed up... a shot to st, slow khan turned up....

note on the taylor/catterrall card (good fight by the way,but there's only one winner there..taylor all day) ..... there's a guy who's training up in our gym under derry now called bilal fawaz... 3 time aba champ and only missed out on olympic selection due to not being a passport holder (read his story it's insane...trafficked to the uk as a kid!)...

anyway, he only fought his pro debut weekend before last ....he's been added to this undercard so derry has dropped everything to get there..... he's worth keeping an eye on... he looks incredible in the gym and really impressed on his pro debut, only downside is that he's 34... hence fast tracking his career now... he's well worth a watch.

[NuckyThompson]

ThisInJapanese said:

Josh Taylor v Jack Catterall this weekend. It's criminal that Taylor is so under the radar, he's a great fighter.

Yeah Taylor is fantastic and I think he gets a stoppage win in this one. He really should be the one getting PPV money not Khan and Brook.

Speaking of criminal though, the undercard for a second week running is absolutely dire

[MJK 24]

I can’t see a different outcome for Kahn Brook II.

Kahn’s post fight interview was refreshingly honest and straightforward. I wonder has someone got in his ear since the weekend?

[hyphen]

MJK 24 said:

... I wonder has someone got in his ear since the weekend?

How fast do the PPV numbers come out, perhaps they were better than he expected.

[towser44]

hyphen said:

MJK 24 said:

... I wonder has someone got in his ear since the weekend?

How fast do the PPV numbers come out, perhaps they were better than he expected.

Promoter was saying today it was the best non-heavyweight division numbers for a UK PPV fight ever. He also said people were still buying/watching the re-runs. Not sure about the latter, as I watched the full fight via Youtube yesterday released by Sky so not sure why anyone would be paying for it still?

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

How fast do the PPV numbers come out, perhaps they were better than he expected.

PPV figures don't usually come out officially - instead they mostly get leaked by the promoter to a friendly journalist, so no-one can probe that much. And so they can get massaged upwards a bit. Often you hear promoters use the excuse their are waiting for the overseas PPV figures to come in, which is a way of sidestepping the question.

In my opinion, broadcasters and promoters never want to admit to poor/average PPV figures - they want to use an inflated number to build momentum for their next PPV card.

Nevertheless, the figure I saw for Brook/Khan was that it did around 600k buys, which if true, is a very decent number.

[272BHP]

If they try and go for a rematch it would be a very tricky sell as Khan was never at the races.

But if the 600K buys are accurate then what it does show is that Brook v either Benn or Eubank makes very good financial sense.

Then again maybe the majority of the PPV buys were from the Khan supporters?

[Yazza54]

I don't think brook khan 2 would be anywhere near as exciting a proposition. It was a long standing grudge, it's been settled, it wasn't even close and they embraced/exchanged words of respect afterwards, it's done. The hype just wouldn't be there for another fight.

I'd like to see brook fight again but I'd hate to see him get sparked out or his eyes knackered again. That risk is the name of the game though I suppose.

[EddieSteadyGo]

272BHP said:

If they try and go for a rematch it would be a very tricky sell as Khan was never at the races.

But if the 600K buys are accurate then what it does show is that Brook v either Benn or Eubank makes very good financial sense.

Then again maybe the majority of the PPV buys were from the Khan supporters?

I can't see the rematch happening either. Whilst Khan might have a rematch clause, I suspect Sky will have a big influence on its feasibility - for example, they might tell Khan they won't push it as much via their other channels, which would knock big chunk off the PPV buys. So even though in theory Khan is in the driving seat, I still think Sky will be in the ones pulling the strings. And I suspect they will think there is more money to be made elsewhere.

[EddieSteadyGo]

I notice that Matchoom lost another purse bid to Frank Warren yesterday - this time for Andrade vs Zach Parker. I think this is a clear signal DAZN have decided Andrade doesn't move the dial in terms of adding new subscribers, so will be interesting to see what happens.

I also notice there have been no announcements from Joshua regarding his UK TV deal - Sky (via Adam Smith) are saying they feel very confident Joshua will re-sign with them again. However, I think it looks clear Joshua will instead sign his UK broadcast rights to DAZN, maybe on a 1 fight deal.

I think DAZN want to use Canelo and Joshua as the star names to launch their worldwide PPV offering. Hearn will know to the last penny what Sky have been paying Joshua, so should be pretty easy to overpay to ensure they get his signature.

That will be a fundamental shift in strategy for DAZN - as Boxnation found, there are not enough hard-core boxing fans to support a subscription-based boxing channel which brings in sufficient monthly revenue to pay the rights fees and make a profit. Hence the switch to a PPV model in both the US and UK.

[ThisInJapanese]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I notice that Matchoom lost another purse bid to Frank Warren yesterday - this time for Andrade vs Zach Parker. I think this is a clear signal DAZN have decided Andrade doesn't move the dial in terms of adding new subscribers, so will be interesting to see what happens.

I also notice there have been no announcements from Joshua regarding his UK TV deal - Sky (via Adam Smith) are saying they feel very confident Joshua will re-sign with them again. However, I think it looks clear Joshua will instead sign his UK broadcast rights to DAZN, maybe on a 1 fight deal.

I think DAZN want to use Canelo and Joshua as the star names to launch their worldwide PPV offering. Hearn will know to the last penny what Sky have been paying Joshua, so should be pretty easy to overpay to ensure they get his signature.

That will be a fundamental shift in strategy for DAZN - as Boxnation found, there are not enough hard-core boxing fans to support a subscription-based boxing channel which brings in sufficient monthly revenue to pay the rights fees and make a profit. Hence the switch to a PPV model in both the US and UK.

I don't know where DAZN go from here, it would have made a much better picture had they bought BT Sport https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/03/bt... but that failed and I suspect they might struggle to get over the massive losses and the inability to float.

[EddieSteadyGo]

ThisInJapanese said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

I notice that Matchoom lost another purse bid to Frank Warren yesterday - this time for Andrade vs Zach Parker. I think this is a clear signal DAZN have decided Andrade doesn't move the dial in terms of adding new subscribers, so will be interesting to see what happens.

I also notice there have been no announcements from Joshua regarding his UK TV deal - Sky (via Adam Smith) are saying they feel very confident Joshua will re-sign with them again. However, I think it looks clear Joshua will instead sign his UK broadcast rights to DAZN, maybe on a 1 fight deal.

I think DAZN want to use Canelo and Joshua as the star names to launch their worldwide PPV offering. Hearn will know to the last penny what Sky have been paying Joshua, so should be pretty easy to overpay to ensure they get his signature.

That will be a fundamental shift in strategy for DAZN - as Boxnation found, there are not enough hard-core boxing fans to support a subscription-based boxing channel which brings in sufficient monthly revenue to pay the rights fees and make a profit. Hence the switch to a PPV model in both the US and UK.

I don't know where DAZN go from here, it would have made a much better picture had they bought BT Sport https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/03/bt... but that failed and I suspect they might struggle to get over the massive losses and the inability to float.

They are expanding their variety of sports, although they really need more football if they are going to attract more mainstream sports fans. As you say, BT Sports would have plugged that gap nicely. What Sky did so successfully is leverage their other channels and other sports, to push their PPV fights, which brings crossover in the audience.

Hard to do that when all you have is your app which is mainly boxing content. And I know Dazn want to become the "Netflix of sports" but Netflix ensure most of their content is aimed at the centre of the market, so there is something for most children, teenagers and adults. Andrade vs Zach Parker as an example barely appeals to a fraction of the population.

[DocJock]

DAZN also badly need a UI which is more recent than one from the 1980s.

[towser44]

Fury vs Whyte on 23 April @ Wembley then

[EddieSteadyGo]

DocJock said:

DAZN also badly need a UI which is more recent than one from the 1980s.

The other point with their app is getting it onto smart TVs. I connect using a htpc to my TV but lots of people prefer to use the apps inbuilt to their TV and I think many find getting the DAZN app onto that problematic.

And I've just seen DAZN have announced a two fight deal with Canelo, which will be on DAZN PPV. Just waiting now to hear they have also signed Joshua on a PPV deal for the Usyk rematch....

[272BHP]

EddieSteadyGo said:

The other point with their app is getting it onto smart TVs. I connect using a htpc to my TV but lots of people prefer to use the apps inbuilt to their TV and I think many find getting the DAZN app onto that problematic.

And I've just seen DAZN have announced a two fight deal with Canelo, which will be on DAZN PPV. Just waiting now to hear they have also signed Joshua on a PPV deal for the Usyk rematch....

Love to know the pricing of the PPV seeing as we already pay a monthly - anything more than 15 quid and it will be taking the p***

But it will probably start low and then get higher very quickly and after a year or two even stuff like Chisora vs Parker will earn PPV status

[ThisInJapanese]

272BHP said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

The other point with their app is getting it onto smart TVs. I connect using a htpc to my TV but lots of people prefer to use the apps inbuilt to their TV and I think many find getting the DAZN app onto that problematic.

And I've just seen DAZN have announced a two fight deal with Canelo, which will be on DAZN PPV. Just waiting now to hear they have also signed Joshua on a PPV deal for the Usyk rematch....

Love to know the pricing of the PPV seeing as we already pay a monthly - anything more than 15 quid and it will be taking the p***

But it will probably start low and then get higher very quickly and after a year or two even stuff like Chisora vs Parker will earn PPV status

They are talking about $80 in the US with a reduced rate of $60 for those who already subscribe.