Cricket one-dayers and 20/20
Discussion
Right, let's start another thread cos the old Ashes one was getting boring what with all the sniping and anyway, it's over!
How are we going to do - does anyone car and does it matter? At 20/20 first I mean.
Seeing as last time we played Aus at 20/20 we won by 100 runs I thought it did then as we played them before the Ashes in 2005 and any hiding we dished out was gonna make them think.
But we played the Ashes first this time cos they just *have* to have their Tests built around Boxing day and New Year ...
Starts at 8.30am Tues morning ... the Aussies are wearing shirts with nicknames on and enterint into the spirit of it really while we are just playing it with a staright bat as it were.
Australia squad (nicknames in brackets): R Ponting (capt; PUNTER), A Gilchrist (CHURCH), M Hayden (HAYDOS), M Hussey (HUSS), M Clarke (CLARKEY), A Symonds (ROY), C White (BEAR), B Hogg (GEORGE), N Bracken (ANDY G), M Johnson (NOTCH), B Lee (BINGA), B Hilfenhaus (HILFY).
England squad: M Vaughan (capt), J Anderson, I Bell, P Collingwood, J Dalrymple, A Flintoff, E Joyce, J Lewis, S Mahmood, P Nixon, M Panesar, K Pietersen, L Plunkett, C Read, A Strauss, C Tremlett.
Let's get it on ...
How are we going to do - does anyone car and does it matter? At 20/20 first I mean.
Seeing as last time we played Aus at 20/20 we won by 100 runs I thought it did then as we played them before the Ashes in 2005 and any hiding we dished out was gonna make them think.
But we played the Ashes first this time cos they just *have* to have their Tests built around Boxing day and New Year ...
Starts at 8.30am Tues morning ... the Aussies are wearing shirts with nicknames on and enterint into the spirit of it really while we are just playing it with a staright bat as it were.
Australia squad (nicknames in brackets): R Ponting (capt; PUNTER), A Gilchrist (CHURCH), M Hayden (HAYDOS), M Hussey (HUSS), M Clarke (CLARKEY), A Symonds (ROY), C White (BEAR), B Hogg (GEORGE), N Bracken (ANDY G), M Johnson (NOTCH), B Lee (BINGA), B Hilfenhaus (HILFY).
England squad: M Vaughan (capt), J Anderson, I Bell, P Collingwood, J Dalrymple, A Flintoff, E Joyce, J Lewis, S Mahmood, P Nixon, M Panesar, K Pietersen, L Plunkett, C Read, A Strauss, C Tremlett.
Let's get it on ...
My missus hasn't quite got the hang of the cricket - she's okay if it's a one dayer - highest score wins etc but if it's two innings she gets a tad confused! 20/20 is about as simple as it gets really ... we went to see a few 20/20 games a couple of years ago (incidentally saw Pietersen lbw for 0 first ball playing for Notts at Leicester) which made the crowd laugh somewhat (it was at Leicester).
Another good story there was some guys had won a competition to have beers and pizzas served to them under the scoreboard while they reclined on a sofa ... ideal really. Inbetween innings this pizza delivery moped drove round the outfield and dropped off their food. No sooner had they scoffed it than the second innings began and some guy clouted a six to square leg - on offer was year's supply of beer from the sponsors should someone in the crowd catch a six - stone me, one of these guys stood up and as he walked to get a beer from a table by the side of the sofa he looked up and the ball was coming straight to him. He caught it and carried on walking without breaking step and picked up his beer to the acknowledgemebt of the crowd!
The match was on Sky and they even sent David Lloyd round the boundary to talk to them ...
Great three hours entertainment is 20/20! Here's hoping for a close match whoever wins!
Superb stuff!
Another good story there was some guys had won a competition to have beers and pizzas served to them under the scoreboard while they reclined on a sofa ... ideal really. Inbetween innings this pizza delivery moped drove round the outfield and dropped off their food. No sooner had they scoffed it than the second innings began and some guy clouted a six to square leg - on offer was year's supply of beer from the sponsors should someone in the crowd catch a six - stone me, one of these guys stood up and as he walked to get a beer from a table by the side of the sofa he looked up and the ball was coming straight to him. He caught it and carried on walking without breaking step and picked up his beer to the acknowledgemebt of the crowd!
The match was on Sky and they even sent David Lloyd round the boundary to talk to them ...
Great three hours entertainment is 20/20! Here's hoping for a close match whoever wins!
Superb stuff!
97-2 from 8.1 - Gilly just out - strewth!
Don't know what the highest international score is in 20/20 but this could be it ...
Have I read somwhere about a 20/20 World Cup or have I just dreamt that?
The missus quite likes the cricket - she just doesn't understand it! And they say the offisde law always needs explaining!
Don't know what the highest international score is in 20/20 but this could be it ...
Have I read somwhere about a 20/20 World Cup or have I just dreamt that?
The missus quite likes the cricket - she just doesn't understand it! And they say the offisde law always needs explaining!
Edited by MikeyT on Tuesday 9th January 09:15
Joce was on a mission - been carrying the drinks for so long he wanted to make an impression - but in the first over? Get the pace of the pitch first blimey. Same goes for Flintoff - bad choice of shot.
Didn't see KP out but he's not as quick as he thinkgs obviously.
A nice ton from Vaughney and a few chipping in with 20's and we'll get home.
I can dream!
Edit: the skipper's out now!
Didn't see KP out but he's not as quick as he thinkgs obviously.
A nice ton from Vaughney and a few chipping in with 20's and we'll get home.
I can dream!
Edit: the skipper's out now!
Edited by MikeyT on Tuesday 9th January 10:50
127 wanted from 36 balls on the BBC website
and double
There's still bits to play for on a personal level here - Nixon is as tough a match player as they come and I hope he does well - he was good behind the stumps and chatters away non-stop.
We might end up getting beat but I at least want to see some enthusiasm!
Hopefully he'll do well in the upcoming one-dayers and the who knows for the World Cup. Knowing our selectors we'll pick james Foster for that or something.
and double There's still bits to play for on a personal level here - Nixon is as tough a match player as they come and I hope he does well - he was good behind the stumps and chatters away non-stop.
We might end up getting beat but I at least want to see some enthusiasm!
Hopefully he'll do well in the upcoming one-dayers and the who knows for the World Cup. Knowing our selectors we'll pick james Foster for that or something.
Edited by MikeyT on Tuesday 9th January 11:17
hsvgtscoupe said:
MikeyT said:
hsvgtscoupe said:
36 YO rookie - hardly encouraging
Well, you had Harwood making his debut and he's 32 - hardly the new breed,.
Edited by MikeyT on Tuesday 9th January 11:43
But lets face it.. we are spoilt for choice & your selectors are scratching through every list they can find! No criticism of Nixon intended - he did well and TBH runs rings around useless Jones & Read.
Correct, so are you just gonna take the piss again
or be more constructive this time round?No, you get Channel 9 obviously - we get Sky with Hussain, Lloyd, Botham, Holding, Atherton etc and occasionally Ian Healey, Tubby and Slats pop up for a bit.
Not seen it all yet but if Vaughn's knee has held out then that's good.
Cameron White - 5 off 5 balls - ended up with 40 off 20 balls.
Captained Somerset to bottom position last year so swings and roundabouts
Good entertainment though!
Good on Nixon though - a cricketer's cricketer - tough as old boots but if Alec Stewart played until he as 40 or so so can he.
Not seen it all yet but if Vaughn's knee has held out then that's good.
Cameron White - 5 off 5 balls - ended up with 40 off 20 balls.
Captained Somerset to bottom position last year so swings and roundabouts
Good entertainment though!
Good on Nixon though - a cricketer's cricketer - tough as old boots but if Alec Stewart played until he as 40 or so so can he.
Edited by MikeyT on Tuesday 9th January 12:24
308gt4 said:
I noticed Nixon standing up to the wicket with Anderson bowling so someone doesn't think much of the other
Nixon looked the consummate professional to me, doesn't help win the games against us but sure makes it harder
Nixon looked the consummate professional to me, doesn't help win the games against us but sure makes it harder
He has played more 20/20 games than any other pro cricketer has Nixon - he is as tough as they come - pity we didn't play him at 26 instead of 36 but then we had Alec Stewart who opened as well as kept so he was never going to get a chance. He's suited to the one-day game as he can bang a bit as well as keep standing up which a) may stop people walking down the wicket all the time ala Hayden and b) he keep chattering in the batsman's earhole.
You can be sure that at 36 he knows this is probably his only chance so he's taking it ... I hope we take him to the World Cup to be honest ... if only cos he gets teammates going a bit and makes sure they won't slck in the field. He deserves his chance. I'd rather have him on my side than not if you see what I mean - although I'd take Gilly in a straight swap!
Just waiting for UnRep who is probably not looking at this thread on purpose cos he's gonna watch the highlights later -
Unrep - makes sure you watch the first 15 minutes of the half hour programme hsvgtscoupe said:
Furthermore I agree with the Nixon comment below.. give the blokea chance, he's got nuffin to lose & will add a whole lot of much needed attitude to the English limited overs side. I reckon he'll finish his career with a bang and his vintage shouldn't hurt - not too much running needed when yr sat up to the timber!
You know for an Aussie you're good value
unrepentant said:
The most disappointing thing for me though was Kevin Pietersens reaction after he dropped that easy catch off Jimmy Anderson. Harwood dropped one and you could see he was gutted. Pietersons reaction was to laugh. There encapsulated in one moment you have the difference between the sides. Until it means as much to our guys as it does to theirs we've no chance.
I think you're being a bit unfair there UnRep - if it had been early on and Ponting (like the Lewis one) that would have been different - didn't see Lewis laughing - that *would* have told you something but this was in the last over - he'd dropped a dolly and was walking back to the bayng Aussie crowd and the absurdity of it all suddenly overcame over him - it was the right human emotion he showed - they were 200+ by then and his reaction at that point I think was ok. Gilly in the first over though, if he dropped him and so much as smirked I'd be throwing things at the TV set.
Harwood's on the other hand was different - it was his debut at aged 32, he was anxious to impress and he'd taken some hammer although he got two early wickets ... his was easier than KP's and he was just plain embarrassed. He'd catch that 999 out of 1000 normally.
The big difference? He's playing for his place (in the squad, let alone the 11) - KP is more secure in the squad than anyone else.
Don't read any more into it than that. Eng were trying out there - it's just that this Aussie team are class from top to bottom. Cameron White - jesus lord. And he's built like a brick sh*thouse - we looked like the couldn't reach the bloody boundary even.
One six was pathetic though - too many dibs and dabs and playing across the line - that bloody reverse sweep - how many got out to that - Dalrymple looked so ungainly when he was out he nearly fell over - in fact he did and was stumped as well IIRC.
They should ban the playing of that shot - remember it cost us the World Cup in 1987 ...
Test cricket will always be the ultimate 'Test' - but ODIs and 20/20 have their place of course - big revenue earners on a regular basis.
And people like going for a drink in the sun after work to watch 20/20 - it's a VERY cheap early evening out - £10 we paid at Leics for about three and a bit hours entertainment.
I think a 20/20 World CUp will be good as entertainment - but that's all it is - entertainment - the stats don't mean as much as they do in Tests or the first class game.
As long as us cricket followers remember that then James Anderson shouldn't feel too bad - wonder if he'll play in the one starting in about four hours
Off to bed now so I can be up v early.
And people like going for a drink in the sun after work to watch 20/20 - it's a VERY cheap early evening out - £10 we paid at Leics for about three and a bit hours entertainment.
I think a 20/20 World CUp will be good as entertainment - but that's all it is - entertainment - the stats don't mean as much as they do in Tests or the first class game.
As long as us cricket followers remember that then James Anderson shouldn't feel too bad - wonder if he'll play in the one starting in about four hours
Off to bed now so I can be up v early.
You have to concede that Australia have taken the level of the one-day game to new heights in the last five years - in all areas of the game but especially their initial approach at the start of the innings - witness England's 58-2 from their first 15 overs and Australia's 101-0. Their whole persona when batting is not to feel under the cosh at all and to take the game to the opposition - one which other countries must heed. Mind you, it helps when you probably have the best one-day bowling attack as well ... and those big Aussies grounds help - lots of space to clout the ball.
It's also comforing to know if you're in the Aussie top three that there are four or more equally competent one-day batters still in the hutch - that just breeds confidence and a freedom to play some strokes. You don't get many of their team swinging across the line of straight deliveries either, fine if maybe the ball is not on the stumps but they're not often out lbw. Most of their shots are good cricket shots not out anbd out slogs.
Someone is going to have to come up with some good tactics and then implement them if we aren't to see Australia win every game iof this series, then complete a clean sweep in the World Cup Final ... which is McGrath's dream I should think (and quiet prediction).
It's also comforing to know if you're in the Aussie top three that there are four or more equally competent one-day batters still in the hutch - that just breeds confidence and a freedom to play some strokes. You don't get many of their team swinging across the line of straight deliveries either, fine if maybe the ball is not on the stumps but they're not often out lbw. Most of their shots are good cricket shots not out anbd out slogs.
Someone is going to have to come up with some good tactics and then implement them if we aren't to see Australia win every game iof this series, then complete a clean sweep in the World Cup Final ... which is McGrath's dream I should think (and quiet prediction).
"England's approach is at odds with most other international sides, who put big-hitting batsmen at the top of the order in one-day games to take advantage of fielding regulations."
So says the BBC on their website today ...
We have to get a different mix before the World Cup surely? What about Mal Lye? I know he's in the 30 for the World Cup but he deserves a go IMO. Whether he'll get one is another thing.
MUST make the 20/20 World Cup team though - that's the time to do away with Bell and Strauss etc.
So says the BBC on their website today ...
We have to get a different mix before the World Cup surely? What about Mal Lye? I know he's in the 30 for the World Cup but he deserves a go IMO. Whether he'll get one is another thing.
MUST make the 20/20 World Cup team though - that's the time to do away with Bell and Strauss etc.
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